Battlestar Galactica Finale Review

Published 6 years ago by , Updated April 1st, 2009 at 7:10 am,

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The short non-spoiler take: Holy crap! My take on the Battlestar Galactica series finale was that it was 99% incredibly satisfying and delivered beyond what I was hoping for. In the end, it seems destiny will be what it will be, much like fighting gravity.

The finale was heart pounding. I did not need coffee to stay up for this one. The advertising for this final episode spouted endlessly that we will know the truth. Indeed. The ending was satisfying, sad, fulfilling and the truth of it all confused me.

Sure, there were a few loopholes or discontinuities but I chose to focus on where they were going, not what they were missing or glazing over. They had to get somewhere without being so verbose that it distracted from the end game.

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I sat down and committed my household to Battlestar Galactica (BSG) all night long. I started focusing on it during the replay of the special from Monday evening when Ronald D. Moore quipped about the phrase on how it “all happened before and it will all happen again” came about from a scene he saw in Peter Pan where they said that.

I don’t remember anyone in BSG thinking happy thoughts, or flying… except out of airlocks!

A Nagging Theme Or Two

The one theme that has been present since the very first episode was No 6 in Baltar’s head telling him “Trust in God’s plan for you.” This was presented to us time and time again throughout the 4 (or was it 6?) seasons!

The other nagging theme that always lurked below the surface of my tortured mind was a point made midway through the series, and that was the ability that Cylons had to project themselves into fantasy worlds that they build in their heads.

Why? Because of the visions that some of the humans had throughout the show. Baltar with his hot No. 6, in his head. Lucky Bastard. But there were the shared visions between Baltar, Caprica, Hera, Athena and Laura had of the opera house. That always had me suspicious, period.

And Starbuck? She didn’t have visions. But her artistic tendencies to draw symbols from mankind’s destiny and being called the harbinger of death kind of makes you wonder about her. Then coming back from death but not being a Cylon? WTH was that? But more on all this later. Or will there be? Maybe I’ll just stop typing… and call it God’s plan.

The Finale Delivers In Bucket Loads

Watching scenes of our favored characters in Caprica city, “Before the Fall” really drove home their lives as they were developing before it all happened. The back story was great to see. Pondering the label, “Before the Fall“: I have to look back and wonder, was that past tense, or future tense, since this all going to happen again?

Watching the preparations on the Galactica to head off to get Hera back hit home with some good emotional anchors:

  • Adama turning over command of the fleet,
  • Anders tank being hooked up into the CiC.*
  • Lee Adama making Romo Lampkin President, in his absence.
  • Or the surreal scene of a squad of Centurions in the flight deck, preparing for battle.

*Tigh telling Adama it wasn’t too late to shove all the Cylons in the CiC out the airlock and Adama saying it would take too much time. – was frakking hilarious and poignant to me. The Cylon TIgh, looking to jettison Cylons, staying true to the humanity, the commander and the ship he grew to love.

Action Stations

When the Galactica jumped in on top of this freaky new looking Cylon ship that reminded me a bit of the Shadow ships from Babylon 5, the ensuing firefight left me wondering if the Galactica would survive.

Then the Galactica ramming into the hull of Cavil’s ship, making their own airlock with the ship and ground teams dispersing into the Cylon ship, looking for Hera. Now that’s how you make an entrance!

Watching new and old style Centurions in battle was surreal. Even if the CGI seemed a little bit funny with the old Centurions. Did you notice that?

A Momentary Truce

The humans get Hera, but Cavil snags her back. Finally, Gaius, for all his chitter chatter, finally hits his stride and serves his purpose in this entire mythos as he talks Cavil into a truce.

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It’s here that Gaius says that he tells Cavil that he sees angels (The In-the-head Caprica and Gaius) and that there are other forces at work via puzzles deciphered in prophecy, by dreams given to a chosen few.

I was on edge waiting for that other shoe to drop from Cavil’s side, and boy, did it. Tyrol interrupts a data stream when he discovers that Tory was who killed Cally and in his rage, Tyrol kills Tory, which ends the cease-fire everyone had. So much for peace.

Destiny Takes Its Path

Chaos ensued and Adama yells at Starbuck to jump them out of there but she has no coordinates. Instead she inputs the numbers that she’s associated with the song that Hera drew out and gave her.

Plop. Kara’s coordinates put them right on top of the moon, our moon, with our Earth in sight. I actually never expected to see this. Despite being teased us at times when we could see constellations in the background we recognize, like Orion, but I just thought they were messing with my mind. (It’s not that hard sometimes!)

After scoping out the planet and its spear carrying human species, they decide to stay and blend in. But how they do it confused me. Or more in-line with the show, took a leap of faith to follow their actions.

What’s left of humanity shuns technology and blends with the natives… our ancestors.

Adama makes the decision to have Anders drive the ships of the fleet and all its technology into the Sun, and live out their years with the natives, without their technology. Technology has been their curse. They’re done with it. No one seems to argue.

William Adama tells Laura that he calls this Earth because Earth is a dream they’ve been chasing for a long time.

Tough And Touching Moments

Starbuck saying goodbye to Anders in his tank, who pulls through his Cylon induced fog to tell her that he’ll see her on the other side. Eh?

Watching William Adama being the last person to leave the Galactica in his old Viper, looking over the fleet one last time.

Watching William Adama bid farewell to Lee and flies off into the distance with Laura in the Raptor with him, who dies in-flight. Bill builds a little home and talks to her grave, updating her on what’s up.

Not a surprise, Tyrol has had it with people and goes off to his own island.

Gaius and Caprica together with no trauma going on in the background finally. For possibly for the first time, Gaius can have a grieving moment for his father. They then head off to do what Gaius knows… farming.

My “What the Frak” Moment

Lee and Kara are talking about what they’re going to do, now that everyone is off doing what they’re gonna do. Kara says that she is leaving. She’s done here and has completed her journey and just vanishes in mid conversation. That’s it.

Backtrack: Remember when Baltar announced to the assembled crowd that his study of Kara’s blood proved that Kara was 100% human? If you paid attention, Gaius said that the blood on the pendant that came from the corpse is 100% human. I got caught up with everything the first time and missed that. I thought he was proving Kara was human, but I noticed this the 2nd time through, he proved the dead pilot back on the burnt out Earth was human.

The Future Happens Anyway

150,000 years into the future, we see downtown New York. We learn that humanity has discovered the mitochondrial Eve, the woman to whom all of humanity can be traced to. Hera. We also see humanity starting to build bipedal robots and what not… here we go again!

The Big Reveal

Looking over Ronald D. Moore’s shoulder in his cameo appearance in one of the final scenes, stands the in-their-heads versions of Gaius and Caprica. WTF? They make note of the fact that Eve was discovered in Tanzania and how Eve was found alongside her Human and Cylon parents.

Caprica said something about how even though it happened before, that mathematically speaking, there’s a chance it won’t happen again. Then they mention god, and Gaius reminds her that he doesn’t like being called that. Eh? The Matrix?

I got confused here. Is society pretty much Cylon at this point? Are these two really angels, or Cylons? Has this just been a big master plan, a tale from god that we’ve watched all along? Are we being being set up for a sequel in case they decide to go with that?

My Take

The finale was a big payoff.

I really enjoyed just about every single second of it. There was tons of satisfying action. That final jump by the Galactica was way awesome! As it popped out of FTL flight near Earth, it flexed, wobbled and rippled – pieces and parts being flung off in the aftermath. I thought it was going to end right there.

Yet once everyone is on the planet, everyone seemed agreeable to give up technology for spears. I get it… yet really, would you? NO! I want my microwave and cell phone and laptop damnit. Hmm… that would mean building the internet all over again.

It was a very fairy tale ending in this rag tag fleet of humans just seeming to go along with this decision, so I had a little bit of a problem with this. Yet, like I said at the front of this article, suspending disbelief to allow for the story to be moved along.

What in blue blazes was Kara Thrace? A ghost that EVERYONE saw? Another angel? An ascended being from Stargate. (She’s in a lot of trouble if that’s the case)

Was Kara something that everyone wanted, or needed to see? It’s been said that Moore said she can be whatever we wanted her to be. That feels like a cop out. Why, after delivering so many answers, do we get this grey answer to one of the biggest developments in the mythos? I’d like to have had Kara explained. Plain and simple. Especially since everyone saw and interacted with her. Especially since she had a life she lived which fed to this point in time.

As far as we can tell, even she didn’t know until that very last moment. Come on, Moore. I would have liked you do give more than this to us.


So if we go back to literally day one of this whole thing, angels have been guiding Gaius and later, Caprica on their paths? Has this really been their story all along? Have the humans been nothing but pawns in this entire series?

If so, the sufferance of humanity seems cheapened by this new wrinkle. Well, at least it didn’t end on a Holodeck, but it sure felt close to that.

I’m not unhappy

The entire series broached a whole new kind of entertainment. The kind that deals with our fears and hopes and realities of what is and what could be. It dealt with how we do have control of our destiny. But we can only control our destinies just so far until they intertwine with others. Then the group destiny that we become a part of, no matter what else we do is what dictates our end game. That’s what I took away from the series.

Now we have to watch this whole series all over again, and watch it from the angels point of view as they guide our hapless characters along their sordid way.

The Sad

But for now, there will be no more new episodes. Sure, we’ll have a few movies that take place during the series time frame. Sure, we’ll have the prequel, Caprica. But the end of the show has been laid before us. Battlestar Galactica, the journey, has found its goal.

It’s time to say farewell to the journeys of William Adama, Laura Roslin, Kara Thrace, Lee Adama, Gaius Baltar, Saul Tigh, Doc Cottle, Helo Agathon, Galen Tyrol, Ellen Tigh, Felix Gaeta, Sharon Valerii, Caprica Six, Tom Zarek, Romo Lampkin, Cavil, Sam Anders and the coolest, new Centurions.

My Question To You

For you, what character really made the show. What event really hit home in the series that resonated with you?

Update: 3/29/09:  I’ve added some perspectives on some of Moore’s approach to the Battlestar Galactica series in a new article we’ve published.

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  1. Alright apparently my reply to yours was a little too harsh, so let me try and tone it down some.

  2. Alright, I’m either banned from posting anything longer than a few sentences or they filtered out some of the words I used, even though I took out most of the hot words…

  3. @Ian

    Off the bat, I thought it was cute that you’d pick the number 12, when you try so hard to remove religion from a religious show.

    I mean…humans have always ‘chosen’ quantity of life over quality of life? There’s no choice in it, it’s life. You can’t maintain that a person is gonna be comfortable and safe for their 70 years of life, but you can maintain that more times than not, if a man and a woman get together, life Will happen.

    It’s actually INhuman to choose quality of life over quantity of life. That’s why there were billions of people on the 12 colonies. The last time I remember humans choosing quality of life over quantity of life was the Germans, 70 years ago. and they were just trying to find the super-man.

  4. And No, you’re ending doesn’t address technology outpacing humanity, because the real ending offers a solution, while yours fully embraces the terror of it.

    I guess at the end of Season 2, when the Six inside of Gaius’ head told him that she was an angel, you decided the show sucked and that was the end of it, to the point of rewriting it until the end so that all religion could be removed from the equation.

    Oh yea and on my misinterpretation of Cavil’s suicide. I’ll remember next time to not try and read into something that made the finished cut and actually aired, because odds are i’ll be “Absolutely Incorrect,” because of an interview I didn’t read saying ‘we had a different idea in mind.’ I’m sorry that I interpret the finished product and somehow changes from that aren’t supposed to have any meaning (voluntary or otherwise).

    But on that last note of not struggling for the show. Sincerely, you couldn’t be talking to the wrong person about the strike. It took 2 days after it started for me to start the organization towards ending the strike at my college. We moved 1000 wristbands, petitioned hard and even picketed outside NBC’s 30 Rock (which owns SciFi).

    The amount of people I managed to turn onto Battlestar who normally wouldn’t kinda got me pretty invested into it (we got dorms to start showing it as well as other shows that face cancelling twice a week). Battlestar came through in a big way especially since even the school had our back seeing as the show’s religious and the university is religious. If that didn’t move boxsets, I’m not sure what else we could do.

    I’m not saying religion is the only point of the show, you just seem bent on throwing out the baby with the bathwater, because apparently religioius and emotionally or socially optimistic mean the exact same thing since that’s what you want to throw out from the show.

    I think I’m done apologizing for you. You’re not a fan, you’re just a fairweather complainer.

  5. Oh, and on the topic of ratings, BSG’s ratings dropped off rapidly after Season 2.5, which is when things started taking a turn for the worse, so clearly many people also felt that seasons 3 & 4 were off-track. (Haven’t got a clue who James Hibberd is, btw)

    From Sci-Fi:

    “SciFi ordered up a special overnight for the finale of Battlestar Galactica and James Hibberd says the two hour and eleven minute finale averaged 2.4 million viewers and was the most watched episode since its season 2.5 premiere.”

  6. Wow, the series really got us feeling, thinking, discussing…
    Mission accomplished :-)

  7. @ian

    If you can’t even bring yourself to use the word “god” (notice the “little g”) and instead use snarky terms like “magic man” I’ll continue to block your comments.

    My site, my rules.

    Have a nice day.


  8. Vic: Fine… I replaced “magic man” with “magical intervention”:

    Paterick – Still not getting it, I see. I do find it interesting, though, that I’ve managed to keep you discussing MY ending far more than you’ve discussed the aired ending… I guess you find mine more compelling even if you don’t like it. :)

    Let’s address your misunderstandings one at a time:

    The number 12 is not a religious number; numbers are not religious. 12 is simply a number belonging to the set of integers that falls between 11 and 13. My choice of the number 12, as I have already explained, was simply because the number appears so often in the BSG universe; yes, that may be as a result of Moore being religious, but the number is not, in and of itself, a religious number even in the context of the show. I’ve already said that you can consider me to have chosen 17 if it makes you happier.

    On the topic of quantity of life over quality… of course there’s a choice. People who are seriously ill or incapacitated occasionally choose to end their lives rather than suffer a life they don’t feel they can accept. That’s a clear choice of quality over quantity. It’s one of the most HUMANE choices a person can make. Why should someone be forced to suffer through a lifetime of paralysis or disfigurement when it’s not their choice?

    Don’t bring the Nazis into this; that’s such a cop-out argument and has no relevance, whatsoever, to this discussion. The Eugenics programmes of the Nazis had nothing to do with quality of life… they were about genetic purity and came about as a result of an obsession on the part of Himmler who, as a chicken farmer before the war had tried to create genetically pure and perfectly white chickens. He tried applying the same theories to humans in order to gain a NORDIC ARYAN looking people, *NOT* as is commonly believed, to create a race of supermen; if you can’t see the distinction, then there’s something seriously wrong with you.

    On your second point where you horribly misconstrue my proposed ending… allow me to explain:

    Humanity, without intervention of ***magic***, would have been wiped out. That much is clear in the ending that aired. My ending proposes that instead of being absolutely 100% exterminated, a few (17… because you don’t like 12) were saved by the Final Five (four, really, since Anders wasn’t particularly mobile). Thus the current cycle ends and the Cylons who attacked the 12 colonies go about the business of survival by building up the worlds they have gained as a result of exterminating humanity. They struggle to rebuild what are now their worlds, their numbers diminish through sickness and accident, but they manage to make it through and, eventually, as happened in the show, they manage to reproduce naturally. Minor genetic variations resulting from long-term radiation exposure lead to just enough genetic diversity that, in time, they become a thriving, diverse society.

    But what of the 17 humans who managed to survive… their existence is also grim. Their numbers are too small to ensure the survival of the species through normal reproduction and they have nowhere to live but aboard a ship of some sort (Cylon, human, doesn’t really matter), havig lost their worlds to the Cylons. The Final Five (Four), determined that humanity should survive, help them by giving them cloning technology (just as they had previously given the Cylons resurrection technology).

    Now, the roles are reversed, what does humanity do? Do they return to the colonies and try to take them back? Do they accept their fate and remain in space? Do they broker a deal leading to cooperation with the Cylons? Lots of questions… I just happened to pick one of them when I first presented this ending.

    Here are the points you missed:

    * Survival is a STRUGGLE for both the Cylons and the humans.

    * Both HOPE for something better than their current lot.

    * For the Cylons, natural reproduction is, in essence, their gaining a semblance of humanity. How far will that take them? Will THEY repeat the cycle or avoid it?

    * For the humans, life has gone from easy to hard. What they took for granted has been lost to them. Having relied on technology to save them from extinction, will they now try to reclaim their humanity through force or by breaking the cycle, approaching the Cylons, and treating them with respect as living beings that are their equal?

    These are FAR more interesting questions than the ending of the show, as aired, which was COMPLETELY HOPELESS and made the following points:

    * The struggle of humanity was irrelevant; the Cylons had beaten us and humanity WOULD HAVE BEEN WIPED OUT. That is absolutely NOT in question. Had it not been for MAGIC, humanity would have been completely destroyed no matter what they did. You missed the point that technology HAD outpaced humanity and YES, that was meant to be absolutely terrifying.

    On the topic of Cavil’s suicide; it wasn’t MY words that called the ending a bad edit – Ronald Moore said that the ending was unclear as a result of the editing process and suggested this would be fixed in the DVD release. In short, what was on-screen was NOT what was intended by Moore and he intends to rectify that.

    As for whether or not I like the show; I loved the show… Season 1 & 2 were fantastic. From the point of New Caprica on, it was simply mediocre (though not without several true moments of brilliance, to be sure). I actually hadn’t given a second thought to Caprica’s comment about being an angel. I didn’t, for a second, believe that it was a literal statement.

    Your actions re: the writer’s strike and getting people to watch are the actions of a fan of the show, not any form of struggle… stop being so dramatic!

    Here’s the gist of things, though…

    Hope is struggling and fighting because you know there is something better if only you can push through. Sitting around waiting for magical intervention is about as hopeless an existence as I can imagine. It makes the struggle meaningless, the victory cheap, and THAT is why the ending of BSG failed miserably.

  9. LOL, you know, even though I disagree you I’m letting you slide because you do have something intelligent to say.

    It would just be nice if you could find it within yourself to be a bit more respectful. Especially since you know, you’re wrong. :-P


  10. Vic – Fine, I can live with that. I’ll stop calling your god a “magic man”; you okay with me using “god” (including quotes)? :)

    BTW, what do you feel I’m wrong about?

  11. Your views on “god.” :-)


  12. This isn’t meant to be disrespectful, so bear in mind it’s just text without the ability to necessarily express sincerity:

    Which god? There are many to choose from; the one you believe in is only one of thousands and isn’t even the one most people on this planet, who do believe in a god, believe in.

    Even among those who do believe in the same god as you, there is wild diversity in exactly what that god is or wants from humanity.

    In the face of such uncertainty, how can any view be deemed right or wrong?

    Prove any god exists beyond mythology and I’ll re-evaluate. :)

  13. Ian,

    No problem, bud. But you’ll pardon me if I don’t choose this as a place to get into a debate on this, which would most likely be futile in any case.

    Best regards,


  14. I was satisfied with the finale. It gave all the viewers a lot to think about.
    I also like how some answers were explained and how some were left in the air.
    Since when there has to be an explanation to every question out there?
    There is a sense of mystery to those unsolved questions and that was done beutifully. Life’s questions are full of mystery and wonder.
    Most people whined about those uncleared anwers that were given. Some answers can’t be phatom by mere mortals let a lone Sci-fi, come on people you didn’t get the picture as a whole and for crying out loud, you’re knit picking everything too much.
    Stop over analyzing everything and just enjoy the ending to a wonderful series.
    Mysteries don’t all have to be solved or explained, it just is what it is.
    Why was it so hard to believe that there are greater forces out there and they are connected with the rest of the universe in some way.
    I think that a lot of you wanted everyone to have a happy ending, the reality is that although we wish for everyone to have this ideal happy ending, not everyone gets to actually have a “happy” ending but an “ending” of some kind. I think it was well put together for the ending that BSG deserved.
    Not everyone gets these happy ending but knowing that they have done their part and completed their journey is more satisfying and rewarding to the individual than a “happy” ending.

  15. @Ella – The point to TV, particularly sci-fi, is to make the viewer question. The best TV shows are not the ones where the viewer is entirely passive but where questions and discussion are provoked.

    As for mysteries… yes, they do have to be explained; why let them sit unanswered? Because man wants to know what is over the mountain or on the other side of the river or over the sea is a major driving force behind humanity. A large part of our existence is about driving toward understanding what we don’t yet comprehend.

    Like you, I don’t like happy endings for the sake of happy endings. I prefer a realistic (happy or unhappy) ending that provokes thought, but more than that, I prefer a _meaningful_ ending where the primary motivations that drove the story along are not discarded or rendered meaningless by an external force.

    The ending to BSG was, to my mind as bad as the Shadow War in B5 where, after 3 seasons of humans being drawn to the point of total annihilation between the shadows and vorlons, it all ended with Sheridan screaming for them to, “get the hell out of our galaxy”

    Or, from DS9, where an entire season was built up to suggest that the Federation was going to fall to vastly superior forces, with zero chance of survival, only to have those forces wink out of existence as they started to emerge from th wormhole, all because some ethereal force decided to wipe them out.

    Or, as in BSG where, after a monumental struggle to survive and extinction is absolutely guaranteed, magic suddenly appears in a world and makes all the problems go away.

    All three are weak endings that betrayed the story that came before.

  16. ELLA:

    A well said, concise and to the point comment.


  17. Well, this is one way to start a day.


    …A panda cub sneezing is compelling. So are car crashes and unexpected odors. That’s how compelling your ending is. I was just tryin to figure out what expired in your fridge. But…

    ELLA changed my mind and made a really great point, so I’m gonna just spray some Lysol on this and walk away from it.

    Personally, I wanna say the number 12 is pretty important considering Ron Moore says it in interviews all the way back that it’s religious and important to the show. You’re trying to say it means nothing and isn’t important, just something you saw in the show that don’t matter. “… so your interpretation is absolutely incorrect, according to Moore” –Ian’s old logic

    Sounds like somebody tryin to eat their cake and have it too.

    Make up your mind, whether you’re talking about people on a macro or micro scale. Nazis were an appropriate, relevant argument, when you’re talking about the whole human race. I’m still triyng to figure out where euthanasia comes into it. Because somehow quality of life, to me, had more to do with whether your idea meant humans should go about living like Cylons and cloning themselves than it did whether Gaeta, Anders or Roslin should’ve thought about killing themselves. [It's called context] And yours doesn’t have much when you’re talking about Galactica.

    And quit being dramatic about superman. You misspelled it. I said super-man meaning ubermensch. Hitler’s idea of the fully realized human sacrificing those who don’t point towards the criteria. [read: relevant]

    Now, I think it’s pretty easy at this point to sniff out where this…ripeness…comes from. You and I have such different views of what this show is and what goals the show had. When Boomer tried to kill herself, because she found out she was a Cylon, I stopped looking at the show as black and white.

    Don’t get me wrong, you’re ending is clever and would be a good one to a much different show, say if Battlestar had more of House’s ideology towards life from the get-go.

    I didn’t look at the goals of the show being as simple as: they need to end the war and find a new place to live. I saw the show as how a people can learn to define their own humanity, when for the first time something else has stepped up to replace them. How similar are the two endings, when one prescribes a war unending, while the real one says that nothing is certain, but there can still be hope for the future.

    In one the Cylons are always at war with the Humans, in the other they come together and come to realize a good amount about themselves through it. All they learn in your version is that they need to keep surviving so that they can keep going to war. Your idea is that the show should boil down to a bitter endless war, like the one in the Middle East. (I guess that would make God a UN that works)

    I’m not saying the ending they chose is perfect, it’s just better than yours and much better than you think it is, mostly because they either had to edit down, because they got a little too indulgent on their characters or just didn’t have enough of a budget to really hit home what the ending meant. I mean there should’ve been shots of people living in their colonies with Cylons. They should’ve spent more time letting the choices this new civilization made set in. They didn’t sell it nearly as much as they sold that we were the future.

    They’re saying that this way there’s an oppurtunity. Maybe this is the first time that the two warring races met in the middle. The robots found their humanity and the humans found their tolerance.

    Besides, working a reasonable way to kill everybody save for a few, without the majority of the fanbase doing the group grimace would be more than a little difficult, unless they all manage to stuff into a raptor before Galactica gets nuked or something. I promise you it’d come off much more unpolished than this ending.

    And that’s what this was, the end of the journey, Galactica and the war. Your ‘ending’ manages to conclude maybe one of those. I think struggle is what they’ve been through and hope starts when the war ends.

    Maybe you AREN’T READING WHAT I’M WRITING, when you can say that both races accepting one another is ‘completely hopeless.’

    Somehow, I managed to miss the point that technology had outpaced humanity, when [[I was the one who brought it up]] and Lee pretty flatly said it in the finale. But then, I must not have been paying attention. And I didn’t say your ending would be terrifying, I said it would be disgusting, because of all the things you’d manage to take away from and deconstruct of the show.

    I don’t think anything they did involved sitting around waiting for magical intervention. If that was true, then they probably should’ve just drifted through space hoping Hera would find her way back to Galactica. It wasn’t about saying alright they beat the Cylons here or they lost there or maybe something can turn the tide for them. They…fully…expected not to come back. It was a matter of ending the war definitively, by making sure the warring Cylons never reproduced and the conflict wouldn’t outllive that generation.

    They put their hope in the fleet finding a new home devoid of this war and that ending fest like a fast-forwarding of what could or would have happened. I really want to understand how that’s failing miserably. It didn’t make me or a lot of other people, miserable.

  18. GUYS: You both made your points. Both have merit in their own rights.

    Is there a reason you’re going back and forth rehashing it with mini-novels?

    Just wondering?

  19. Yea…I thought I had a bit more restraint before this all began. But I already consider my last post, the last thing I have to say on the, uh…re-directed topic…

    Sorry about muscling the comment board. I’m done.

  20. Yes, please, let’s be done. I don’t want to shut down this thread for comments just because of you two. I’ve made my peace with Ian, so you guys learn to get along as well.


  21. We are not supposed to like or even understand all the answers these are issues each charactor must come to terms with on their own. We as viewers are simply observers nothing more.

  22. @Paterick – I’ll ignore the childish ranting (lysol, pandas, etc., blah, blah), and address your comments directly. I’ll even ignore your deliberate attempts to twist my words and goad a counter.

    First of all, I didn’t dispute that Moore considered the number 12 to be of religious significance and so this is the reason it appears so often in the BSG universe. What I said was that the number is just a number – it is not, in and of itself, inherently religious. THINGS can not be religious; they can have religious significance to people but that is a very different thing from their being religious in and of themselves. Ultimately, the point that I have reiterated several times already, was that *I chose* 12 survivors PURELY because the number appears in BSG so often, not because Moore perceives a religious significance to the number.

    My discussions of ‘humanity’ have been in two contexts; one, the physical sense (i.e. a set of human entities, in this case, all living humans, whether 6 billion or 40,000 or 17) and, two, the sense of what it is to be human. I’ve never, in any of my arguments talked about humanity in a “micro” sense. Frankly, I can’t see anything that could have led you to think that.

    I brought up euthenasia because you made the point that humanity does not choose quality of life over quantity and I was showing that, yes, we do. A person whose quality of life has been severely degraded due to illness, disfigurement or incapacitation but who is otherwise healthy (in the sense that there is no reason to suggest they would NOT live long enough to die of old age) and yet chooses to end his or her life rather than live with a degraded quality of life has made the clear choice to sacrifice quantity. People who are terminal and face the choice of 2 months feeling relatively normal without treatment versus 6 months feeling terrible due to treatment, often make the choice of enjoying the final two months without treatment.

    Super-men, supermen… both are acceptable spellings, but if you can’t see the point of the comment because of a missing hyphen (new laptop, unfamiliar keyboard, lots of typos), that’s just being petty. Address the argument or ignore it, but don’t be petty. Your reply is riddled with errors but I’m not flagging them and using them as an excuse to deliberately reinterpret your responses, so please offer the same courtesy.

    On the point of how a few humans could survive, well, the fact that the Final Five survived THEIR round of war, it’s clearly possible that a few individuals can survive to fight (or not) another day. The fact that 50,000 humans out of billions can survive a nuclear holocaust also clearly shows that a relatively few can survive while the majority perish. Also, we clearly saw Racetrack (and presumably there would be other pilots) out in space well away from the main fighting, in a ship with jump capability, so it’s clearly possible that a very few individuals could survive in the face of the annihilation of the majority.

    We agree on the point of the show being more than simply “find a new place to live”; ultimately, though, that is what the aired ending boils down to. The tacked on, “150,000 years later” bit didn’t really address the issue of humanity having learned from its experiences as it was pretty clear that any lessons that the Galactica survivors could have imparted to their descendants had been lost in time. Head-Baltar and Head-Caprica disagreed and debated whether or not anything would change at the end of the show.

    I think you missed my proposed ending (actually, endings, as I proposed three). You have assumed that because my ending concluded with humans making their way back to the 12 colonies, that war would ensue. Re-read my last post; I posed 3 different endings in the form of questions. The exact quote is:

    “Now, the roles are reversed, what does humanity do? Do they return to the colonies and try to take them back? Do they accept their fate and remain in space? Do they broker a deal leading to cooperation with the Cylons?”

    Option 1: “Do they return to the colonies and try to take them back?” RESULT: War (even Head-Baltar and Head-Caprica disagreed on whether this was likely to occur in the ending as aired).

    Option 2: “Do they accept their fate and remain in space?” RESULT: Both accept their fate (i.e. NO WAR); bleak and hopeless but still, not war.

    Option 3: “Do they broker a deal leading to cooperation with the Cylons?” RESULT: Cooperation with the Cylons (i.e. NO WAR)

    Nowhere did I say that both races accepting one another is completely hopeless; in fact, that is exactly what I offer up in two of my proposed three endings.

    Re: technology outpacing humanity; I didn’t suggest that you called it terrifying. *I* said it was *SUPPOSED* to be terrifying, and it absolutely was. How do you reason with a machine? How do you appeal for mercy? How do you teach it the importance of life? I suppose one view of the whole mechanical to biological transition made by the Cylons is that perhaps the Cylons realised their mechanical nature was a barrier to some future reconciliation with humanity and so took biological form in order to help facilitate this. We do know that at least some (Cavil) found biological form repulsive and a step backward, which is an interesting point in and of itself because the suggestion made in the show was that the Cylons took human form to become closer to their “god”. Cavil’s rejection of this is a direct rejection, on his part, of the importance of being closer to their “god”. I believe that Cavil even ridiculed the importance assigned to “god” by the other Cylon models. I don’t recall whether or not he went so far as to declare himself, essentially, an atheist, though I think that was implied.

  23. Dudes, we warned you about this.

  24. About what? it’s a perfectly civil reply. I made no insulting comments. I debated the show. The reply is on-topic.

  25. This episode was awesome. I rate it as the best T.V. show ending I have seen. Not many good Sci-fi shows even end yet alone finish well. The only T.V. show ending that compares is the Christmas specials of the british office in my opinion.

    p.s. Reading through other comments I agree with Vic!

  26. Although it is becoming a non-issue as time goes by, it puzzles me no end to hear posters here extol the virtues of the last episode of BSG.
    Whatever standard they may be using to conclude it was “awesome”, or the best show ever, or “wrapped all loose ends up” must be in some other universe than mine.
    The show was objectively flawed; it ignored past shows, was logically and factually inconsistent in the facts both prior and the alleged following timelines, it mixed science and magic in a most amateurish hamfisted way. It expected to just make up a bunch of “just so” stories in its conclusion, and demanded faithful viewers not ask any deep questions, just swallow the whole thing w/eyes closed and agree it was really good.
    For anyone with even a little quality control standards, with even a little intellectual investment in the show (and that includes the writers), this last episode was a total muckup of lazy, inattentive ad hoc storytelling.
    There is no whining here, and there no need to “get over it”. It was just bloody awful.

  27. Screen Ranters,

    What T said!

  28. Fantastic ending – simply fantastic!

    Sure, there were a few flaws (almost none of which struck me as important DURING the episode), but all-in-all, the finale delivered.

    To the commenters, here and elsewhere, that have allowed there intolerance of religion to color their experience – too bad. :(

    Throughout all of recorded history, there are instances of ‘divine providence’ – a storm that arrives just-in-time to turn the tide of battle, timing of a gathering that is just too convenient to be coincidence. Not to mention the Prophets that have foretold events to come. There was nothing inconsistent in the ‘rules’ of BSG, with the way billions of people accepts our lives are governed.

    For those disappointed by the unresolved threads (ie: Daniel), I think (hope) “The Plan” will tie some of them up.

    The one scene that I think created an unnecessary discontinuity was when Kara’s Viper explodes – then is found on charred-Earth. Her Viper should have just ‘disappeared’ down the gravity well.