LOL

I agree to the cowl thing; though.

I mean, how hard is that? The shoulder to shoulder cape lets him be completely hidden when he needs to be. The emblem is a target so distract gunshots from his face to his chest.

What irks me the most though, is the ears on the cowl.

In the four flicks with Keaten, Kilmer and Clooney, the top of his head was like |\_/|

In the new movies its /|_|\

Reminds me of the tiny bat ears from the Adam West show. This cowl even has super pronounced eyebrows!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Knight_(film)

“… Batman himself arrives and subdues all the criminals … Due to injuries he receives here, Batman decides to create a new, more functional suit of armor than his heavy and less mobile one.”

“Designers improved on the design of the Batsuit from Batman Begins, adding wide elastic banding to help bind the costume to Bale, and suggest more sophisticated technology. It was constructed from 200 individual pieces of rubber, fiberglass, metallic mesh, and nylon. The new cowl was modeled after a motorcycle helmet and separated from the neck piece, allowing Bale to turn his head left and right and nod up and down. The cowl is equipped to show white lenses over the eyes when the character turns on his sonar detection. The gauntlets have retractable razors which are able to be fired. The gloves also possess hydraulics for Batman to crush objects. The original suit will also be worn during part of the film. Though the new costume is eight pounds heavier, Bale found it more comfortable and less hot to wear.”

hope i didn’t give to much away

MOVIE COMES OUT TONIGHT @ MIDNIGHT !!!

Has anyone seen “Batman: Gotham Knight” ? It is a direct to DVD cartoon / anime that has been highly advertised this summer, along w/ The Dark Knight.

“Batman: Gotham Knight” is a collection of interlocking stories that takes place during the time frame after the end of Batman Begins, & before the begining of The Dark Knight. I don’t want to give anything away from “Batman: Gotham Knight,” but something happens to Batman in the last story that is told. Could this be the reason that the new bat suit we see looks like it’s armor plated? Just thought I’d throw that out there & see if anyone had any views or opinions.

By the way, traditionalists (or purists) will never appreciate, understand, or be happy with change. I am not saying that I love the new bat-suit; nor, am i saying i wish that we should see the “traditional” black & gray. I’m just saying that everything in life evolves & changes. People should be aware of this. Besides, we should all be super happy & jumping for joy because we don’t see Batman’s nipples, nor does his crotch seem overly stuffed (i.e. Batman Forever and Batman & Robin). Furthermore, thank goodness Batman can finally turn his neck without having to turn his entire body. That was the one thing that drove me nutts since the first Batman movie.

By the way, when i think about Batman, this is what i see …

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5455/jimleebatscolorscz0.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/DrunkenHobo666/Comics/Batman-JimLee.jpg

but real life version of that would look like this …
(which would be wierd & a turn off for the masses)

http://lnx.eklettica.com/coppermine/albums/artworks/batman/side.jpg

Random Thought …

Just wanted to say this is the coolest forum i have been to, EVER. The majority of the people here actually do their research when they post. Not only that, almost everyone “argues” in a real respectable manner. Good stuff. Makes me smile.

Vic

If there is ever going to be a part 3 The director should be bold enough as to stay away from the current black rubber suit trend and just be as faithful to the comic as possible. The director will go down in history as the person who really gave life to BATMAN.

HEAR THAT BURTON???!!!!!!! WE DON’T LIKE YOUR BLACK RUBBER SUIT!!!!

I really like what this guy did here http://features.cgsociety.org/stories/2005_08/dark_knight/images/batman.jpg

I still can compromise with a gray version of the 2nd batbale suit.

Secondly, the black plastic/rubber “armored” suits that we are used to seeing on film are not about realism. They are used because Tim Burton disliked the comic book suit (also because Keaton could not fill it out) and wanted to leave his mark on the suit, so he eliminated the gray areas and made it out of plastic/rubber and thus the gray-less black w/ yellow utility belt plastic suit was born. It was not created because Burton felt the comic book black and gray suit was “unrealistic” or that it needed “armor”, but because Burton envisioned Batman in complete black rubber (like most of his other projects), and the comic book suit simply went against his style (he never has and never will read a comic book, he said, BTW), it was a matter of personal taste, not because of “believability”, that the suit was made that way. Because Burton’s Batman film was a success and that suit is what the mainstream people had accepted as the bat suit, WB has kept that basic formula, the bl ack rubber/plastic/”armored’ suit w/ yellow belt, for all Batman films since then, and that’s why the Batman costumes all the way up to TDK have been variations of the Burton suit. Don’t convince yourself it’s about “realism” when it is nothing more then a trend.

Thirdly, if we are to be frank about it, both suits, the form fitting, flexible comic book suit and the stiff rubber/plastic movie suit are entirely uunrealistic They are fictional. No matter how you look at it, it’s still made up. Getting a plastic/rubber black and yellow costume and telling me it’s bullet proof isn’t any different than getting a more fabricy, flexible suit and telling me it’s bullet proof. The only difference between the two is that the one is respectful of the source material and the wearer can actually move and breath easily in it and the other isn’t respectful of the source material and the wearer can’t move or breath easily in it.

Fourthly, The purpose of the Batman costume was never to make the wwearerextremely protected or invincible, that’s Iron Man’s department. It was to be a disguise/persona that would be iimmediatelyrecognizable and meant something to criminals, a symbol. When creating his suit, Bruce Wayne said “Crminials are a superstitious and cowardly lot…” not “Criminals are a dangerous lot, therefore I must wear lost of protective armor that will prevent me from moving swiftly before one of them puts a cap in my ass…”. The suit was conceived as a disguise that he could wear while he beat thugs up, not as a protective suit like Iron Man, the protection it provided was a secondary thought. One of the defining aattributesof Batman is that he is human, like you or me, he can be hurt or destroyed as we can, when guns go off, they’re a real threat to him. To over armor him, like the films do, is to take take that away or lessen that aspect of the character. Iron Man wears armor, Bat man does not. He does not need or use clunky armor like the movies always put him in to get by, the protection that the costume he created provides is enough. Ninjas, characters like V from V for Vendetta, Zorro, Green Arrow, even DareDevil, are all guys who are human like Batman and face the same threats that he does without the aid of the clunky, plastic/rubber armor that the movies always throw Batman in or even the protective, form fitting suit that Batman wears in the comics, and yet they get by just fine. But iI’msupposed to believe that Batman in the movies could not survive without his plastic/rubber armor plated suit. It’s ridiculous.

Fifthly, since when did superheroes become about “realism”? They’re supposed to be an escape from that, imaginative stories of what could be, not what is. If you’re interested in stories about a guy who can fly, stick to walls, or lives in a batcave you are looking in the wrong place for realism, and it isn’t realism that has attracted you to these stories in the first place. The stories should be left the way they are without the tweaks.

Sixthly, for the people who argue the color scheme of the comic book suit is “unrealistic” or “would stand out too much”, consider this; the movie suits are completely black with yellow utility belts! Doesn’t that stand out? I thought you’d say yes. Also, the lower part of the face is unprotected, what if someone tries to shoot him there? Wouldn’t you wear armor there? That isn’t very “rrealistic. Neither is a cape. But if you’re going to make it realistic you’re going to take away what helps make the character so recognizable and iconic. YYoucan barely see the bat symbol on the Dark Knight film suit’s chest, it’s horrible. The black and gray comic book suit’s color scheme (black and gray) is camo like soldiers wear, so that actually isn’t unrealistic.

And finally, the Spider-man, Iron Man, Superman, Fantastic 4, and Hulk movie suits/looks are VERY close to their current comic book versions, if not exactly like them, Batman shouldn’t be, but is somehow an exception. But why is that? It isn’t because of “realism’, it’s because WB doesn’t want to stray from rthetradition that started back in the Burton Batman days of the all black plastic/rubber “armored” costume with the yellow belt. And who says the black and gray, flexible, form fitting, bullet, flame, and shock proof comic book suit wouldn’t translate well onto the big screen? They worked fine for the aaformentionedcharacters above. We have yet to see a big budget version of the current comic book Batman suit and most likely, until that happens, none of you will believe it would work/be successful. It’s funny tthatthe first thing you ppeoplethink of when you think of the comic book Batman suit is the Adam West TV show suit, which was over 40 years ago! That’ d be like only thinking of the 1940s serials or 50s TV show Superman suit when thinking of the Superman comic book suit or like thinking of the 70s TV show Spider-Man costume when thinking of the comic book Spider-Man suit. As I said, we have yet to see a big budget, current take on the current Batman comic book suit, there’s no reason why that can’t be “cool” or stylized like the current Superman or Spider-Man film suits and still remain true to the look of the comic books. I say they could make it out of material similar to the Daredevil or Harry Osborn movie suits’ material and it would be fine. Bullet proof vests look like that.

That said, the movies have made 2 contributions that are actually good; the grapel gun and the memory cloth gliding bat cape. The grapel gun has actually been added into the comics since its introduction in Tim Burton’s 1989 Batman film, it’s one of the best additions to Batman I can think of. I like the memory cloth as well, it’s the classic cape from the comics yet it’s a glider at the sametime and it actually exists, it’s so much better that he has his cape and glider all roled into one without compromising manuverability instead of losing the cape for the clunky glider of the comic books. THOSE are contributions that I really like.

The eyes have come up a few times and I have to say that while they look good in the comics and cartoons it becomes much more difficult to act with something blocking the actors eyes. It’s very difficult to connect with a person if you can’t see their eyes (that’s why some people feel a bit awkward talking to blind people who wear sunglasses).

As for that cape, I’ve always thought that it looked better when he was big enough to cover Bats entirely and that would be a nice addition, perhaps for the third film.

Just before I leave to get back to work, I think the plating makes the suit look like it’s not all one piece. It makes it easier to imagine how Bruce would get into the suit. Before it seemingly all one large piece which seemed very strange and a little comical.

Anyway, back to work…

he is a very old character and he has a lot of fans who have been following him for a very long time.. if u make a movie.. ur prime audience base is them.. not the new generation of audiences who just go to watch ‘any movie’ in the theatres. so changes have to be made carefully.. and if u do make changes.. keep em nice and believable.. believeable in the world of Batman.. not ours!!

definitely ur right CB, i agree with ur articulations..the cape, the ears, the eyes..

the point is mike.. make the Bat 21st century real world compatible, but dont turn him into something from Robo-cop or Transfrmers. i relly dont recognise him in the suit they have for TDK and his cowl is just horrible.. looks like a helmet with two little points on the head.. not cool!

also, i made a comparison with IM althoug i knw they are so different is because they stuck to the original theme.. so it wud be nice if the movie makers stuck to the original theme of Batman. he is not a superhere who has been made up for just BB or TDK.. he goes wayyyy back.. so the history must be taken into consideration.

with regards to the Joker.. well it seems like the late HL did a fantastic job.. but then agn.. he looks nothing like the real J. the real Joker shudve been a very tall, thin guy with a long nose and pointy chin.. but then agn.. they didnt do bad job with the revamp.. to some ppl changing these very old characters to make them compatible with cinema today maybe ok.. but for me.. no!! i wud say tht if they cud make a movie which can become an onscreen part of the comic book saga.. story and looks included.. well that’l b the day i bow down to Hollywood.. on the whole, i’d put it straight.. the movie makers are destroying our beloved childhood characters!!

overall, still, if u do revamp.. make it look good.. with the Joker, i believe they did a pretty good job..with the Bat, well, they just sucked!!

If you read any of my other comments, I’ve been defending the armor, thinking along the same lines as you, that if I were him I’d be wearing that suit too “just in case”. I think it makes sense in the semi-realistic world they’re trying to portray.

I’m not really sure why you seemed to take such offense to my comment, bc I tried to be pretty open minded, but not everyone is a fan of that I guess. Maybe you just read what I wrote the wrong way. I’m not here to make anyone angry with me, just to have an intelligent discussion. I think you should take a look back at the other stuff I’ve said before you judge one single comment.

Anyway, I think the new Batsuit is pretty cool looking, and it will definitely be an entertaining movie.

Oh, one more thing I actually thought was really interesting concerning Iron Man – check out this article on wired.com:

http://www.wired.com/gadgets/miscellaneous/news/2008/04/ironman_physics

The article itself isn’t all that great, but the comments people left are pretty incredible. One guy went pretty in depth concerning how the repulsor rays and boots would work, and he shows all the math for it too! One guy even started a website towards developing a functioning Iron Man suit. It’s a little excessive, but still pretty impressive.

After reading that article, I’m guessing even the wildest of gadgets Batman uses aren’t too far beyond belief.