‘Avengers’ Voted ‘Most Overrated Movie of 2012′; Cronenberg on Comic Films: Not High Art

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Both Marvel and DC saw superhero success at the 2012 box office – with The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises raking in $1.5 billion  and $1.08 billion worldwide respectively. Moviegoers young and old turned out in droves to see Joss Whedon’s Avengers team-up movie and, two months later, Christopher Nolan’s trilogy-ending showdown between Batman and Bane – with many fans returning for second, third, and fourth viewings of the high profile comic book offerings. Buzz for both films was overwhelmingly positive, causing many industry insiders to debate whether or not either mainstream comic book adaptation might see a “Best Picture” nomination from The Academy (or, at the very least, similar award shows offerings). After all, we are living in a world where Heath Ledger won an Oscar for portraying the Clown Prince of Crime.

Still, it doesn’t sound as though everyone is basking in the summer 2012 comic book movie afterglow – as a new online poll overwhelmingly dubbed Avengers the “Most Overrated Movie of 2012″ while fan-favorite director David Cronenberg clarified controversial comments about Nolan’s Batman trilogy and subsequently asserted that comic book films are “incredibly limited.”

Big box office dollars do not always equate to quality filmmaking – so it’s fair to criticize even the most successful films for being “overrated” or “creatively limited.” However, a more likely explanation for the discrepancy is a subjective definition of what makes a “good” movie. It’s a debate that we see a lot in the comments here at Screen Rant, the difference between “artistry” and “entertainment” – where some moviegoers might consider Avengers to be the most enjoyable film experience of 2012 despite falling short of the “artistic integrity” of “sophisticated” films like Lincoln and Argo.

Let’s start with those Los Angeles Times online poll results for “The Most Overrated Movie of 2012″:

  • The Avengers – 85.39%
  • Prometheus – 4.62%
  • Ted – 3.03%
  • Cloud Atlas – 2.38%
  • The Master – 1.78%
  • Project X – 1.78%
  • Brave – 1.02%

Admittedly, sample size and respondent demographics are not shown – making it impossible to know whether or not the poll (which has since been closed) is statistically significant. Online polls are hardly the most reliable form of sampling but the discrepancy between The Avengers and second place Prometheus, is certainly striking. As a result, the gap could be largely due to expectations – especially after the film enjoyed the biggest opening of all time.

Still, despite numerous fun moments and eye-popping visuals, there were moviegoers who sat down for the Marvel mash-up film and felt overwhelmed by the amount of alienating shared universe story material (had they missed any of the Phase One tie-ins) and, taking off our rose-tinted 2012 glasses, The Avengers (like The Dark Knight Rises) also saw its share of plot holes and underdeveloped side-elements. Still, looking at the numbers, it’s hard to avoid the sense that some casual moviegoers who had initially been Avengers-crazy have cooled on the film since its May debut.

Frankly, considering the persistent (and vocal) backlash surrounding Ridley Scott’s return to the Alien universe (read our review), we’d have expected Prometheus (love it or hate it) to have snagged a much higher percentage of the poll.

Prometheus Directors Cut Refused Original Script Avengers Voted Most Overrated Movie of 2012; Cronenberg on Comic Films: Not High Art

Maybe the discrepancy isn’t so much the quality of The Avengers film but the limitations of its source material? Is it possible that even the most successful comic book movie of all time, for many moviegoers, is still only going to be considered an average-quality film overall? That seems to be the foundation of David Cronenberg’s argument that comic book movies have “limited” creative and artistic potential.

As mentioned, in a Playlist interview Cronenberg first contextualizes some controversial comments he previously made about Nolan’s Batman films but goes on to assert that, even though the comic book adaptation genre has seen some unique and creative work, it’s held-back from being “the highest level of cinematic art” by adolescent-inspired source material:

“What I was saying was that a comic book movie is really a comic book movie. Comic books were — especially those comic books which I was raised on (I loved Captain Marvel) — created for adolescents and they have a core that is adolescent [...] To me, that limits the discourse of your movie if you’re basing it accurately on that, and you cannot rise to the highest level of cinematic art. That’s my take on it. I went on to say that, of course, technically they can be incredibly interesting, since there are very clever people making the movie and of course have a lot of money they are throwing at it. But creatively, artistically, they are incredibly limited.”

Few people will claim that Avengers is “the highest level of cinematic art” but, in conjunction with the Los Angeles Times poll, Cronenberg’s generalization about “limited” discourse in the larger comic book movie genre (not to mention its future potential) draws interesting parallels. Many fans will first dispute Cronenberg’s argument by pointing to the fact that his critically-acclaimed 2005 film, A History of Violence, was adapted from John Wagner and Vince Locke’s 1997 graphic novel of the same name – meaning that the director’s point “comic books were created for adolescents” is an argument over the blurry line between “comic book” and “graphic novel” semantics. As a result, it’s possible, if Cronenberg was challenged with a less-campy set of comic book reading material (i.e. NOT Captain Marvel), he might also discover there’s room for other (and more mature) discourses in the genre.

Banes Mask in The Dark Knight Rises Avengers Voted Most Overrated Movie of 2012; Cronenberg on Comic Films: Not High Art

Nevertheless, the combination of the Los Angeles Times poll and Cronenberg’s comments paint a similar picture – for now, at least, moviegoers and filmmakers seem content to shell out box office revenue and understated praise for the comic book movie genre but, at the same time, will not actually champion the integrity or overall quality of the subsequent superhero content. 2013 isn’t likely to change a lot of minds either: Superman (Man of Steel), Iron Man (Iron Man 3), Wolverine (The Wolverine), and Thor (Thor: The Dark World), while among our most-anticipated films, are some of the more over-the-top or super-powered characters in the current genre landscape – i.e. unlikely to deliver the perfect blend of epic and emotionally impactful character moments that will silence proponents of the “comic book movies cannot be art” perspective.

Let us know what you think of the comic book movie “quality” debate in the comments as well as vote in our recreated Los Angeles Times‘ “Most Overrated Movie of 2012″ poll below. NOTE: We used the same choices as the LA Times poll for the sake of comparison (meaning that the Screen Rant writers and editors don’t necessarily agree with the assembled Times choices):

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Sources: Los Angeles TimesThe Playlist

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  1. You got to be KIDDING me! “High art?” Look, as far as depth goes, it’s obvious TDKR was leaps and bounds above Avengers, but that’s not what people go to the theaters for in droves, they go to be entertained, and if you wanted entertainment over sadness, you would have surely chosen Marvel over DC this year!!!

    • Sadness? Apart from a highly flawed final battle, TDKR is one of those seldom films that truly re-ignites my spirits completely. In case you didn’t notice, Batman wins, but he does it by overcoming a tremendous trauma. The avengers do it by killing moronic aliens we know nothing about. I know what I relate to more, I can tell you that. (And that’s coming from a big sci-fi fan to boot.) The Avengers was extremely shallow and barely more engaging than Transformers to me. (And that’s coming from a fan of lots of Marvel characters, to boot.)

      TDKR wasn’t less entertaining then The Avengers because it dealt with heavy stuff. It was less entertaining to many people, because they find movies that ask for more brainpower than “HELLA SICK DUDE” tiring. Talk about sad.

      Now TDKR has its flaws, and Avengers has its strengths, both for sure, but to say that TDKR is in general less entertainment than Avengers is not only utter BS, it’s also a mark of a very hollow and short-sighted definition of what entertainment is.

      • Did anyone, at any time in the Avengers, feel that one of them may be in mortal danger? That Loki and the aliens may take one of them out or at least had a good plan to invade Earth other than “shoot everything”?

        I seriously thought that in TDKR…that maybe, just maybe, that it was not going to be all wine and roses for Mr Wayne at the end. I didn’t feel that way in The Avengers. The Chitauri had as good of aim as a cross-eyed Stormtrooper!

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  2. Obviously no one saw “Batman rises for a really long time and in a really boring story”. It was the most over hyped piece of garbage I have unfortunately chosen to sit through since Titanic. Love Nolan, would gladly pay $10.00 to recoup those 3 wasted hours of my life.

    • And Sorry can’t vote since you left this gorged fat pig of a silly movie off the plate.

      • As mentioned in the article, we intentionally only included films that were in the LA Times poll – to see how our readers would compare.

      • Maybe ya should go watch it again because it was leaps and bounds ahead of the crap feat Avengers

        • He must’ve gotten lost between Bane’s impression of a drunk cyborg Sean Connery, the horrid plot holes of the final battle, Bale’s abhorrent voice for batman and Talia al Ghul stripping Bane’s character of most everything he had for a comic book reference.
          I’ve never been that disappointed in a movie until TDKR

          • I have watched it three times and their are actually very few plot holes. No more than the Avengers, it’s called listening to the dialogue. I have no problem with banes voice, I don’t understand the problem with it. I like Bales bat voice always have. I may agree with you on the last point

  3. Agreed. Just like Nolan is overrated. However, both movies were both entertaining, for different reasons. :)

  4. I agree that it was overrated. I mean, I had a hard time putting it in my top 10. (it landed at 10 lol) But, it’s not because I hated it or thought it sucked or anything. I liked it just fine. It was entertaining and well made and also well acted. I thought Whedon did a fantastic job pulling it all together. Im just plain and simply more of a Batman and Spider Man fan then anything related to The Avenger’s. Also, I thought there were far more better films released.

  5. Cloud Atlas was THE WORST

    • It was overhyped not overrated.

      • Eww hated cloud atlas lol

        • How can CA be overrated? Everyone hated it and dissed it. I loved it though.

  6. I thought it was overrated even tho I liked it. Sorry to all those out there, just because it got Voted “most overrated” doesn’t mean you guys should hate on TDKR.

    • No hate here for TDKR. It was my #1 film of 2012.

      • Nice :) me it was my #2, #1 being Skyfall. But I didn’t mean you lol you know how people are start bashing, but I guess it’s their opinion so Irespect that.

        • Oh I know you didn’t mean me, lol… and yes I know how people can get, but like you said, it’s their opinion and I don’t hate on anyone for their opinions on things, especially film choices. To each their own.

          • @James
            Right you are :)

            • I was going to put TDKR as my number one but Skyfall is so good. Difficult choice

  7. Okay, what? I do agree to a certain extent, but Super Hero films are not overrated because we live in a world where it seems justice and law is ignored by those supposedly are supposed to uphold. Where the criminals are victims and the victims are criminals. And our representation in government is not there.

    Many people are looking for hope and that’s why they love super hero films, science fiction films like Star Wars and Star Trek. Because good will always triumph over evil.

  8. Apples and Oranges… C’mon. It’s like comparing a luxury car to a sports car. They both have fans, enthusiasts, fanbois, and collectors. But they both get you from point A to point B…

  9. comic book movies cant be deep and they’re limited emotionally? Has this dude read/heard of v for vendetta or watchmen? or even the aforementioned graphic novel he based a movie on. I think he’s generalizing comic books to the campy classic stuff, which is great.. but its one thing to read the original silly batman comics, its another thing to read stuff like frank millers the dark knight returns which portrays something a whole lot darker and deeper.

    and why do people bag on avengers with this “its no tour de force!” stuff? I thought it was an achievement. The inner struggle of Banner with the hulk was just as interesting and “emotionally deep” as anything I’ve seen in recent memory, imo…

  10. I feel like Cronenberg’s argument is based on an incredibly limited definition of comic book. Sure, some were written for adolescents back in their early days (although 30% of ALL printed material shipped to military bases during World War II was comic books) but so were TV shows and novels.

    Look at Nolan’s films: heavily influenced by The Dark Knight Returns, Knightfall, No Man’s Land, and even The Killing Joke – all comic books specifically NOT aimed at younger audiences.

    I don’t blame him for being a bit out of touch with what kinds of storytelling is going on in some major titles, since most people who aren’t in the community aren’t. But read Saga, Sandman, Swamp Thing, and any other Vertigo title and maybe realize your statements needs to be a bit more specific, not generalized.

    Cronenberg summed it up perfectly: if you think comic book movie means a limited range of artistic interpretation and legitimacy, then you’ve got a narrow definition. Not the other way around.

    • Hear, hear! :)

    • ^^^
      what he said

    • It’s not an argument as much as an opinion, and in some ways at this point in the game it’s valid. The whole marketing term Comic Book Movie now has a certain image and expectation attached to it due to the financial success of the Avengers in particular. There have been movies based on comic books for years, some of which the general movie going public didn’t even know came from comics (the original Crow and Blade for example). Right now aside from what Nolan did with his Batman movies the studios and some segment of the casual movie going audience see these movies as the sci-fi/special effect flavor of the moment now that space movies, and tween wizard and vampire movies have run their course.

      All the examples of graphic novels that have been adapted given show the contrast between movies that are done based on a story from one medium that just attempts to tell that story, and movies that have to encapsulate decades of source material into something people will sit through in a theater. The more recognizable characters at this point are marketing tools and I doubt there will ever be a rated R comic based movie based on a Marvel or DC property again, even if some of the material warrants it. I think that is what Cronernberg is getting at with the limits on these films at this point. It is why everyone complains they haven’t done a really visceral Wolverine portrayal yet, why Deadpool will probably never happen, and why a story like the Spider-man/Kraven suicide arc would never make it into a film.

      Comic book movies are literary and figuratively a Disney ride at this point. They are meant to be fast, fun and over so quickly people have to go see them again the next summer.

  11. First of all: I appreciate Marvel as well as DC.

    For obvious reasons I had to watch “Avengers” and “Dark Knight Rises” and if you ask me, there’s a very clear winner: Dark Knight Rises.

    The “Avengers” was entertaining, no doubt about it. Even more, I was surprised how well Whedon was able to handle so many superheros in one movie. Nevertheless, I would describe it as a classic superhero movie: Fun and colorful.

    But “Dark Knight Rises”… It’s waaaaaaayyyy better. In general I appreciate what Nolan did with his Dark Knight Trilogy: A dark and – at least quite – realistic approach with interesting characters and social critical subjects.

    • True and very good points…but all in all these are movies based off of comic books. I’m sure Marvel / Disney is liking the results of this overrated movie to the bank.

  12. No idea why Project X is included in this list.

    Awful, awful movie.

  13. Here comes an explosion of arguments.

  14. Yeah project x got a 23% its accuratly rated

  15. While I disagree 100% about The Avengers being voted as the most overrated movie of 2012 I’m not at all surprised because this always happens…
    As soon as something becomes popular and is enjoyed bye the masses there’s always backlash from the hipsters who think it’s cool to hate popular things.
    Now, if you didn’t like the movie because of the acting, story, direction or so on that’s fine everyone is entitled to there own opinion and I’d love to debate those things and I might even agree on some points. But if your argument begins and ends with something being overrated there’s no point in having a conversation…

    • Bingo. Avatar all over again. I overheard a friend of mine saying “everybody loved Avatar, even though most people accept that the story isn’t great.” I had to stop him and say “actually, it was the most successful movie in the history of film. So it’s kind of dumb to make generalized statements about it like that. That’s your opinion, but the world gave more money to see that story than any other in history.”

      He was dumbfounded.

      • Yeah and since Avatar was mentioned, I first saw it for free a year after release when it debuted on television and honestly found it boring story wise and not even the visuals impressed me that much. In that case, I may be one of the few apparently who didn’t like it because I just genuinely didn’t enjoy it.

        Avengers…..I can see why people would find it overrated and was gonna bring up the point about the constant mentions of the movie as a reason before someone else did.

        I’ve mentioned it before on here, I enjoyed it the first time but the second viewing, I was waiting for Tony Stark to say one line to Thor and then waiting for Thanos at the end, otherwise again, it felt like a chore to watch that second time (Prometheus meanwhile was as great the second time as it was the first time, same for Dredd and TDKR).

        What we have to remember is that this is also possibly a small percentage of the online population and not indicative of everybody in the world.

        It also pays to remember that even the biggest box office draws in history can be overrated too, whether they’re good or not.

        • Watching Avatar on TV vs. 3D Imax can be compared to watching a modern TV show on a black and white TV using antenna service and no surround sound.

          The whole point of Avatar was the 3D and how well it was implimented. I agree watching it a second time was blah, but watching it in 3D the visuals were mind blowing.

      • I will second that, not every person that goes to watch a movie takes in their notepad and pen, the majority of people go to be entertained and leave there critics caps at home, the box office take speaks for itself

        Geeks and fanboys ripped Titanic to pieces but it held a place in the hearts of the masses, hell I don’t know anybody who didn’t own it on VHS, even my gran did who had to purchase a VCR just to watch it!

        • True. I also think that when a single film or release of any kind completely changes the direction of at least a large (profit-driven) portion of an industry, there will be people who don’t like the direction, and lay that blame on the thing that caused it.

          Avatar was a watershed moment for the movie industry, and if you hate 3D, hate CGI, or hate science fiction or fantasy, then the changes it brought in blockbuster movies probably annoy you. But that’s a matter of taste, and yes, it sucks when you’re not in the majority.

          But don’t hate Avatar for doing what it did, or for people loving it.

          • I agree, I had no intention of going to see a movie in 3D until Avatar came out, I saw it and was completely blown away, nothing has impressed me in 3D as much since

            I recently saw The Hobbit in 2D and thought it was theovid of the year and it only cost me £5 to see it, I was entertained and got a bargain! Definitely a five star movie in my eyes and I can already see this new trilogy surpassing the last, but that’s just me

            I try not to pay too much attention to movie reviews and opinions anymore, if people love a movie they will like it regardless of what is said by the media, I think the Twilight movies are horrendous but that hasn’t stopped them making money and changing the direction of that genre of movies which are now aimed at the Tweens and their need for a depressing love story, each to their own

    • I see your points and understand what your saying. I personally wanted to love the Avengers and I waited in line to see it. It is only one of two movies I have seen in theaters that at the end I wanted my money back.

      • thats how i felt about TDKR. such a let down, and as much as that film was hyped, i cant believe it wasn’t included in the original la times poll, which makes me want to yell “shenanigans!”.

  16. I dont know if im in the minority on this one or not but i thought The Dark knight Rises was the best super hero movie of the year. Nothing against The Avengers i loved it for what it was but i have to agree that it was somewhat overrated. Also i love Prometheus

  17. Nolan’s films are what all superhero movies (and movies in general) should strive to be like. The Avengers, nope. I’m tired of all the hype about this movie. It is definitely the most overrated movie of 2012 without a doubt

  18. I don’t think “Avengers” was overrated, in fact I think the general public wasn’t expecting it to be such a huge success. I’d say TDKR was overrated more so. Not that it’s a really bad movie, but just people were expecting a masterpiece and keep bleating on that it is….even though it isn’t. (IMO)

    I know what the most underrated (IMO) movie was.

    • Seconded.

    • thirded.

  19. Not all superhero movies are schlock. Let’s face it though; in terms of direction, plot logic and acting, avengers is probably one step above Transformers, if that. Look at the pretty special effects, and don’t ask questions. Fury and Banner were not too bad in the acting department, and that’s about all that elevates the film from the Bayformers. That said, I liked the Avengers movie. It’s honestly not that good though, as movies go, when you look at all of its aspects. This site giving it a 4 out of 5, is either someone receiving a check for the endorsement, or someone who can’t critique movies. Liking a movie isn’t reason enough to give it a four. Myself, I liked it, but I’d give it a 2.5 to 3. Average in most aspects, below in a few others.

  20. I loved the Avengers and don’t think its overrated. I believed it lived up to the hype. By no means is it a cinematic artistic masterpiece but it is definetley an amazing movie. I’ll tell you the most underrated film of the year The Amazing Spider-Man.

    • I too loved avengers, but I’d give it a 4 of 5. And yes—the spider man movie was great. That one is under appreciated.

  21. Imo, i have to say i enjoyed The Avengers more than i did TDKR. Overall i thought The Avengers was the best film of 2012. In all fairness really i don’t remember seeing any articles about TDK being overhyped or overrated. Obviously Heath Ledger’s performance of the Joker carried that film to success more than people like to admit. Ledger won a oscar, outshined Bale in the film. Whenever TDK comes up, first thing i hear from people is…. Ledger’s Joker Performance so that tells ya somthing. For me I enjoyed Batman Begins the most outta the trilogy, then TDK, TDKR.

    I thought TDKR was 2nd best film of 2012.

    • That’s exactly how I’d rate the Nolan BM films.

  22. I must admit, I do somewhat agree with the fact that the Avengers was overrated (whether its “the most” overrated is not for me to say).
    The first time I watched the movie was on opening weekend with a full theatre of moviegoers who had in some cases waited in line for hours. Everyone laghed at the funny scenes, and hooted and hollered at the right moments. It really added to the experience, and I think that was part of why it seemed so awesome.

    The next time I watched it, the “funny” parts didn’t always hit, and parts of the movie seemed hokey.

    For me great movies have great re-watchability, and are still awesome when you watch them multiple times.
    I just don’t feel that way about The Avengers. I really think it was overrated.

    • That’s the way I feel about “the 2nd movie that will not be named”. I saw “the 1st movie that will not be named” 6 times in the theater because I felt it was awesome. I only saw “the 2nd movie that will not be named” only once in the theater.

  23. I agree that The Avengers is anything but art but the idea that Comic book movies can’t be art is insane, of course it’s possible but I don’t think many people make the effort.

  24. While it saddens me to see people feel this way I do get it. Avengers is great for what it was but it didn’t have a defining feeling to it. While I loved it and will watch it a million more times I can see where it is just another Disney movie with the Marvel characters propped in. Loved the scene with Hulk smashing Loki but it seemed too Disney in a way.

  25. I’m glad the people did not vote my latest film Dredd 3D (avaliable on DVD and Blu-ray January 14th). But that is mainly because no one saw it. Damn shame, as it was… good.

  26. EVERYONE JUST NEED TO SHUT THE H!LL UP AND ENJOY HE DAME MOVIES WHENEVERY6 THEY COMES OUT. THEIR ONLY THERE FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND TO TAKE YOUR MONEY THAT’S ALL, SO LEAVE IT AS THAT. I DON’T GET WHY PEOPLE ALWAYS HAVE TO NIP PICK AT STUFF LIKE THIS FOR NO REASON. JUST SIT YOUR A$$ DOWN IN THE MOVIE THEATER AND ENJOY YOUR DAMN SELF.

  27. Everybody wants comic book movies to be this mega epic, huge thing. It seems like People no longer just want to see a fun movie. Sure TDKR looked better visually, and may had better actors, but it wasn’t all that great. The Avengers wasn’t perfect, but I enjoyed it much better.

    I will never forget how Bruce’s BROKEN back becomes healed just because some old guy punches his spine. No less than ten minutes after recovering, the guy is doing push ups and sit ups. Ridiculous!!

    • not to mention that a safety rope like that would kill a normal person if they fell, let alone someone with a back injury

      • Exactly. Another problem with this movie I had was that for a man who spent so long training to fight crime, after two and a half years, he all of a sudden decides to quit for 7 years.

        • not even, the events of The Dark Knight happen about 6 months after Batman Begins. He spends the better half of a decade training, fights crime for a year, than gives up for 7. What happened to his leg? Also, why has Alfred changed his tune about Bruce doing this. In the first 2 movies he’s Batman’s biggest fan, all of a sudden he thinks its dangerous?

          • Hahaha, his biggest fan? Are you high? Please go watch Batman Begins again before you make another stupid comment.

            1. Yes how Bruce’s back got fixed was hokey, but no more than a staff that only mind controls people if it touches the EXACT center of their chest.

            2. Ten minutes?!?!?! Did you miss the time lapse that was going on? Do we literally have to spell it out for you?

            3. The safety rope was one of only a few minor issues I had with the film. But your seriously going to use that as an excuse to say the Avengers was better?

            4. “All of a sudden decides to quit” …………. Um really? Please go back and listen to the dialogue, or should we use flash cards?

            • well, for one, nolans films are supposed to be full of realism, and punching a dislocated disc, and then falling, TWICE, with the sudden stop at the end, especially so soon after his magic cure should have paralyzed him.
              loki’s spear…it was magic, just like in the comic books…it’s SUPPOSED to do that!!!

              lawyer’d!

              • Yeah, I guess Loki’s magic staff worked on the hearts of men. Besides, “The Avengers” wasn’t going for the supposed “realism” of TDKR.

                The passage of time in TDKR really didn’t work either. Snow appears and someone mentions three months passing. But it really didn’t seem like it.

        • He gave it up because 1) the city no longer needed him with the Dent Act cleaning the streets and 2) his grief over Rachel’s death and his inability to stop that and Dent’s fall into madness over the same thing.
          His knee was shot from abuse he took as Batman and a lack of working it out has allowed arthritis to set in…kinda like an old linebacker. His fall from a 3 story building with Harvey in TDK probably didn’t help either

          • One big problem I had with TDKR was how the Dent Act somehow wiped ALL crime in Gotham City. Fine, they got all the mobsters, but Batman doesn’t just fight mobsters. What about all the common street crime? What about the nightly thugs and muggers and rapists? Were they “beneath” the attention of Batman?

            • You honestly believe Batman catches EVERY criminal that walks the street? He’s not Superman

              • Fighting crime was Batman’s endless crusade. Even when he took the fall for Dent,he’d still be out there. Whether if it’s one last mobster or a purse snatchin mugger, he’s always patrols the city.

  28. First off, people saying that those who didnt like “The Dark Knight Rises” dont like to think when they watch a movie. Well i didnt like it because i saw throw the BS that people call an intelligent story. The League of Shadows was a secret organization that wanted to rebuilt Gotham better by destroying parts of it. Bane was a terrorist parading through the city that just wanted to blow everything up. It was a joke everytime he said he was doing this in the name of Ras Al Ghul. Also, what was the big moral lesson of the movie? Its better to live the truth than a lie? so why is Batman’s identity still unknown and Bruce lie to everyone about his death? Bruce Wayne and Gordon’s guilt were never addressed. The only lesson that had any weight to it was about reason for not dying. You need to fear death in order to value life. That was nice.

    Avengers may not have been as smart, but it wasnt trying to. It knew what it was and was very straight forward about it. Its like the old saying. Better to be silent and have people think your dumb than to open your mouth and prove them right. But i’m a little off topic with this article.

    To me by far The Dark Knight Rises was the most overrated. To have a list of variable choices to pick from and call the most over-rated, the choices all have to be critical and financial hits. So if i were making a list of most over-rated, i’d have people pick from…

    Avengers
    The Dark Knight Rises
    Ted
    Les Miserables
    Skyfall
    The Hobbit
    The Hunger Games

  29. After all those Marvel and DC movies I would like to see The Avengers and Justice League team up or face off in an epic battle for good vs evil can you imagine that.

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