• Manowar
    Takeaway the mask and belt and it looks like the GiJoe battle suits...

    LOL
  • Peter
    The new batsuits can stay nice and flexible but must be made to look exactly the same as the older batsuits that were worn by Michael Keaton Val Kilmer and George Clooney. The older deeper and bluer batcave the older batmobile batplane and batboat should be used in the newer Batman films along with the older Robin and Batgirl costumes from Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. Christian Bale could do with the smaller bat-symbol with the yellow ellipse around it on the centre of the chest of his batsuit as well as hard nipples. They should add The Penguin The Riddler Catwoman Poison Ivy Man-Bat and Mr Freeze on the list of villains of upcoming Batman films. The old Batman symbol should also go onto the bat-signal.
  • John Boom
    I like the new suit but why would there be gaps in his legs? Having gaps in your armor on your legs does not make you faster. Its not like your thigh is a joint, you don't need more flexibility there.
  • KEL
    Love your illustrations of the ears, Bane. lol! :D
  • Blackest Nightwing
    Bane, in Batman Begins/TDK, Batman actually solifies the cape and uses it to glide. If the cape was shoulder-to-shoulder, then he might have a little problem with it. MIGHT.

    I agree to the cowl thing; though.
  • Bane
    Batman needs the dark-grey and black suit with shoulder to shoulder cape and yellow emblem.

    I mean, how hard is that? The shoulder to shoulder cape lets him be completely hidden when he needs to be. The emblem is a target so distract gunshots from his face to his chest.

    What irks me the most though, is the ears on the cowl.

    In the four flicks with Keaten, Kilmer and Clooney, the top of his head was like |\_/|

    In the new movies its /|_|\

    Reminds me of the tiny bat ears from the Adam West show. This cowl even has super pronounced eyebrows!
  • Blackest Nightwing
    I don't get it. Why don't they just color the background parts of the suit Dark Grey? The rest can still be black, still be armory, and the comic fans can still get a black/grey suit.
    Oh, and I've also read comments about yellow eclipse behind the Bat symbol being there because it was meant to be a target for his enemies.
    The reason this suit doesn't use the yellow eclipse could be because unlike other versions, this Batman has ninja-like training. His strategy is disappearing with the shadows. So why would he need a target for his enemies to shoot at, when he is supposed to appear out of nowhere, kick bad guy's ass, and disappear to nowhere in a span of 5 seconds?
  • Thomas
    In case anyone hasn't seen the suit up close, check out this picture: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2398/2102055996_....
    It isn't as "busy" as believed and makes sense once you really look at it, AND it IS black and gray! Who would have guessed.
  • Zaki
    I am on the fence. Where as I like the fact the new suit allows the more articulation. I like the first one more because of the way it looked and cascaded in the first bank scene. The second one didn't have that awe inspired look to it.
  • terebi-kun
    I've been reading the whole post, and pondered the whole batsuit thing, and my personal solution would be to keep the mask, boots, gloves and cape, give the guy the armor plated suit (for bullet and hit protection) but anyway put a grey fabric suit on top of it, with a black bat symbol. That would keep the "realistic" approach to the suit, it wouldn't look like pajamas (or need for fake muscles), and would allow the black & grey look. I like the "mask as helmet" approach, since it`s pretty logical I think.
  • Ali
    from wikipedia ...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Knight_(film)

    "... Batman himself arrives and subdues all the criminals ... Due to injuries he receives here, Batman decides to create a new, more functional suit of armor than his heavy and less mobile one."

    "Designers improved on the design of the Batsuit from Batman Begins, adding wide elastic banding to help bind the costume to Bale, and suggest more sophisticated technology. It was constructed from 200 individual pieces of rubber, fiberglass, metallic mesh, and nylon. The new cowl was modeled after a motorcycle helmet and separated from the neck piece, allowing Bale to turn his head left and right and nod up and down. The cowl is equipped to show white lenses over the eyes when the character turns on his sonar detection. The gauntlets have retractable razors which are able to be fired. The gloves also possess hydraulics for Batman to crush objects. The original suit will also be worn during part of the film. Though the new costume is eight pounds heavier, Bale found it more comfortable and less hot to wear."

    hope i didn't give to much away

    MOVIE COMES OUT TONIGHT @ MIDNIGHT !!!
  • Ali
    Random Observation ...

    Has anyone seen "Batman: Gotham Knight" ? It is a direct to DVD cartoon / anime that has been highly advertised this summer, along w/ The Dark Knight.

    "Batman: Gotham Knight" is a collection of interlocking stories that takes place during the time frame after the end of Batman Begins, & before the begining of The Dark Knight. I don't want to give anything away from "Batman: Gotham Knight," but something happens to Batman in the last story that is told. Could this be the reason that the new bat suit we see looks like it's armor plated? Just thought I'd throw that out there & see if anyone had any views or opinions.

    By the way, traditionalists (or purists) will never appreciate, understand, or be happy with change. I am not saying that I love the new bat-suit; nor, am i saying i wish that we should see the "traditional" black & gray. I'm just saying that everything in life evolves & changes. People should be aware of this. Besides, we should all be super happy & jumping for joy because we don't see Batman's nipples, nor does his crotch seem overly stuffed (i.e. Batman Forever and Batman & Robin). Furthermore, thank goodness Batman can finally turn his neck without having to turn his entire body. That was the one thing that drove me nutts since the first Batman movie.

    By the way, when i think about Batman, this is what i see ...

    http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5455/jimleebat...

    http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/DrunkenHob...


    but real life version of that would look like this ...
    (which would be wierd & a turn off for the masses)

    http://lnx.eklettica.com/coppermine/albums/artw...


    Random Thought ...

    Just wanted to say this is the coolest forum i have been to, EVER. The majority of the people here actually do their research when they post. Not only that, almost everyone "argues" in a real respectable manner. Good stuff. Makes me smile.
  • Jason
    Vic,
    In the Batman Begins movie they said that the kevlar body suit had reinforced joints which I can see with the Begins suit and I think that is really awesome and explains how he swings qwithou ripping out his arm. But in this new Dark Knioght suit it doesn't look like it could be reinforced. And if you've seen any really close ups of his close thye look really bad especially the knuckles and the gloves have changed. Didn't he use a special glove to activate the current in the cape. I don't know about the new suit. So far it has alot to account for and if they explain the use and reason for it i will be all good but if they don't I am going to be really disappointed won't you? If you are of the opinion that it should be real world ready than you must agree.
  • Doomsday, I don't think we'll see white eye coverings - they didn't even do it for the Spider-Man movies.

    Vic
  • Doomsday™®
    and oh yeah... before i forget... i would sure like it if the succeeding movies show white eye protectors like they do in the COMICS... protectors, lens or shields.. or mini monitors... the WHITE EYE COVERINGS maybe all these.. i dont know.. but i want to see them in the succeeding movies.. they are part of BATMAN!

    If there is ever going to be a part 3 The director should be bold enough as to stay away from the current black rubber suit trend and just be as faithful to the comic as possible. The director will go down in history as the person who really gave life to BATMAN.


    HEAR THAT BURTON???!!!!!!! WE DON'T LIKE YOUR BLACK RUBBER SUIT!!!!
  • Doomsday™®
    well.. i am part of camp 1. i don't see any reason why the movie costume designers couldn't come up with a suit that is most similar to the comics.. Batman is a great warrior in a suit, he is just that. A skilled martial artist / athlete and detective.. The MAN should be the one emphasized in the movies. The skills of the MAN should be the focus, he is after all the best human specimen in the DC universe. In this regard he is still a SUPER - MAN.

    I really like what this guy did here http://features.cgsociety.org/stories/2005_08/d...

    I still can compromise with a gray version of the 2nd batbale suit.
  • KEL
    First of all, the comic book Batman suit is very protective. It is not some mere pair of tights as some have described it, it is a bullet, flame, and shock proof (to a degree, of course), form fitting material that Batman invented. Batman created a protective yet flexible, form fitting material (akin to a bullet proof vest), free of any clunky rubber/plastic or so called "armor" that would compromise his maneuverability and reaction time. With this costume he created he can be protected and still move and fight like a stealthy ninja. That'd believable and, IMO, would translate fine onto film.

    Secondly, the black plastic/rubber "armored" suits that we are used to seeing on film are not about realism. They are used because Tim Burton disliked the comic book suit (also because Keaton could not fill it out) and wanted to leave his mark on the suit, so he eliminated the gray areas and made it out of plastic/rubber and thus the gray-less black w/ yellow utility belt plastic suit was born. It was not created because Burton felt the comic book black and gray suit was "unrealistic" or that it needed "armor", but because Burton envisioned Batman in complete black rubber (like most of his other projects), and the comic book suit simply went against his style (he never has and never will read a comic book, he said, BTW), it was a matter of personal taste, not because of "believability", that the suit was made that way. Because Burton's Batman film was a success and that suit is what the mainstream people had accepted as the bat suit, WB has kept that basic formula, the bl ack rubber/plastic/"armored' suit w/ yellow belt, for all Batman films since then, and that's why the Batman costumes all the way up to TDK have been variations of the Burton suit. Don't convince yourself it's about "realism" when it is nothing more then a trend.

    Thirdly, if we are to be frank about it, both suits, the form fitting, flexible comic book suit and the stiff rubber/plastic movie suit are entirely uunrealistic They are fictional. No matter how you look at it, it's still made up. Getting a plastic/rubber black and yellow costume and telling me it's bullet proof isn't any different than getting a more fabricy, flexible suit and telling me it's bullet proof. The only difference between the two is that the one is respectful of the source material and the wearer can actually move and breath easily in it and the other isn't respectful of the source material and the wearer can't move or breath easily in it.

    Fourthly, The purpose of the Batman costume was never to make the wwearerextremely protected or invincible, that's Iron Man's department. It was to be a disguise/persona that would be iimmediatelyrecognizable and meant something to criminals, a symbol. When creating his suit, Bruce Wayne said "Crminials are a superstitious and cowardly lot..." not "Criminals are a dangerous lot, therefore I must wear lost of protective armor that will prevent me from moving swiftly before one of them puts a cap in my ass...". The suit was conceived as a disguise that he could wear while he beat thugs up, not as a protective suit like Iron Man, the protection it provided was a secondary thought. One of the defining aattributesof Batman is that he is human, like you or me, he can be hurt or destroyed as we can, when guns go off, they're a real threat to him. To over armor him, like the films do, is to take take that away or lessen that aspect of the character. Iron Man wears armor, Bat man does not. He does not need or use clunky armor like the movies always put him in to get by, the protection that the costume he created provides is enough. Ninjas, characters like V from V for Vendetta, Zorro, Green Arrow, even DareDevil, are all guys who are human like Batman and face the same threats that he does without the aid of the clunky, plastic/rubber armor that the movies always throw Batman in or even the protective, form fitting suit that Batman wears in the comics, and yet they get by just fine. But iI'msupposed to believe that Batman in the movies could not survive without his plastic/rubber armor plated suit. It's ridiculous.

    Fifthly, since when did superheroes become about "realism"? They're supposed to be an escape from that, imaginative stories of what could be, not what is. If you're interested in stories about a guy who can fly, stick to walls, or lives in a batcave you are looking in the wrong place for realism, and it isn't realism that has attracted you to these stories in the first place. The stories should be left the way they are without the tweaks.

    Sixthly, for the people who argue the color scheme of the comic book suit is "unrealistic" or "would stand out too much", consider this; the movie suits are completely black with yellow utility belts! Doesn't that stand out? I thought you'd say yes. Also, the lower part of the face is unprotected, what if someone tries to shoot him there? Wouldn't you wear armor there? That isn't very "rrealistic. Neither is a cape. But if you're going to make it realistic you're going to take away what helps make the character so recognizable and iconic. YYoucan barely see the bat symbol on the Dark Knight film suit's chest, it's horrible. The black and gray comic book suit's color scheme (black and gray) is camo like soldiers wear, so that actually isn't unrealistic.

    And finally, the Spider-man, Iron Man, Superman, Fantastic 4, and Hulk movie suits/looks are VERY close to their current comic book versions, if not exactly like them, Batman shouldn't be, but is somehow an exception. But why is that? It isn't because of "realism', it's because WB doesn't want to stray from rthetradition that started back in the Burton Batman days of the all black plastic/rubber "armored" costume with the yellow belt. And who says the black and gray, flexible, form fitting, bullet, flame, and shock proof comic book suit wouldn't translate well onto the big screen? They worked fine for the aaformentionedcharacters above. We have yet to see a big budget version of the current comic book Batman suit and most likely, until that happens, none of you will believe it would work/be successful. It's funny tthatthe first thing you ppeoplethink of when you think of the comic book Batman suit is the Adam West TV show suit, which was over 40 years ago! That' d be like only thinking of the 1940s serials or 50s TV show Superman suit when thinking of the Superman comic book suit or like thinking of the 70s TV show Spider-Man costume when thinking of the comic book Spider-Man suit. As I said, we have yet to see a big budget, current take on the current Batman comic book suit, there's no reason why that can't be "cool" or stylized like the current Superman or Spider-Man film suits and still remain true to the look of the comic books. I say they could make it out of material similar to the Daredevil or Harry Osborn movie suits' material and it would be fine. Bullet proof vests look like that.

    That said, the movies have made 2 contributions that are actually good; the grapel gun and the memory cloth gliding bat cape. The grapel gun has actually been added into the comics since its introduction in Tim Burton's 1989 Batman film, it's one of the best additions to Batman I can think of. I like the memory cloth as well, it's the classic cape from the comics yet it's a glider at the sametime and it actually exists, it's so much better that he has his cape and glider all roled into one without compromising manuverability instead of losing the cape for the clunky glider of the comic books. THOSE are contributions that I really like. :-)
  • Ciarán
    There seems to be a lot of healthy debate going on here, which is always good.

    The eyes have come up a few times and I have to say that while they look good in the comics and cartoons it becomes much more difficult to act with something blocking the actors eyes. It's very difficult to connect with a person if you can't see their eyes (that's why some people feel a bit awkward talking to blind people who wear sunglasses).

    As for that cape, I've always thought that it looked better when he was big enough to cover Bats entirely and that would be a nice addition, perhaps for the third film.

    Just before I leave to get back to work, I think the plating makes the suit look like it's not all one piece. It makes it easier to imagine how Bruce would get into the suit. Before it seemingly all one large piece which seemed very strange and a little comical.

    Anyway, back to work...
  • Xavi
    guys, my point here is.. it doesnt matter if the Batsuit is armour plated or not.. it relly doesnt.. Batman is always changing an adapting.. so i guess armour plating his suit is completely ok.. but i have to agree with CB here.. the suit and symbol has to resemble the original is one way or another so that we can relate to Batman.. if u change it.. change it to adapt with the old suit.. not make a new design altogether!!

    he is a very old character and he has a lot of fans who have been following him for a very long time.. if u make a movie.. ur prime audience base is them.. not the new generation of audiences who just go to watch 'any movie' in the theatres. so changes have to be made carefully.. and if u do make changes.. keep em nice and believable.. believeable in the world of Batman.. not ours!!

    definitely ur right CB, i agree with ur articulations..the cape, the ears, the eyes..

    the point is mike.. make the Bat 21st century real world compatible, but dont turn him into something from Robo-cop or Transfrmers. i relly dont recognise him in the suit they have for TDK and his cowl is just horrible.. looks like a helmet with two little points on the head.. not cool!

    also, i made a comparison with IM althoug i knw they are so different is because they stuck to the original theme.. so it wud be nice if the movie makers stuck to the original theme of Batman. he is not a superhere who has been made up for just BB or TDK.. he goes wayyyy back.. so the history must be taken into consideration.

    with regards to the Joker.. well it seems like the late HL did a fantastic job.. but then agn.. he looks nothing like the real J. the real Joker shudve been a very tall, thin guy with a long nose and pointy chin.. but then agn.. they didnt do bad job with the revamp.. to some ppl changing these very old characters to make them compatible with cinema today maybe ok.. but for me.. no!! i wud say tht if they cud make a movie which can become an onscreen part of the comic book saga.. story and looks included.. well that'l b the day i bow down to Hollywood.. on the whole, i'd put it straight.. the movie makers are destroying our beloved childhood characters!!

    overall, still, if u do revamp.. make it look good.. with the Joker, i believe they did a pretty good job..with the Bat, well, they just sucked!!
  • Mike
    Wow CB, I don't think you read any of my other comments. My last gesture that the armor could just be a marketing tactic for kids was just merely because I was looking for other reasons besides the obvious. Like I said at the end of my last comment, it doesn't have to be completely believable to me, I go to these movies knowing it's a fantasy "hyper-realistic" world where a lot of the things might not be possible, but I still very much enjoy them.

    If you read any of my other comments, I've been defending the armor, thinking along the same lines as you, that if I were him I'd be wearing that suit too "just in case". I think it makes sense in the semi-realistic world they're trying to portray.

    I'm not really sure why you seemed to take such offense to my comment, bc I tried to be pretty open minded, but not everyone is a fan of that I guess. Maybe you just read what I wrote the wrong way. I'm not here to make anyone angry with me, just to have an intelligent discussion. I think you should take a look back at the other stuff I've said before you judge one single comment.

    Anyway, I think the new Batsuit is pretty cool looking, and it will definitely be an entertaining movie.

    Oh, one more thing I actually thought was really interesting concerning Iron Man - check out this article on wired.com:

    http://www.wired.com/gadgets/miscellaneous/news/2008/04/ironman_physics

    The article itself isn't all that great, but the comments people left are pretty incredible. One guy went pretty in depth concerning how the repulsor rays and boots would work, and he shows all the math for it too! One guy even started a website towards developing a functioning Iron Man suit. It's a little excessive, but still pretty impressive.

    After reading that article, I'm guessing even the wildest of gadgets Batman uses aren't too far beyond belief.
  • CB
    The armour plating is just to keep kids interested? Boy are you giving the film makers very little credit here. Listen as far as I can tell, Christopher Nolan (the director of TDK) has little or no interest in how the toys of this movie sell. That's Warner Bros. Department. He is focused on how good his movie is, not so much on how well the merchantising goes.

    Secondly The first Batman movie wasn't geared towards kids at all, nor the second for that matter, teenagers perhaps but not kids. and who the hell cares about giving teenagers nightmares anyway. Trust me that was the last thing on Tim's mind. On the other hand Batman Forever and Batman & Robin were specifically designed to meet that demographic (which is why even as a "kid" I thought they were crap).

    By the way memory cloth and it's aplications have been studied by the US military for years. Also in regards to you're batmobile/harness comments. BB and TDK see the batman character brought into the movie world which is a world of hyper-realism (to steal a phrase from Jim Cameron). A world where everything thing is exaggerated for the story. Sure Bruce wouldn't become Batman in the real world, but he does in the movie world, sure few buildings could support the batmobile, but they can in the movie world etc. Anyway Isn't most of the stuff in Ironman way more far fetched?

    The reason for the armour is simple. Batman's a smart guy, right? Sure he's trained himself to be the most accomplished person in the world at hand-to-hand combat, stealth etc. But he'd be one hell of an idiot to just go out there into this hyper-realistic world in only a skin tight fabric suit. He's smart enough to know that no matter how accomplished he is that you can't prepare for every eventuality and that the best that anyonan do is stack the odds in their favour, and for him wouldn't that include wearing and armoured suit... if only "just in case"?
  • Mike
    I agree Xavi, it does suck that the masses wouldn't get it. Even worse is that it's like someone else said - these are the suits that are going to be remembered in the future as "classic". Anyways, I just read recently somewhere that Christian Bale didn't bulk up as much for TDK as he did for BB because in the movie Bruce redesigns the suit from BB in order to have more flexibility. So I'm thinking they'll have an explanation for the change, like Bats gets the crud kicked out of him early in the movie due to lack of being able to turn his head or something, which I think would be a semi-humorous nod to fans everywhere.

    Oddly enough, I've been thinking about the movie all day and how they could incorporate the grey/black into a live action flick and have him still look like a bad ass (It was a very slow day at work today). I really don't think it would have to be that big of a change, just lighten up the chest and legs a few shades to make it like a dark grey, keep the bat symbol black and there you have it.

    As for the armor plating, I was thinking maybe they did it because they need something to draw the kids in so they'd buy the inevitable line of toys that will be hitting stores soon. A plain black and grey suit wouldn't be all that appealing, but an armor plated suit would certainly get a kid's attention. I mean, that's the first thing I thought when they introduced the Batpod. I think we all know that's going to be another toy kids will have to have, because they already have the same batmobile from BB.

    Also, you mentioned Iron Man, and I agree with what someone said a while back. It's easy to keep the IM suit the same because Tony Stark is flashy and arrogant, so red & gold works well. I think Iron Man and Batman are in two completely separate ballparks when comparing the movies. IM had the ability to be light, fun, and as John Favreau put it "rock n' roll". It had it's dramatic action sequences, but for the most part it was just a fun movie to watch. Batman on the other hand is forced into being dramatic and serious because that's who Batman is. He's in bad-ass mode 24 hours a day, he doesn't have time for smart-ass, sarcastic one-liners, he's got bad guys and their henchmen to beat up. Which brings us to another major difference. Batman is usually fighting off several dudes at once, so he's forced to use "deception and theatricality", while Iron Man is usually hanging out in One-on-Onesville. IM has the time to be a little flashy because even though he has the technology to take on lot of people at once, he's usually just taking on just one super powered bad guy at a time.

    Anyways, I'm not here to compare and contrast, because I really think both IM and Batman are great for their own reasons. I hope no one got the impression I was trying to be a prick about any of this. No matter how the suit looks, I think the big show stealer is going to be Heath Ledger's Joker. I was skeptical at first, but I saw another trailer recently and he seemed pretty convincing. I like the direction they went in with the character instead of keeping him like Jack Nicholson's Joker. I liked his Joker, but he was more an eccentric Joker than psychotic Joker, and I think that was so kids wouldn't have nightmares. I think this one has the potential to do so.

    Sorry all my posts are so long, I get on a roll and I just keep going sometimes.

    Oh, and Rev, I think they gave Bruce some leeway in Batman Begins with the use of technology. I mean, a cape that turns into glider wings when electricity is introduced? Believable, but just barely. And let's not forget the zip line that pulled Batman (who has to be at least 200 lbs) into the sky with ease from the utility belt on his waist (remember in the movie he cut off the shoulder straps attached to the belt). And some of the things he did during the chase sequence in the Batmobile, well, lets just say they the structural engineering on those buildings he was driving on was fantastic!

    None the less, it doesn't have to be completely believable, at least not to me. I go to these movies to watch my childhood heroes kick ass first and ask questions later. To be honest, I kind of hate the people that sit there right after a movie and pick apart it's flaws because all I'm thinking is "THAT WAS SO FREAKING AWESOME, HOW COULD YOU THINK OTHERWISE?"
  • Reverend
    Whoops! Teach me to proofread. That last little segment needs to be "On my own note... to the new suit are:"

    And the first point should be "You should NOT have to look for a symbol."

    Sorry for double post, I usually just let mistakes fly, but those two kind of change the understanding completely.

    Rev
  • Reverend
    Probably sad that I've kept up with the addition of posts since the first one..

    I address the purists! Being an artist comes with understanding and appreciation of character design in comics; in that, they have to design costumes that are quickily recognized yet easy to draw-- they put out one of these a month! I'm sure many of The Bat's artists would've loved to have detail like that in his suit, but can you imagine remembering all of that and having to draw it every panel? It would get way to clustered and painstaking.

    We keep calling the comic origin people purists, so is the other side of the argument protestants? =P

    Anyway, it's argued that they're adapting it to a "real world" setting. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in context to the comic, the world The Batman lives in is very much real-- to the characters. Why are we forcing The Bat into our world when he has a nice one of his own? In Superman Returns they had Kryptonite, so why can't Gotham have the capabilities of making awesome bulletproof, fireproof, shockproof, ect, ect suits? Kind of a sucker punch for Bruce: "Sorry, we're too stupid to have that kind of technology, so you can't have it either."


    On my own note, the only changes I'd make to the new comic are:
    - My original argument ( symbol needs to be more pronounced-- you should have to LOOK for a SYMBOL! )
    - Cape needs to start on his chest and drape over his shoulders, that was a very unique thing in his character design
    - Ears need to be taller/more noticeabl ( I don't know about you guys, but it was the ears that made his shadow scary as hell in the comics )
    - White glass in eyes! Please! This is so easy to do and adds so much.


    To whomever still reads these comments, be nice =)

    Rev
  • Xavi
    excellent points Mike.. and i do agree with u on most parts. however, it just pains me to see 'Batman' look nohing like 'Batman' in the movies.. all the movies..

    if u check up, none of the Batman movies have been as huge a hit as expected.. and what, now.. there have been 7 or 8 Batman movies.. look at Ironman. and the money that movie has made.. one of the main reasons is that the movie makers did not deviate so much from the original concept..or suit.. yes he has many suit designs.. but the one in the movie is one from the comics.

    therefore, i am sure that if the current Batman movie makers do make a character that is in line with the comic books.. and if he looks more like his DC universe self (which ever self)it would be much better.. not just for the comic book fans, but the mass movie goers in general.. one of the main reasons why he is a superhero in the first place is his ability to do 'super' natural things even though he is human.. and the very fact that he can do the unthinkable with what he's got.. and i dont think that includes full body armour. if u have to make it more believeale as u say for the mass, change the suit completely.. like they did for Batman of the Future.. but dont make the suit look something like the original.. yet completely different.. i just dont see the point.

    i mean.. if u look at it closely, if i was a billionaire industrialist like Bruce Wayne, in the real world.. i would noteven think of putting on a Batsuit.. its just ridiculous!! but if i did.. it would be exactly like the comics. otherwise.. any tom, dick or harry can put on the Batsuit and be Batman..

    My point is BW is Batman because of his own ablilities... its not the suit. unfortunately, u may be right whe u say the mass audience just might not get this.. its just sad
  • Mike
    Xavi, you have to remember that there are more people than just "avid comic book fans" who are going to see this movie. While I agree the armor plating might be a little over the top, I think it's needed in order for it to be believable to the average movie-goer. Batman comic fans know that he doesn't need the armor in order to beat the bad guys, but there are a lot more people who know little to nothing about the character, and are going to think "I don't get it, why didn't they just shoot him in the chest/head/wherever?" Unfortunately, we live in a world of critics that will exploit even the smallest flaw in a movie, so when trying to create a live-action Batman, you have to consider what the non-fanatic critic will think.

    And let's be honest, Batman is one of those characters that's not exactly 100% believable. Not many people can dodge a single bullet, let alone hundreds being fired simultaneously. My point is, even in the wildest of fantasy worlds where a kung-fu trained billionaire fights crime in a incredibly corrupt city hardly worth saving in the first place, there has to be something mildly realistic so that the viewer of said fantasy world can feel some sort of connection. Is it perfectly in line with the comics, no, but there isn't a single comic book movie to date that's done so. Batman's kryptonite (for lack of a better way to put it) is the fact that he's just a regular human that is in great physical shape. He doesn't have super strength, agility, speed, intelligence, endurance, or any kind of super powers whatsoever. If he gets hit by a bullet, he could die, thus he needs a top of the line batsuit to protect him as much as possible. No one can look in all directions at once. So honestly ask yourself, if you are Bruce Wayne, billionaire industrialist with all kinds of great techno-gadgets at your disposal, and you have the choice between a cloth costume or an armored suit with which you have to face off against a completely psychotic, gun/knife wielding Joker, which one are you going to choose? Keep in mind Batman is a non-lethal hero, so he has to subdue his opponents with as few severe injuries to them as possible, and that's not easy when they're firing a seemingly endless barrage of bullets at you.

    Also, yes, we all know he's a stealthy ninja, but it's been 3 years since the last movie, you're average movie-goer has probably forgotten about that by now. I've said it before, unfortunately it's about pleasing the masses, not just the die-hard fans.
  • Xavi
    the worst thing about the suits in the movies is that they do not resemble anything that avid comic books fans would expect. batman is supposed to be dark and mysterious, extremely good at hand-to-hand combat and a brilliant detective. from a physique point of view, batman is supposed to be very tall and built. also, he is extremely fast and very silent. now, with all the armour and a very crappy looking cape and cowl, how is he going to instil fear and fight crime? how will he move.. batman never stops bullets with his suit.. he dodges bullets using his brain.. being one step ahead of his enemies all the time.. the suit is not required to prtect him from bullets!!

    i think a dark and more mysterious, less 'robo-cop' look is necessary and i agree with Adrian.. the movie batman is nothing like what batman comic fans would expect.. it relly does not matter what he would be like in reality.. because in reality, he would not exist!! its just not possible.. so if that is impossible, why make his suit 21st century compatible??
  • JoSh
    Dude...I totaly agree with you,but I don't like the new mask...it doesn't look as intimidating as the one used in Batman Begins...I like the suit though,it allows Batman to move freely,which is important to keep the magic around the character.But is I said,I liked the Batman Begins mask better than this one,this new mask looks like the ones used in the Burton/Schumacher movies...and you could tell that it was only a guy with a mask on,in begins you can see the difference betweeen Bruce Wayne and Batman...they don't eve look like the same person,well,that actually happens with the new mask aswell,but this one seems...not real enough,if you know what I mean.Well,nuff' said.
    Im going to enjoy the movie anyways no matter what the costume looks like xD.
  • Mike
    Kel, as I'm sure you probably already know, they actually did try the grey/black combo in the short film "Batman: Dead End" and it just didn't look right. While the budget for that film was obviously a lot smaller than for "The Dark Knight", but they could have put him in all black if they wanted. My point is that even though it would be closer to the comics for him to be in black/grey, it just wouldn't make sense in the slightly more realistic world they're portraying in TDK.
  • KEL
    You guys only say the black and gray would not work becaue it hasn't been done yet and are used to the Burton tradition.
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