‘Batman vs. Superman’ Movie Is Further Along Than Fans Think

Published 2 years ago by , Updated September 27th, 2013 at 8:42 am,

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The rapidity of DC Comics and Warner Bros.’ production on the upcoming Man of Steel sequel has always been a curious thing.

The film exploded out of Comic-Con 2013 with the headline that it would be the Batman vs. Superman movie fans have been waiting on forever – and it didn’t stop there, either. Not even two months later we got the mega-shocker that Ben Affleck is playing Batman in the movie – information that the Internet is still reeling from. But all of this game-changing news, coming so rapidly, raised a serious question; namely, how was this thing coming together so quickly?

In 20/20 hindsight, the clues were always there: In the weeks leading up to Man of Steel‘s release, star Henry Cavill started openly discussing how cool a Batman/Superman team-up film would be.  As we joked on our Comic Con recap podcast, it should’ve been obvious to all that Cavill (working under the lock-and-stock WB media machine) would’ve never been out making such fanboy-stirring claims in public, if there wasn’t already fire under all the smoke he was blowing.

Seems that assessment was correct, because in a new interview with YahooBatman vs. Superman writer David S. Goyer comes clean about the fact that the film is already more developed than fans think:

“One of the things that has been fun for us, is we’re a bit a further a long than what I think people realize…”

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That’s certainly good news for people who have been worried that the turnaround time – a fall 2013 production start to the summer 2015 release date - was going to be too rushed, at the ultimate expense of the movie. Clearly, from Goyer’s words, work on this film has been underway for some time, most likely ever since we heard those pre-Man of Steel rumblings that WB was confident it had a hit on its hands and had fast-tracked the sequel.

Goyer’s claim is also likely to challenge those who were unabashedly cynical when the Dark Knight Trilogy/Man of Steel scribe recently claimed that the epic destruction caused during that controversial Man of Steel ending was something they had always planned to address in a sequel. Of course, the one major downside to all this progress on the movie is that if the story for Batman vs. Superman was indeed locked in as far back as late spring/early summer, it means that none of our great suggestions for the film’s storyline are going to be utilized!

The… “helpfulness” of the Internet masses is something Goyer definitely addresses, when discussing why you CANNOT engage the Web when it comes to writing your superhero movie:

“From a fan point of view, we’re conscious of that when you’re working on these things, but you can’t let yourself be paralyzed by that. At the end of the day you still have to creat something. And if you try and think, ‘Well what would the fans like’ then you stop being creative. It’s sort of like where does it end? You have to write the story that you want to write, and hope that people want to see it.”

….And therein lies the big gamble: Do Zack Snyder and Goyer have a Batman/Superman movie that people want to see?

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Things started off promising with the movie being announced by a famous quote from Frank Miller’s seminal story “The Dark Knight Returns” - but Goyer’s script work remains a thing of much fan debate, in terms of quality. The filmmakers had enough gravitas in their story to pull in a star like Affleck, who – coming of an Argo Oscar win – doesn’t need to have this sort of aggravation in his life, so interpret that how you will. I personally choose to see the assemblage of talent as a hopeful sign that great things are in store for a movie that deserves no less than greatness.

There’s more to the interview with Goyer – including him talking about the challenge of executing a seemingly-absurd battle like Batman vs. Superman. Click the link below to watch the full video:


WATCH VIDEO: David S. Goyer Talks Batman vs. Superman



Batman vs. Superman will be in theaters on July 17, 2015.

Source: Yahoo

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  1. Go DC go!!!

    • You guys bashing this have to have faith in that Afleck is a geek. He is one of us. He gets it. I’m sure he had input on daredevil but at that time he didn’t have the cred that he has now. I’m sure he’ll be ale to put his influence on this film and make it better. I for one have my fingers crossed.

  2. I agree with him about pandering to the internet because I’ve been there before, putting limits on my own creativity to please certain groups of people and ending up with a horrendous pile of crap on my hands that I wished I’d never started.

    • o you are some big screenwriter huh?

      • @drips

        Nope but I am a short story writer (unpublished) and songwriter (working on two albums currently, should be in the studio by December) and have been asked advice on how to write relatable and three-dimensional characters as well as other things.

        Nowhere near the level of those who get paid big money for it but it’s funny how your defense mechanism kicked in to instantly insult someone who has probably done more in life than you have.

        Do something you love, even if it’s just as an unpaid hobby at first. You won’t come across as being so jealous next time. Plus you’ll feel fulfilled.

        • What kinda music are writing?

          • are you*

        • Best of luck on the albums!

        • I am also a writer, and I am also unpublished, currently writing my first novel. What do you write? I’m into horror/drama/science fiction.

          Perhaps that is why I enjoy reading what you have to say on these stories? Due to the grammar and correct spelling.

          What kinda music do you write?

        • neckbeard detected

    • The fanboys make the most noise, bring a tiny fraction of ticket sales, and are never happy.

      If I was filthy rich, I would go seek out the most critical Green Lantern (or insert any comic property here) fans, give them 913 million dollars, and tell them to make a Green Lantern movie. I would bet another 913 million dollars it would be the worst comic adaptation ever.

      • @JB

        I was highly critical of Green Lantern but wouldn’t take the challenge because I don’t know the characters or the lore to pull off something that would be satisfying.

        I do know that whoever wrote that horrendous movie needed to try not to cram in so much and develop the characters and plot a little more while saving some material for a sequel.

        I also know that you shouldn’t use that same, tired old cliche of “You do it then” because it shows a complete lack of originality and gives a tone of someone trying to be condescending but coming across as foolish and naive instead.

      • @ JB

        I’ve got to agree with Dazz here. It’s a pretty condescending thing to say. I’m a big comic fan and I didn’t really GL either. It was close enough to canon to work but the script was bad and everything looked too CGI. I would suggest you give Neil Blomkamp or Del Torro that $913 million you’ve got in your pocket and I bet you’d get a GL movie even the die hard fans would love. “Fanboys” aren’t impossible to please. I’ll give you picky, but people are always picky about things they care about. Some of the characters are almost 100 years old. There’s history there and history that needs to be appreciated. I don’t wanna see a carbon copy of every comic story just put on screen. On the other hand, I don’t want to see Wolverine Origins. Aside from being absolutely nothing like canon in any way except the year he discovered his powers, it was a badly made movie. I’d rather a movie like The Dark Knight Rises, which I didn’t like but was still successful and garnered more appreciation for the character, than Batman and Robin. Don’t be so narrow in your view of other people.

      • Giving a ton of money to a complete novice is not proving anything. You’re basically saying that someone can’t criticize a chef’s food unless they’re a cook. GL wasn’t a good film. Does that mean some nobody could’ve slapped together a better movie? Maybe but probably not. But they’re probably other professionals who could’ve done the film better

      • challenge accepted! i know it wouldnt cost that much to get it made, so i’m already ahead, and i would just hire the best people to get it done, and viola, i just kept half of the 913 mill, and will make another 913 when you have to pay the bet. movies do not cost 900 mill to make. i can imagine what blomkamp, curon, or take your pick, could do with a 450 mil budget.
        i would take the 913 you lost on the bet, and give it to feige and whedon, and tell them to go make planet hulk now.

      • First of all 913 million dollars!!??? For that money someone could simply oversee and hire people. Like Dazz said, I don’t know all the GL stories, but I could hire people who do. That’s a lot of money. It wouldn’t guarantee a good movie, but it sure could help one.

        I actually don’t care for quite a few SH movies, like MOS and ASM. And if you had said either of those I might agree (although, again, dat’s a lotta money so I might try). But Green Lantern? Sorry, but I would definitely take you up on that bet. I like Martin Campbell and most of the actors, but that whole movie felt like an out of control, overstuffed, run by committee disaster.

        Obviously this is a hypothetical, but I really think that movie went way way way overboard on cramming too much GL lore into it. I, first of all, would have made a movie only with Hal Jordan, on Earth without all the space travel and mention of the corps. And probably I’d have made it a little more comic by having Hal Jordan not know how to use his powers (wouldn’t go as far as Jack Black).

        Honestly, the FF movies were a lot better than GL. Daredevil was better. Cat Woman and Ghost Rider were probably better, but I didn’t see them. Really that is a low bar you set.

    • Also, I had a horrendous pile of crap on my hands one time too, but it involved my newborn and changing a diaper.

  3. Honestly, everything I hear about this movie just makes me even more excited! I’m really going to have to work on my expectations before going to see it, just in case…

  4. At the end of the day you still have to creat something. And if you try and think, ‘Well what would the fans like’ then you stop being creative. It’s sort of like where does it end? You have to write the story that you want to write, and hope that people want to see it.”

    I do totally agree with this. Yes it’s hit and miss, but that’s kinda always the case with art that aspires to be good – it requires risk taking, lest it becomes formulaic “and the shadow of boring, that is”.

    I can’t express more than hope that this film will be good, but I’m glad Goyer is keeping himself grounded and sticking to his game plan. I hope Zimmer will give clarity soon on whether he’ll return and I really hope he does. But mostly I just really wonder what exactly the Batman will be they have in mind and why it got to Affleck so much.

    • I’m also glad he has that state of mind. As much as I love all the character’s interpretations on and off the screen, I don’t want to see the same thing, whether it’s on the big screen or not.

      • The best films are indeed films that have a level of reinvention to them. To me, MoS was a great example of that. To many others (sidestepping my personal feelings) so did the first Iron Man. Avengers presenting something new in reinventing interaction between characters, equally refreshing. The best stuff has a new edge to it that reinvigorates the franchise. Nolan could do it, Favreau did, Whedon did, Snyder did. The DK trilogy, Iron Man, Avengers and Man of Steel were milestones in CB films. Now let’s see if Snyder and Goyer can manage to add another by opening up the DCU.

        • Exactly, same with X-Men I find, thought not as huge I don’t think. Instead of adapting material, I’m glad they’re adding fresh material to the franchises, keeping everyone including the die hard fans on their toes.

          • Yeah frig, I should’ve put Singer in there before Nolan. X1 and X2 definitely were revolutionary especially for their time. Sorry about that.

      • That’s why we’ve had several Bond authors (new book released yesterday in the UK too0.

        Different takes on classic and well known characters helps because if one person hates that iteration, someone else will enjoy it and that makes for a richer character overall.

        I can only equate it currently to a musician only listening to one style of music and then their output reflects that and becomes niche and “samey” instead of having all these wonderful layers and textures.

        Devin Townsend for example went from extreme metal to rock with a gospel choir backing and everything in between (including a quieter album with prominent flute music). Makes each album a journey rather than a chore to listen to the same thing over and over again.

  5. I think what Goyer is saying is very true. It must be difficult to create something innovative and fresh when looking at what the public and fans want. Exactly why The Dark Knight was so successful. If Nolan and the team referenced the fans, who knows what kind of Joker we’d end up with.

    I’m betting this film was in development since mid-end of last year. Reason being, wasn’t Man of Steel already scripted and filmed for a 2012 release? So they may have had plenty of time to jump start the sequel.

  6. In before comments go to 10 pages.


    • +33


  7. Btw that’s actually one of the better mockups of Batffleck. Where did you guys find that?

    • True, it looks pretty good. It looks like it’s thick leather or something.

      • Not leather but…ah I can’t pinpoint the material.

        • It looks like the same or a photoshopped variation on the Batman Begins cowl.

        • kevlar?

        • Carbon Fiber with a coating?

        • HOCKEY PADS!

          • lol

  8. well, maybe now they start to develop the Justice League movie soon with Ben as the director. If they were so confident in Man of Steel being a hit, there is no reason to think Superman vs Batman/World’s Finest will be a (financial) flop. Everyone knows this movie will be watched by the entire world, no matter what.

  9. Then why wasn’t there a post-credit scene in Man Of Steel showing Batman?

    • cause that’s a marvel thing ;)

    • Is that a requirement now?

      • +1
        The post credit scenes are cool and all but every comic book film doesn’t have to have that lol.

  10. An honest question, how far do you guys think the brand names will take this film? I mean if it isn’t all that, let’s say a mediocre film, does anyone think it will still make crazy bank or would the ratings turn off a good chuck of the audience? I know I wouldn’t go see it if I see reviews saying 4/10 or something. I think the main reason why The Avengers was such a huge success is because it had great reviews ahead of the release.

    • I think the worst this film could do is be slightly under mediocre. If it’s great it might become the highest grossing film ever (main two competitors are Avengers 2 and Star Wars VII, obviously). If it’s okay to mediocre I expect it to do neat. if it’s really bad I expect it to do somewhat neat as well because I think people will want to see that debacle for themselves.

      The only way this film bombs is if there’s nothing that makes it stand out to people. But that’s VERY hard to do if you have these two names in one film for the first time. So if they manage to not go overboard on the budget, I’d say getting into the black is almost a given.

      I can see the trailers somewhat making or breaking this film, because if Batffleck sucks than this movie is going to crash and burn harshly. Actually, I’d say the film’s success will largely depend on the perception of Affleck’s Batman, even if that’s completely irrational and unjustified towards the film. I think people will boycott the whole film if Ben screws up according to the masses.

      • I think the same about the trailer. If it doesn’t stand out or offer something solid, it’ll most likely hurt the film in a huge way. Affleck has to be on point as well. It’ll end with a great box office either way but for it to be record breaking, Affleck, quality and trailers need to be hit out of the park.

        • Jep. Affleck brought in a lot of baggage to a franchise that has a lot of loyalty to the previous incarnation. That’s a really risky combination. First impressions will make or break a lot with the audience that can potentially deliver this film high region grosses.

          Just his suit alone could significantly impact this film’s success. TDK’s suit set the bar high in terms of people taking him seriously. Now put Affleck in there, that’s gonna be a flammable situation.

          • With Affleck’s build, I think the suit will look that much more awesome. He’s going to be a tower compared to everyone else (maybe not Cavil aha).

            • I agree, Affleck actually does really have the fysique down so long as he puts on a bit more muscle.

              I can’t imagine him being more bad ass than Bale in TDK though… I just hope they go a very different route, because Bale in that TDK suit is just so beast. It’s like Kevin Smith said, when you see him in that suit you actually believe he could dive right into a skyscraper through the glass and get up right away and start OHKOing people.

              I hope Affleck can find his own way into making his version of Batman believable like that.

    • +1.

      I think one can go pretty far with icons like Batman and Superman. However, they need to make sure its a damn good movie because even if they think that the names alone will be able to bring an audience in, a second week dropoff could still happen if the movie isn’t where it should be in terms of quality (which happened to some extent with Man of Steel).

      • +1
        I think the second week will be the deciding factor of whether or not it ends with a high box office run. Anyway, I don’t know why I’m talking about box office aha, I just hope the film is good.

  11. Zach snyder is a perfect example of filmmaker who makea films he wants. Not of his films have found massive critical praise but what snyder does best is make his films and he finds his fan. I love MOS, 300 and Watchmen but i know many who dont

    • I will back up you bro. I support Snyder a lot. 300 is awesome and Man of Steel and Watchmen are some of the best comic book movies in my opinion. Haters can hate all they want but those 2 films are fantastic.

  12. Still think they should have threatened to black ball Christian Bale in order to reprise his role as the caped crusader muwhahahahaha.

    • Dude, Bale would kick the s*** out of them. Bale could black ball them man.XD

  13. Kofi Outlaw asks an excellent question in this article which is “And therein lies the big gamble: Do Zack Snyder and Goyer have a Batman/Superman movie that people want to see?” I’m leery.

    One thing I do not understand is Goyer’s quote “And if you try and think, ‘Well what would the fans like’ then you stop being creative.”

    I disagree with this statement because it’s clear that Joss Whedon thinks like this and he made the greatest superhero film of all time in The Avengers. More and more I get the impression that Goyer & Snyder might be a little full of themselves.

    • I think the essential difference is Whedon is a fan alike many others himself. I don’t at all think Whedon actively tries to do what others want just because others want it. He does what he would want to see and he trusts in his own fandom. And obviously that has served him well.

      Art is not a democracy, it really isn’t and it really shouldn’t be. If you have a clear vision of what you wanna do I think you should stick to that and simply accept whether it will or will not resonate with people. I think Whedon’s strength is that he really is a geek and fan of this material himself. But so are Snyder and Goyer, that much has been proven as far as I’m concerned.

      • Exactly. Whedon doesn’t sit up at night worrying what the geeks will think. He just geeks out himself and lets it flow.

      • +1
        Very geeky but he still knows he can’t rehash previous material.

        • Something something Hank Pym something something Whedons age of ultron something something tony stark now

        • Actually I read your comment wrong, sorry bout that. Ignore my previous reply.

          • I was a bit confused aha

    • Chuck, that’s merely you opinion that the Avengers is the greatest comic book movie of all time. I, and many others, disagree with you.

    • Chuck, that’s merely your opinion that the Avengers is the greatest comic book movie of all time. I, and many others, disagree with you.

  14. “From a fan point of view, we’re conscious of that when you’re working on these things, but you can’t let yourself be paralyzed by that. At the end of the day you still have to create something. And if you try and think, ‘Well what would the fans like’ then you stop being creative. It’s sort of like where does it end? You have to write the story that you want to write, and hope that people want to see it.”

    You lose some claim to complete creativity when you are making an adaptation, son. You have have to keep in mind the history of the property you are adapting, and respect that history and the fans relationship to the property…

    Oh wait, its David Goyer – never mind, just make some s*** up.

    • +1

    • I don’t think they lose much creativity when basing the movie on a comic book character. Instead of looking at the history, timeline, names and all that, you look at the mentality and motives of the characters. When looking at that specifically, I think you can open a limitless number of doors to offer new and innovative takes on the character, ones that audiences have never seen, yet still keep the soul and meaning of the character intact.

      • Good point.

  15. Liar!

    The only reason WB is trotting out Batman AGAIN is for a cash grab.

    If Goyer and company had any spine, and they really didn’t care about fan popularity (ticket sales) at the box office, they would make an Aqua Man movie…. A Wonder Woman movie….. A Flash movie….. AND Green Lantern 2!!

    Not just Batman and Superman over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and……..

    • People keep saying all they’re doing Superman and Batman yet when you look at their track record, Green Lantern was done in 2011 = bomb, Jonah Hex = bomb. Arrow = success and now leading to Flash. They’re taking risks but if it doesn’t pay off, they’re obviously not going to follow it up. If you were a business, would you? If it does succeed, they do follow up, hence Arrow leading to Flash.

      • is*

      • Heustis rambles the same bs every post. Last post you talked about how terrible WB is. Coldsc and i clearly stated WB impressive oscar track record and heustis dissapeared. Once again using the term cash grab is irrelevent because every movie is a cash grab. Why did the mcu get created? For cash. Lotr? Cash. Its all about money and to say that WB is wrong in wanting to make money makes you seem like you dont understanf a business. They made move to differentiate themselves from a proven winning formula, which marvel is using. Thats risky enough for

        • @ Trey&Coldsc

          Well put

    • “Not just Batman and Superman over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and……..”

      …I know we are supposed to refrain from personal attacks…

      but people who post s**t like this need to be punched in the face.

      You are just soooooooo right, this is the millionth gillianth time we have seen a live action Batman vs Superman on the big screen.

      Thank you for your professional observation.

  16. I know it’s just Photoshop, but that picture of Affleck in a cowl looks dope as hell.

  17. Honestly I am glad Affleck is in, because Chris Nolan left the film and i bet Goyer needed Another great writer to help with this film and he got Ben Affleck for double parts. I mean if you guys see Ben Affleck in a good photoshopped Batman your going to think he looks Badass. I think this film will be great because of Snyders amazing action and goyers and afflecks writing MOS was a great film, but its picked out so much.

  18. When I hear of all these news and put them into context, it definitely seems that this has been the plan for a long time.

    There is a lot of confidence in this film as it seems. I mean WB knew Ben Affleck would cause a myriad of news, good and bad, and they are confident to continue. Snyder has been looking for Batman way before the Man of Steel film was even in released.

    Some may ask why aren’t there more clues then in Man of Steel to signal what is to come. I respond that perhaps the filmmakers want you, the audience, to focus solely on what is occurring on screen, not wondering what is going on someplace off screen. A major complaint that was mentioned by fans and general movie goers surrounding Iron Man 3- where was the rest of Avengers or even SHIELD.

    I like the approach and confidence.

    To Goyer’s comment: I agree. As long as Goyer and the filmmakers are able to capture the basic essential qualities of these characters, all is fair.

    Now one aspect of Man of Steel that did prevent the film from being better- and I list the film as on the better/best comic book films- is that while the script succeeded in tackling the essence, the roots, the origins, and the evolution of the character and bringing forward many new elements to the story, some elements of the scriptwork could have used some polishing up.

    Snyder excellent casting and vision definitely translated the story well but there was weakness in execution in some parts of the script that could have furthered the emotional, and inspirational tale of the alien that saved humanity from his own kind.

    So, I agree with Goyer statement because he has done it before. Artist should be allowed to present different takes and take risk as long they respect the core essential qualities of their creation. It keeps the story interesting and surprising, not basic and formulaic. Goyer has great ideas and directions, so does Snyder.

    Now the only necessary ingredient is a storyteller than can oversee and polish up the execution of those great ideas into a solid satisfying script that executes those ideas to the best of its potential.

    Ben Affleck could be that force, I am not sure. But with him joining the cast, genre, production after initially not being sold or interested (as a filmmaker/actor) is a great sign. Snyder really enjoys collaboration. Hopefully it happens.

    Ben Affleck, he is the face of Gotham’s (and DC’s) bright future.

  19. Btw, nobody seems to have talked about this yet here, but I watched the video of Goyer actually saying these quotes, and it’s interesting he explicitly mentions the problem behind Batman being strategic, but Superman being so overpower compared to him. I really hope we’ll get to see a lot of psychological battles in MoS2, because it seems to me MoS and the Superman they presented was very much about trust and I think that’s a trust Batman will not share. At all.

    This film could be so awesome if it really delves into one method versus the other – one outlook on life versus the other. In that sense, the title ‘Superman versus Batman’ actually has some cool layers to it. Because it’s one ideal stacked up against another. I can so see this work and the film being about them having not just come together because of a common threat, but actually have to find a way to live in the same world together and having to find away to let their different ideals and methods co-exist, or somehow fuse or whatever.

    Think about it. These two heroes, people, are so vastly different. They’re almost opposites in every way except their end goal of protecting the innocent. If you think about it it’s actually hard to see how it wouldn’t clash (at first).

  20. Jennifer Garder as Diana Prince? not shocking I would bet

    • That’s my worst fear since Ben got cast, right there. That she will work her way into this DCU.

      • Affleck has NEVER cast his wife in any of his own movies (ARgo, Town, Gone Baby Gone). So I DOUBT he’d start now

  21. I just hope that, if they have indeed been working on it longer than expected, that by the time it’s released, they will have surely come up with a more creative title than “Batman vs. Superman.”

    • I think World’s Finest will be a better title

  22. Is this really a surprise? Originally MOS was to come out in the Winter of 2012 but WB wanted a summer tentpole movie for 2013. Considering WB planned to build a franchise around MOS, you would think they would have spent time working on the sequel with the extra months they had.

  23. “At the end of the day you still have to create something. And if you try and think, ‘Well what would the fans like’ then you stop being creative. It’s sort of like where does it end? You have to write the story that you want to write, and hope that people want to see it.”

    So much wisdom in these words; something I need to try and remember in my own film/tv career.

    If you try to please everybody, you please nobody. I have experience dealing with the vocal crusaders (radio broadcasting) and I can tell you they are usually coming from such an extreme position that the vast majority of your audience would have no clue what their points and issues are.

    People absorbing media of any type want to be entertained… period. When it comes to film/tv, they want good stories and compelling characters. Fanboys will gripe about mythos, origins, etc., but the remaining 99.9% of the world just want a really good time in front of the screen.

  24. I think the trailers will win everyone over, not saying this movie is going to be the best ever, but IMO the MOS trailers just got better and better and better and it met my expectations although not the case for alot of other people.

  25. Me hopes that they are also further along in planning the introduction of Wonder Woman as well.

    • I hope so as well. I’m rooting for Jaimie Alexander, Alexandra Daddario, or Gina Carano.

  26. it’s a difficult battle especially in a art…my background is music so do you experiment? try something new? or give what the people want, its tough but it gets easier when your making money hahha

  27. Basically, he labeled every person who isn’t running the camera or writing the script uncreative.

    I like WB. I like DC. I hate it whenever Goyer opens his mouth because he always says the wrong things.

    • How? O.o

    • Where are you getting that from? He’s saying you can’t listen to fans because listening to fans does impede the creative process. Case in point Spiderman 3. Sam Rami wanted to do Vulture for the villain, the studio said Venom because the FANS are demanding him… Look what happened there. If studios listend to fans we wouldn’t have had Heath Ledger’s Joker. If Marvel listend to fans we would have had Triple H (the wrestler) as Thor. You can even say Man of Steel was a result of fan demands because for years fans have complained that “Superman never punches anyone bla bla bla” WEll what did the WB give them Superman leveling a city and everyone’s pissed because of it. FILMMAKERS SHOULD NEVER LISTEN TO FAN Demands.

  28. There’s too many super hero films and it’s getting worse by the week.

    • I disagree with you. Also, how many CBM are made shouldn’t affect you in the slightest.

  29. I am really looking forward to this movie. Even if it doesn’t live up to expectations. I’m just glad to these two characters in the same movie.