‘Star Trek Into Darkness’: Benedict Cumberbatch Discusses Villain Reveal [Spoilers]

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The line between speculation and spoilers is becoming more and more of a delicate issue as each new major film release becomes unavoidably embedded in Internet and social media culture. Between message boards, Twitter, Facebook and the thousands of film blogs and news sites out there, you can guarantee that every fresh piece of information about a film like Star Trek Into Darkness will be spotted, parsed and speculated upon in great detail.

No facet of the film has been the cause of greater interest than the identity of the film’s primary antagonist, played by Benedict Cumberbatch and credited as John Harrison – a name that very few Star Trek fans took at face value. One of the reasons that Cumberbatch’s character came under so much scrutiny was that there was a very heavy shroud of secrecy surrounding him, even for a Bad Robot production – a veil actor Karl Urban (who plays Dr. Leonard “Bones” McCoy) has said was in aid of surprising and treating long-term Star Trek fans.

The mid-film revelation about Cumberbatch’s character is a slightly complex one, in that it only really qualifies as a revelation to audience members who are already Star Trek fans, or at least those who have seen The Wrath of Khan. If you don’t belong to either of those groups, you may find yourself wondering what the dramatic musical sting accompanying the words, “My name is Khan,” is all about.

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Speaking in an interview with the LA Times, Cumberbatch echoed Star Trek Into Darkness and Star Wars Episode VII producer Bryan Burk’s recent comments about the importance of keeping secrets.

“I think [being surprised by what's in a film is] a rare thing in our day and age where you have a super saturation of media over-publicizing every detail or spoilers in adverts or trailers. That’s what it should be about, going to the movies. It shouldn’t be about ticking off a list of, ‘Yeah, I heard that was going to happen.’”

Given the current challenges of keeping such a secret right up until a film’s release, the production and cast should be applauded for managing to do so. Last year, Simon Pegg stated flatly in an interview that Cumberbatch would not be playing Khan, calling the rumors surrounding this possibility a “myth.” It might even be said that casting the proverbially pale and mysterious Cumberbatch in the role of a character called Khan Noonien Singh was instrumental in keeping the name reveal a surprise.Though Khan’s status as one of the better-known Star Trek villains made him a frontrunner in the speculation surrounding Star Trek Into Darkness - along with other much-discussed candidates like Gary Mitchell and Robert April – it would have been near impossible to convince fans that the Star Trek Into Darkness villain wasn’t Khan, had an Indian actor been cast in the role.

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The revamped Star Trek movies may take place in the 23rd century (not to mention in an alternate timeline to the original series), but they are nonetheless designed to be connected to current society. Chris Pine (who plays the latest incarnation of Captain Kirk) has said that Cumberbatch’s character “is a terrorist in the mold of those we’ve become accustomed to in this day and age,” and the director and cast recently spent time with a contemporary astronaut living on the International Space Station, via a Google+ hangout. Cumberbatch also argues that, at its heart, the story of Star Trek Into Darkness has open appeal.

“‘Star Trek’ works in subtle ways. There’re such condensed, incredibly beautifully drawn characters that are very now even though it’s a future-scape with loads of rich imaginative detail for fans to obsess over. The actual core content of the story is universal in time and place.”

Even with all the spaceships and phasers, there is something about the Star Trek universe that makes it feel like it’s not all that far away from becoming a reality. The fact that both of the rebooted movies have spent a solid chunk of screen time on Earth before boldly heading out into space does add a certain anchor of reality to the stories. This is particularly true for London residents who saw Star Trek Into Darkness, since even amongst the futuristic skyscrapers shown in J.J. Abrams’ 23rd century vision of the city – which is the victim of a brutal bombing near the beginning of the film – there are a few pieces of “ancient” architecture like the Gherkin and St. Paul’s Cathedral, that bring the destruction uncomfortably close to home.

Were you surprised by John Harrison’s true-name reveal in Star Trek Into Darkness? Did you find the reversal of the Spock-Kirk death scene from The Wrath of Khan touching or cheesy? Share your thoughts on the film’s twists and references in the comments.

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Star Trek Into Darkness is out now in 2D, 3D, and 3D IMAX theaters. Check out the Screen Rant review, listen to our Star Trek Into Darkness podcast with screenwriter Roberto Orci, or talk about it in our spoilers discussions page.

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  1. ***SPOILER***

    I wasn’t surprised, Harrison being Khan made the most sense. I just didn’t choose to obsess over it like some people did. The whole Spock “Khaaaan!” thing was a bit forced, though. Other than that, it was a very good movie and felt completely separate from TWOK.

    • While I had the obligatory facepalm that he was indeed Khan, I was completely satisfied with the portrayal in what appears to be the accelerated timeline. “Space Seed” had technically already occurred, and it was Admiral Marcus who discovered them and not all of them were revived. This may also explain why Starfleet is so much more advanced now than the original timeline – Starfleet was already gleaning a lot of information from Khan for an undisclosed period of time.

      Lastly there was a forgivable glitch in the script, I think when Khan revealed that he was “more than 300 years old” placing him as being born before 1967 and contemporarily the Eugenics Wars did not occur in the 1990′s. I would have updated the timeline for the Eugenics Wars by 100 years (2090), and him being little more than 200 years old (2067) to be more plausible by current historical record.

      Back in 1966, Roddenbury saw Human Genetic Enhancement as a real possibility with the frightening prospect of a more Genetically Superior Human rising to take over by the end of the Century. That prospect remains in contemporary times, but we aren’t quite there yet thankfully, so updating the timeline would have been acceptable in order to make the new timeline more plausible.

      • The only problem is that everything that occurrd before that Romulan ship emerged from the singularity in the first film of the reboot occurred IS in the same universe as TOS, is considered canon in the new movies, and thus must share it’s history. Trust me, that bothered me too, but they just kind of ignored it. I guess it’s best to consider the Star Trek universe as existing in reality separate from our own (which shouldn’t be very hard). One that skewewred off into it’s own timeline after Khan was created and attempted his tyranny in the 90′s. Kind of like when Biff Tannin gave himself the sports almanac in Back to the Future II. Two separate realities.

        • Very true… They did stick with Canon which is why it was forgivable. Was talking to another friend about this scenario after making that posting, and he even added that since the Reboot established an Alternate Timeline, whose to say that contemporary history is not an alternate timeline of the original Star Trek and history was already changed? Its a matter of perspective. ;-)

          • Because the timeline didn’t skew off until the Romulans from the future came out of the black hole, which in terms of Earth’s history, happened right when Kirk was being born, which is still the 23rd Century. Everything occurring before that moment in time should share the same exact history (from that moment back to the beginning of time) as TOS.

  2. Including Khan was completely unnecessary.

    IMO I thought the movie, was far better when Peter Weller was the bad guy. The corruption of Starfleet was a far better tale, and would have served as a better relation to todays society, than throwing in Khan as a token.

    His character actually had a lot of depth to it, and would always fail when compared to Ricardo Montalban. The cheesy Khan remakes at the end, honestly almost ruined the movie for me, it all became very predictable, and I am tired of them exposing Spock’s human half at least twice a movie. It just has no shock factor anymore, the rare times Spock-Prime showed it, it had meaning. Also, the show isn’t about Kirk & Spock, its about Kirk, Spock & McCoy, Logic & Emotion if you will, guiding Kirk to make the right decision.

    • > IMO I thought the movie, was far better when Peter Weller was the bad
      > guy. The corruption of Starfleet was a far better tale, and would have
      > served as a better relation to todays society, than throwing in Khan as a
      > token.

      This. They should’ve followed the Section 31 angle (even though I’m not a fan of it, since it’s been done to death), instead of rehashing Khan.

      Another idea I wished they had pursued was Pike as Captain and Kirk as first officer. THAT would been so different from what we’ve seen before, and would fit this alternative universe well (due to Kirk’s youth and impetuous nature).

    • the problem with McCoy is that they felt Uhura should get his spot since she’s a race minority and a female character…I wouldn’t mind this if they had written her a better character than just a nagging girlfriend and if McCoy weren’t being performed by Karl Urban

  3. My favorite moment of the film is when he fights his way out of the Vulcan death grip, obviously causing him extreme pain to accomplish.

    • I agree! well and when Spock gives that emotional speech about compressing his feelings instead of not caring. It was beautiful

  4. At this point I would have been disappointed if he wasn’t Khan. (But we already had a film thus year where the villain wasn’t what we thought) I loved the movie. Best of the year so far. The story, pacing, action sequences, the acting and hands down the most immersive 3D experience in IMAX. Can’t wait for the third film !!

    • That was an awesome scene, cv.

  5. Loved it loved it loved it. I had a feeling he would be, but was very happy with the reveal and all of the ways they mirrored the original timeline. Cumberbatch IS Khan.

  6. I just want to say to all those people who thought I was ignorant for saying Harrison was Kahn months ago….

    NYAA NYYAAAA NYA NYAAA NYAAAAAAAAAAAA!

    :-)

  7. Wasn’t surprised that he was Khan. And yet was thoroughly delighted by the revelation. Great movie. Loved the Spock/Kirk radiation role reversal. Shows that both would have done the same for the other. Great bit of writing there. Every member of that cast was pitch perfect. And I can’t get over how great a job Karl Urban is doing at playing Bones.

    • I feel like Karl Urban is great in just about everything he’s in.

      • it’s a shame that at the moment it’s the Kirk/Spock show instead of the triumvirate.

        Bones is relegated to pointless metaphors, they have no banks cause they have no money so how does Bones know about them and the correct procedure to rob them

  8. Overall enjoyed the movie, but felt the use of Khan was a bit lazy and predictable

  9. The problem with the ‘my name is Kahn’ reveal is that if it’s only meant for star trek fans, the reveal comes far before Kahn mentions his name.

    It was fairly obvious from the very start, with the whole genetically modified blood, kicking butt and not getting hurt. But sealing the deal was the reveal of the cyro-tubes. So any Star Trek fan worth their salt, would have know this was Kahn far before the name was spoken.

    • @me

      Am I missing something? I thought his name was Khan?? o_O

    • Yeah totally. I had my suspicions (from before, but also with him easily doing away with all the Klingons), but as soon as he said he was genetically engineered, I was like “bam, it’s Khan!”

  10. he absolutely nailed this role i was very impressed. much like the joker in the dark knight (yea i went there) he stole the show!

    • Just think, if Cumberbatch had died before the film’s release he’d probably win an Oscar for his performance too! :D

      • @Cave

        And even if he was already half-way into filming another movie, they’ll say he was just so enthralled into his character that he killed himself. Instead of just admitting that he’s just another celebrity with a drug problem and OD’ed…

  11. It was all over the internet the day after the Sydney premier so no surprise.

    I loved the film but I think they could have worked around it being another character so from that perspective it was a disappointment.

    The vast majority of Star Trek fans did not want it to be Khan. No one else cared so I don’t see the reason to have gone with that character.

    I know less than 1% of trekkies would associate Khan as Kirk’s joker. A ridiculous association as Khan only ever appeared twice. Was mediocre in the first episode he appeared in but great as he was important to Kirk’s journey in The Wrath of Khan.

    The Klingons would be Kirks joker if there was such a comparison to be made.

    But the Kilingons have been flogged to death in past films. I hope the lesson learnt from the under performing box office of Into Darkness is not to go over stale storylines just because you think you can improve on them with bigger budget and more modern film making technique.

    Without copying The Voyage Home lets take a lesson that a good fun story with no real bad guy can pull in bigger dollars.

    Otherwise the expectation is that Star Trek is Enterprise meets bad guy, bad guy appears on screen. Shots fire, enterprise wins.

    I know it’s more than that but perception is reality.

    Abrams should create an open door for fans to submit story outlines as potential for the next installment. Set criteria for format and how many words maximum can be used.

  12. I loved him! He was my favorite part of the movie! I hope he comes back!

  13. And get that fricken 11 minutes they showed at Imax a few months back online so the fence sitters can watch it and get hooked.

    Get it on tv if they can.

  14. loved it he was one awesome villain.

  15. I had Khan’s identity spoiled for me by visiting Screen Rant. I’m so ticked at having that moment spoiled for me. I’m done with ScreenRant after this post. You spoiled too many movies, SR. Thanks for the memories.

    • I usually avoid ALL film posts/articles on ScreenRant usually a week or 2 weeks before the film I want to see actually opens.

      I’ve never known SR to post spoilers in their titles, so you must’ve got it from a post/article.

    • I also have become more careful on this site. But I’m staying for the good reviews. They have gotten better at putting up spoiler warnings.

    • I know how you feel. I hate it when I click a title that has spoilers and continue reading past the secondary “Major Spoilers” title and the paragraph saying there are spoilers, and find that there are spoilers. Screenrant really should warn people about potential major spoilers.

      • LOL @Jeff. Awesome comment, bud. Thanks. :-D

      • @Jeff

        Those bastards… *shakes fist in anger*

      • Haha, Jeff.

    • There’s a spoiler alert in the title of this post, in the description on the front page, and a final spoiler warning in red before the text begins. All of the articles published since the film’s villain was revealed (realistically, since the Sydney premiere) have spoiler warnings where appropriate. There’s no way you could have had the film spoiled by Screen Rant unless you ignored the warnings on articles.

      Sorry to hear you found out the reveal ahead of time anyway. That’s never fun.

      • @H. Shaw-Williams

        It’s unfortunate that he lost his ability to read all of the spoiler alert warnings, and then regained his ability to read at the part of the page with the actual spoiler… Oh well…

        • I’m trying to think of extra places to fit spoiler warnings in, to ensure that they’ll be seen if people miss the first three. Maybe in the margins?

          • Maybe surround the text with a border of flashing, blinking, bright colored words “SPOILER ALERT!!!”

            LOL, nah, I’m just kidding. You did all you were required to do to notify those of us who have yet to watch the movie to stop reading. He decided on his own to continue reading and now he’s moaning and complaining to you like it was your fault. No need to feel like you’re responsible for his own mistakes…

          • 1990s blinking text. I think that’ll do it!

          • One of those neon “live nude” signs but instead say major spoilers? I didn’t even read an article that remotely said “Star Trek” in it just so I could stay away. Thankfully there was no disrespect in the Open Discussions!

      • @ H. Shaw-Williams

        One area of improvement regarding spoilers is the deletion of the troll post on a non spoiler thread

        The ending of Trek (Kirk’s revival) was spoiled on a previous non spoiler Into Darkness thread.

        Now obviously that would require more moderation and time and i’m not aware if this is a fan site or a commercially run site so the logistics of that might not be possible.

        On the whole I think spoiler protection here on SR is pretty good… also helps that personally I couldn’t careless about spoilers.

        • Is the comment still around? I know that posts containing the word “Khan” are on automod but an ending reveal might have been missed. If it’s not been deleted already, send me a link and I’ll pass it on to be moderated.

  16. I think that it was a mixed bag. It was great the way they introduced Khan as a terrorist and gave him a bit of a sympathetic back story that made one see his point of view. If the goal was to introduce him for future confrontations with Kirk and Co…then it was good job. (especially since they curiously put him back in cryo-freeze as opposed to putting him in a jail cell.

    The movie did a poor job in trying to recreate the iconic moments of the previous Star Trek the Wrath of Khan. Spock yelling Khan, and Kirk dying in the radiation chamber was done poorly and was forced. Given that Khan appeared in two episodes of Star Trek it would have been fine to ONLY introduce him in this movie and use him in a more dramatic way later. Peter Weller’s Admiral Marcus created enough drama and antagonism that did not require the shoehorned confrontation with Khan.

  17. The “Vulcan Death Grip” does not actually exist. It was used in the TOS episode “The Enterprise Incident” by Spock when he was trying to make the Romulans think he killed Kirk in self-defense. Spock was trying to nerve-pinch Khan and Khan somehow realized what Spock was trying to do and squirm his way out of it. I hated the whole final half-hour or so of this flick specifically because they retreaded the entire ending of Wrath of Khan without recognizing that the reason that ending worked in 1982 is because nobody considered the possibility that the major Trek characters could be killed off, as well as the fact that Trekkers had invested 20 years of passion in those characters. These characters may have the same names, but given that their backgrounds are completely different they are essentially all-new, and Trek Nation hasn’t had any time to take them to heart the way they had Shatner/Nimoy/Kelley/Nichols/Takei/etc. The whole emotional resonance that scene was supposed to generate fell completely flat with me. I really wish they had either used another canon character or moved on to a brand new villain, because using Khan became an obvious crutch for the screenwriters.

    • You are right about ONE thing…the Vulcan Death Grip dies not exist…it’s actually referred o as the Vulcan Nerve Pinch. And, before ou can retort…it too, does not exist because Vulcans are not real. DOH!

  18. Even those in the movie he said he was Khan. He still wasn’t Khan. They did a poor job, bringing back his personality to life. It was teased in the beginning but never showed after. We never truly witness Khan “magnetic” personality. The personality he was known for in the Original Series.

    Also, never has Kirk been manipulated by Khan. Khan even respected Kirk for that. That was a huge theme in the “Space Seed” episode. That never happened in this movie.

    Then they get a white guy to play Khan, that’s messed up!

    Khan for this movie was a major disappointment. They’re so main other antagonists they could of chose from, Khan felt forced.

    I would have rather saw a Tribble or Mudd movie.

  19. The core theme of “Into Darkness” can be summed up in a single word: family. This demonstrated in the previews, when Khan asked Kirk, “What wouldn’t you do for your family?” It’s further demonstrated in the actions of the Star Fleet officer who sets off the bomb in exchange for Khan saving his child’s life. Pike treats Kirk as a father might treat a son. Then you have the extended family of Kirk and his crew, shown when Kirk breaks the prime directive to save Spock along with McCoy’s obligatory, “We’re rescuing you!” Khan’s family is the 72 others like him. Carol Marcus risks her life to bring her father to his senses. Kirk risks his life and dies to save his crew (not just Spock). It’s everywhere you turn. It was also nice to know the Enterprise had already encountered Harry Mudd, as well. Of course there were flaws, but overall, it accomplished its goal.

    • Well said. A strong theme to be sure.

  20. I don’t consider myself a fan of Star Trek by any measure. I recall watching somewhat regularly The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Enterprise (for a bit.) but never really paid much attention to the overall story and mythos. Having said that…even I knew it was Khan…and I’ve never seen the Wrath of Khan. Didn’t know the first thing about him.

    The thing is for all those people that “Khan” actually means something to, they already knew it was him. Everyone else will probably go “um…ok…so now you’re this guy named Khan”. We’ve never heard of the Eugenics wars before this, no real mention of Star Fleet as a military presence…the big surprise just doesn’t pay off.

    *** Spoilers Below ***

    If it were me I’d had played up the Klingons (Why are they orcs now?) more in the marketing as the terrorists. What if instead of being seen at the London bombing (and prior at the hospital), we just get a shadowed figure with Klingon tech. They follow the terrorist to Klingon planet, where boom it turns out to not be a Klingon all along and once they get him back to the ship they tell Star Fleet they’ve captured someone they believe to be the terrorist. Send them some info on him…which alerts the Admiral to come, once he’s there and threatening them Khan reveals who he is, torpedos blah blah blah…so on and so forth. All the other points of the story still work from there on.

    But I’m not JJ…and I actually did enjoy the movie.

  21. I am a lifelong Star Trek fan who started watching TOS in syndicated rerun in the mid-70′s. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is my favorite Star Trek movie by far and it is in my list of the Top 10 films of all-time. So I was a bit concerned when I read the rumors on the Internet that Cumberbatch was going to reprise this iconic Science Fiction role in Star Trek: Into Darkness. I felt that JJ & company needed to do something different since they had created an alternate timeline with the first movie. I think the writing team had given lots of thought of parallel universes and how certain points and people are fixed in time in all possible universes. The work they did on Fringe pushed them to do several seasons worth of story about an alternate universe. Peter was their fixed person in the Fringe universe who impacted both realities. The writers looked at Khan the same way. I had to think about the plot threads of terrorism, betrayal, security, revenge, optimism, family and trust that were weaved through Into Darkness after seeing it Wednesday night. I then read the novelization and the prequel graphic novel to gain a better perspective before I went and watched the movie again Sunday. I concluded that the nuVerse story worked just fine.

    The main themes hit by this story are many such as Kirk being too young, impetuous, inexperienced, undisciplined, egotistical, etc., to command a starship effectively; Spock still suffering emotionally from the traumatic loss of his home-world and his mother while trying to connect with his erratic, emotional, impulsive Captain; Starfleet Command reacting badly to the devastating terror attack by Nero against Vulcan and Starfleet in the previous film causing Starfleet Command to turn to extraordinary extra-legal actions to bring security to the Federation despite undermining the very freedoms and ethics espoused by the Federation (Section 31); Scotty being the one crew member (besides Spock) willing to take a moral stand with Kirk over crossing the line of legality and ethics while Kirk & Starfleet are preoccupied with revenge against Khan.

    So to me this wasn’t a rehash of Wrath of Khan because that story was about coming to terms with growing older and feeling that life had passed you by. Kirk’s past comes back to haunt him and the Enterprise and Kirk finally had to face his own Kobyashi Maru test with Spock’s sacrifice. Khan was motivated by his need for vengeance against Kirk over the loss of his wife and being left marooned on a doomed planet. This too was an issue from Khan’s past he could not let go and it was his undoing. ST:ID is about surviving the vicissitudes of youth and learning from your mistakes to mature into a better sentient being connected to your friends and society. Kirk had Pike to place his faith and trust in him even when Kirk had royally screwed up from the hubris of flagrantly violating the Prime Directive on Nibiru even as Kirk failed to recognize this error. It took Pike’s death and the pursuit of Khan to bring Kirk to the realization that he had to change his worldview and behavior.

    Spock was struggling with his inner demons over the loss of Vulcan and his mother. He also made a personal journey of self-discovery in ST:ID especially after Kirk sacrificed himself to save the ship. Spock is filled with rage and pursues Khan with a fury never seen before. He helps save his friend Jim Kirk and he can now acknowledge this friendship and let it evolve.

    Starfleet Command reacted like the US did after 9/11. They undermined their own principles in the name of imagined security. Admiral Marcus had sent out ships looking for resources to help Starfleet defend the Federation and they found the Botany Bay. Admiral Marcus thought he could exploit Khan’s genetically engineered superior intellect and his capacity for violence to give the clandestine Section 31 (think CIA/Homeland Security/Special Forces) an advantage in building a capacity to take on the biggest perceived threat to the Federation for Admiral Marcus… the Klingon Empire. Thus you get the top-secret special prototype photon torpedoes and the built for combat USS Vengeance along with who knows what else that didn’t get mentioned. You get incidents manipulated to provoke a state of war with the Klingons. Then instead of putting Khan on trail he gets refrozen & the Augments go into the Starfleet Storage Bin which means they will be used in the future. All justified in the name of Federation security.

    Scotty was just awesome in this story. He was a moral compass while getting in on the action with the sabotage of the USS Vengeance. He also got some more great comedic scenes and lines. I was a bit disappointed that Bones didn’t get more involved in this story but since it involved more technological issues I can see why Scotty was used rather than McCoy. Bones still got in some great metaphors and scenes and you know he can deliver Gorn babies in a crisis situation. Sulu gets a taste of the command chair and Checkov gets to flex his savant genius abilities as Scotty’s replacement (temporarily) as Chief Engineer. Uhura has some issues with Spock, talks up some Klingons, battles some Klingons & makes some tough long distance calls. Getting a young Carol Marcus was cool and they didn’t force her to be romantically involved with Kirk, She gets to join the crew and maybe they will hook up in the next installment. The Big E gets a refit to repair her battle damage and the crew of the USS Enterprise embark on the start of what should be an eventful, glorious and historic Five-Year Mission to Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before.

    My biggest issue was with how long it took to warp to Kronos and then back to Earth. Unless warp speed had improved by a factor of 100 over the old Star Trek this was a plot device that was just way out of step with the rest of the movie. So other than that I am cool with the rest of the film elements as they were explained by the prequel graphic novel and in the novelization book for the film. I look forward to Star Trek 3 to come out in May of 2016 to be a part of the celebration of the 50th Anniversary of Star Trek!!!

    • Nuff Said really.

      Well reasoned assessment, tip of the hat to you sir….

  22. After watching Iron Man 3 and the twist with it, I wasn’t surprised that BC played Khan. When BC first appeared onscreen I wanted to yell out ‘Khaaaaan’ but refrained. Later I deduced that BC was Khan. Spock’s ‘Khan’ was a bit over done.When Kirk died instead of Spock a la ST3, I thought of man please don’t do ‘Star Trek3:Search for Kirk’. Peter Weller would have been a great villain w/o Khan.

  23. We all knew it would be Khan, at least we hoped for it, kinda.

    Seeing how all turned out, I am afraid it was a little too much fan-service in the 3rd act of the movie. they´ve ruined a very ntense moment,, with Spock calling out for “Khan”. There was no need to remake that scene but with roles changed.

    And another thing.. [Really heavy Spoiler!] Why would McCoy need Khans blood, if he had 72 frozen friends of Khan lying right next to him, that would do just the same mircale of getting Kirk back to live? That was the first thing that came to mind, when I saw where they were going with reviving Kirk.

    • LOL I was thinking the same thing. I was like, dude you have 72 to other folks with the same blood right around the corner.

    • I thought the same thing about needing more of Khans blood, there was torpedo pods full of it!

    • @silentmike

      While it’s a logical deduction that the others will have the same qualities as Khan, McCoy is a scientist, and he can’t put the life of Kirk on what is basically a hunch. He already knows Khan’s blood will do that. Also, I don’t know anything specific about the cryogenics in the movie, but there’s always the issue that being frozen for so long that the bodies themselves might need their own healing after being “thawed.” So perhaps that blood would not have been as effective as one belonging to a living breathing individual whose blood has been actively renewing itself…

      • Dammit, he’s a doctor, not a scientist! My mistake, lol.

      • Good points!

  24. I enjoyed the film, and I didn’t mind BC as Khan, but I would’ve had the villain be one of the other frozen augments, someone who views Khan as a father figure.

  25. I was surprised about Khan because I initentionally didn’t read any articles or interviews leading up to this weekend. I didn’t even watch the trailer! I loved it!

    • @Debbie

      That’s a good thing to do for major movies like this. But I’m just too curious. There’s no way I will not watch a trailer the day it is released, lol.

  26. The moment I saw the frozen people in the torpedoes I began to think Botany Bay and when it was revealed they were over 200 years old I knew Cumberbatch was Kahn.

    In fact, the night before watching STID I watched “Space Seed” because it was, coincidentally, the very next episode in my Netflix queue and I thought, “I wonder if Cumberbatch is Kahn?”

  27. I liked this movie more than “Iron Man 3.” The twist in that movie ruined it for me among other things.

    That said, I thought the recreation of the Kirk/Spock death scene was forced and predictable, making it cheesy.

    I have this overall vibe that this entire movie was a set up for the third movie. I don’t say that simply b/c they closed the movie with a Khan and his 72 super-soldiers on ice. That much is obvious that Khan will be back. In this new Trek universe, Kirk didn’t deal with Khan 15 years earlier. They had no history…they had no reason for Kirk & Khan to be archenemies. Peter Weller’s character as a villain almost felt like a filler…a plot point to move the film along as Khan was introduced. I’d say the REAL “Wrath of Khan” remake is up next now that there is a reason for BC’s wrath…in this universe, at least…not just based on Spock-Prime’s warning. (I am NOT a fan of Leonard Nimoy being in these movies.)

  28. I feel like the twist was kind of a double edge sword in terms of it’s effectiveness. Everyone familiar with Khan had at some point speculated or even assumed that that is who Cumberbach would be playing, and for those who hadn’t heard of him, it was just lost on. Kind of a similar situation to Talia al Ghul’s revelation in The Dark Knight Rises.

  29. Couldn’t bone’s have just used the frozen guy’s blood??

    They said it was dangerous to wake em without the sequence but still. Right?

    Loved the movie. Spock snapping Khans arm like a toothpick was awesome. That whole race vs race fight was actually just super smart. It was a satisfying F*** You to Khan basically mocking Spock for being inferior… before the having his ship blow up. So two F-U’s actually haha.

    SPORK!!

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