Joss Whedon Says ‘Awful’ Things Will Happen in ‘The Avengers 2′

Published 2 years ago by , Updated April 18th, 2013 at 10:02 am,

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Joss Whedon has long been a fixture in the geek community, thanks to his TV work on series like Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Of course, his notoriety exploded last year with the record-breaking success of Marvel’s The Avengers.

This led to Marvel signing him to write and direct the forthcoming sequel as part of an extensive three-year contract that includes overseeing all the studio’s Phase Two projects as well as starting up ABC’s planned S.H.I.E.L.D. (or is it Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.?) TV series.

However, before that deal was struck – in fact, before The Avengers had even been released – Whedon had already began brainstorming what audiences would see in The Avengers 2, according to Entertainment Tonight. Here’s what he had to say:

“I didn’t think I was going to do the second one, but I had an idea for it before I figured out the first one … You go into a movie not assuming there’s going to be [a sequel]. I’ve seen plenty of movies that are the first part in a trilogy that never happened, and it’s terrible. You don’t save anything for the trip back. Having said that, though, I did think, ‘If they were to come back, I know what’s going to happen and it’s going to be awful.’”

Whedon’s approach to sequels makes sense from a storytelling standpoint. In fact, Christopher Nolan has said on numerous occasions that he approached his Batman films in a similar way. Yet, Whedon’s anticipation for where subsequent films may end up means that the conflicts and alliances formed in The Avengers were likely planting the seeds for further complications down the line. The clash between Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.) and Captain America (Chris Evans) comes to mind as a plot thread that might develop over several films. Could Marvel be planning to bring the popular “Civil War” arc to life at some point?

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As for The Avengers 2, we’ve already heard reports that death would be a significant theme, as indicated by the mid-credits scene featuring Thanos and his apparent glee at “courting death.” Couple that with Whedon’s admission that the sequel will feature a more personal threat to the Avengers, and it’s looking more and more likely like The Avengers 2 will be The Empire Strikes Back of the series, as far as a more downbeat, darker ending is concerned.

Whatever Whedon has planned, his role in Phase Two will ensure that the preceding solo films properly set the stage for the team’s reunion in The Avengers 2.

“I’m actually really excited. I’ve gotten to look at everything and see behind the curtain on all the stuff, and Kevin Feige has a very clear vision. And it runs through all these movies. They’re all very different, but they really are what the next story should be. So I’m very excited about it.”

Captain America: The Winter Soldier will reportedly set the stage for a potential shifting of loyalty that will pay off in The Avengers 2, which Whedon said begins shooting in February 2014. It’s quite possible that some tragedy may strike the Avengers, leaving the team in disarray by the sequel’s end. At this early stage, however, this is pure speculation.

What “awful” events do you think the Avengers will face in the sequel? Would Marvel go so far as to kill off one of the core heroes? Will Robert Downey Jr. retire after all? Sound off in the comments section below with your hopes and expectations for The Avengers 2.

Iron Man 3 releases May 3, 2013, Thor: The Dark World on November 8, 2013, Captain America: The Winter Soldier on April 4, 2014, Guardians of the Galaxy on August 1, 2014, The Avengers 2 on May 1, 2015 and Ant-Man on November 6, 2015.

Source: ET

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  1. Honestly if they kill of fury, black widow or hawkeye I will be severly disappointed. Not because their characters but because it shows a lack of ambitious and shock factor on the part of marvel. I still believe they will never kill off ironman, cap or Thor. Show me something Whedon, at least give me a real death that isn’t cheapened by a poor one-liner “So, that’s what that does”.

  2. I’m guessing Stark will be seriously injured, requiring some time off to heal, and Rhodey takes over, as he did in the comics on numerous occasions, and while Tony was in the depths of alcoholism.

    also, Cap may “die” in order to inspire people and become a martyr, but really becoming the US Agent to strike from the shadows at Liberty’s enemies.

    This will remove Cap and Iron Man from Avengers 3, leaving room for Black Panther (similiar leadership stengths and martial arts) and Antman (also cynical and sarcastic like stark).

    If they leave Thor out of A3, then another mystical replacement could be Dr. Strange. I Thor, Cap, IronMan are the moneymakers for marvel, but I’d be fine leaving them out for one, and focus on the others as happened many times in the comics.

    beyond phase 3, there may be 2 teams of avengers, like avengers west coast and the main branch in New York.

    • “Thor, Cap, and Iron Man are the money makers for Marvel”

      Rewind before Iron Man and make this statement, you would be laughed out of the room. NO ONE ever expect any of these characters to hit the mainstream. Thor and Cap especially seemed to be destined to stay trapped on the page because of their more outlandish costumes and origins.

      Now they are the bedrocks of the Marvel universe. There are more characters out there, and Marvel wants to sell us as many of them as we are will to buy.

      Rotating the roster allows for more exposure to more characters, and also deals with actors aging. Rotate RDJ off of Iron Man and when IM rotates back in you can do so with a new actor and rather than play off of RDJ’s IM, they are free to reinterpret the character. The background world is the same, but the characters themselves take the lives of the actors/writers/diretors using them.

      Think of it as different runs of writers on comics. They take this mangled mess of backstory and contribute their own mayhem so that it all works together and on its own. This is how the movies will run if they maintain the Phase format of production.

  3. As much as I would hate to see Fury go, a death like that could set the stage for a Civil War plot in a third film. His leadership holds the team together, but if he goes something like the Registration Act would plunge Cap and Iron Man into war much easier than if he were there. I’m interested in seeing the effect of Thanos as the sequel’s antagonist, and I hope Whedon will deliver some great thrills and climactic story arcs.

  4. C’mon, you can’t do Civil War before making Steve and Tony friends, or it won’t be as heartbreaking!

    • True, but if we ever see that comic adapted, it’ll probably be in an Avengers movie. And I’d prefer a trilogy. Anything beyond 3 films is just too much.

  5. Well, the first Avengers movie was certainly awful. Is Whedon really sure he can make the sequel even more awful than the first? Seriously, though: why should we care about the threat of character deaths? Whedon has already shown us with Coulson that “dead” characters can be brought back at the drop of a hat.

    • Yeah, that has NEVER happened in the comics, lame butt “bring characters back from the dead” angle…..

    • Thing with Coulson “death” is that it wasn’t Joss’s idea, it was something that Kevin Feige want to happen so Joss being Joss reversed it as quickly as possible, after all this is the man who managed to resurrect (see where i’m going) Ripley from incineration in molten metal.

      If Joss decides to kill someone they usually stay pretty dead (ask Wash, or Kendra or Joice Summers) if their noble sacrifice can advance the cause of the main cast then they better make sure their policies are paid up cause they’re a gonner….

      • I’ve already asked Colossus, Buffy, and Giles and they say that Whedon has no problem bringing characters back to life with or without nudging from Kevin Feige.

        • Oh, I see what you’re saying. You’re only counting characters that Whedon PERSONALLY chose to both kill AND resurrect. That’s pretty specific but I could still name a few like Buffy, Cyclops and Angel.

          • when did giles die?
            yes they thought he had died but that was explained, no resurrection needed.

      • I think they might explain it using Life Model Decoys.
        Stark had the little line in Avengers about LMDs. It might have been a line aimed at the comic geeks, but what if it wasn’t?

    • You never watched the cartoon series did you.

    • youre statement is entirely a matter of opinion. Some people say Avengers is a really good superhero movie, some like you say its awful, but either way, it’s a matter of opinion, not fact

    • Coulson hasn’t been brought back yet. And if you are that concerned about reality perhaps reviewing movies based on comics isn’t your forte. I found the movie quite enjoyable. If a lack of reality concerns you I’m sure that some movies more based on reality might be better for you. But to trash talk a movie that is this popular and deter others from enjoying it because you dont like a “dead” character being brought back then you should be slamming the new fast and furious movie. They were popular enough to make five sequels. Which should put them in your sights.

  6. We all know Downey isn’t going anywhere, he’s just talking willfully because Marvel wants him to renegotiate his contract(so they don’t pay him too much). He will be back for Avengers 2 because Ironman is the best he’s got going for him now.

  7. “and it’s looking more and more likely like The Avengers 2 will be The Empire Strikes Back of the series” … words can not describe how pedestrian that comparison is.

  8. As someone who watched Buffy and thinks it’s severely overrated.I can tell you, Whedon’s typical dramatic death always involves someone who isn’t apart of the core group of characters.Joss can never let the core group of main characters go.So, it’ll probably be someone introduced in the second movie.He’ll try to lure you into caring about the killed character by giving them a sappy back story and making them useful, or it’ll be someone that you didn’t think was very important because they weren’t.Joss is a hack writer.

    • Please try to look at Joss’s work beyond just Buffy, in Serenety he killed off 2 core characters from the Firefly searies, Wash and Book, both definitely core characters in the franchise.

      • and even going with Buffy, Angel was a core character, they killed him off. yes he was resurrected. wash and book from firefly/serenity universe where core characters.

        so I got to ask what are you basing this statement on? the fact joss killed a lot of vampires probably at least 1 per episode?

  9. Honestly, I don’t think they’ll kill an Avenger. Maybe one of the Guardians, but Marvel/Disney won’t want to kill off a money maker. I think the awful will be the deaths of civilians and mass destruction in the name of an evil, awful cause (Thanos?). Or perhaps it is awful because of the splitting of the Avengers due to the issue of registration, ushering in Civil War.

  10. They could kill of RDJ as Stark, and have somebody step up to take his place as Iron Man

  11. SEE! Marvel can see how Awesome Joss Whedon is! What the heck is wrong with you clowns at FOX?! Canceling Firefly….I HATE YOU!

  12. The way this is all looking… it’s hard to assume that the Avengers will be victorious over Thanos in Avengers 2.

    Certain characters like Dr. Strange and Adam Warlock need to be established if you want to successfully engage Thanos… and it looks like those things won’t come about until phase 3…

  13. I’ve thought for a while that The Avengers 2 will feature a event that will lead to characters other than Iron Man, Thor, Cap and The Hulk being featured in Phase 3 and then the stars of The Avengers 3.
    Obviously, we already see the signs of this with Ant Man and Doctor Strange coming but I think it’s the best way to keep things fresh and exciting moving forward.
    Don’t get me wrong I loved Phase 1 and am excited for Phase 2 but after that I think more of the same can get stale.

  14. Civil War?!? Ohmygod YES PLEASE! I’ve been crossing my fingers for this since I found out there was going to BE an Avengers movie!

  15. So Captain America is going to die? He is the only one on the Avengers team whose death could ever be worthwhile. All the other characters are pretty much self serving, rich, egotistical megalomaniacs only involved because it helps themselves. Thor can’t die, he’s immortal in the Earth realm. Hulk can’t die, due to being the Hulk and having superior regeneration matched only by his rage. If Stark dies, its an oh well, because we all know he’s been on death’s doorstep ever since the first Ironman movie. Lets suppose Hawkeye or Black Widow dies, well, no one really cares as they never really had much of a part. It would be sad to see Black Widow dead, as she is the only sex appeal in the movies, so I doubt it will happen. And best for last: Although Nick Fury dies several times in the comics, his death is also meaningless, as we all know its just a matter of duty for him…his death is just another part of his duty as director of SHIELD and US Soldier. So the only person that can possibly die is Captain America. But that is only assuming they don’t introduce any newer characters into the movie franchise.

    • Kevin Feige said there will be new avengers in Avengers 2.

  16. I think Cap will die in Avengers 2 if not the Winter Soldier (be the movies end mainly Avengers 2) So that After Dr. Strange is made the film of Strange could be his origin story while have his greatest villain (Devil maybe)and reclaim Cap’s mortal soul. That way by the time Dr. Strange is done one could say Cap is alive again in Cap 3. Or in an after credit scene Dr. Strange saves Cap’s soul so that way Cap 3 would not need to be explained again in Cap 3 in regards to his death.

  17. I think by “awful” he means division, we’ll probably see the Civil War arc emerge, and not just because I’m a HUGE fan of it :)

  18. @ Wrathan: if Firefly hadn’t been cancelled, Joss probably wouldn’t have directed the Avengers and be part of Phase Two. You don’t know what something in the past not happening might lead to.

  19. The thing about comic books is that no one who dies (not a popular character that dies) stays dead.

  20. fing fang foom can cum in and kill Gwen lik in te comics

  21. You have to think about the appeal to a wider audience. Certain characters not yet introduced that are being discussed as the main characters in stand alone films wouldn’t work, especially outside of North America. So if you want to carry on making these movies you can’t kill off characters like The Hulk; Captain America, Iron Man, Thor. Why do you think there are remakes of Batman, Superman and Spider-man…because they are iconic and well known. Green Lantern did terrible at the international box office, simply because most people have no idea who he his or what he does prior to the release of the movie. The same would happen with most DC main characters without any strategy.

  22. I think at the end of the second avengers Iron Man will die. It only makes sense because Robert Downey said that he wasn’t really wanting to do it past 50. I think at the end in credits someone will pick up the new iron man suit.

  23. I think that Hulk will lose control in the heat of battle with Thanos which will lead to Hawkeye’s death and the death of several innocents. Hulk will abandon the team in the middle of the battle. The Avengers will be on the brink of destruction when reinforcements from SHIELD come to hold Thanos off while the heroes escape, leaving the city at the mercy of Thanos. With the team utterly defeated, some heroes turn against eachother and walk away. The movie ends with Hulk not being able to or not wanting to become Banner.

  24. I honestly think that Stark dies and that Rhodes will take over. Plus Downey Jr. doesn’t have his contract signed thru the avengers 3 and he is getting to old. And Nick Fury dying would also would be a big death. Plus I hope that there is more than 1 villain.

  25. You all do understand the amount of Marvel characters that would need to be included to do a civil war storyline right? It wouldn’t be possible with all the other companies having the rights to other Marvel characters. A civil war storyline isn’t plausible, just as a rumored Planet Hulk and World War Hulk movie series to be included in the Avengers series wouldn’t be plausible.

  26. I am truly surprised nobody has brought up the obvious. The Winter Solider is coming out which establishes Bucky Barnes, who after CAP is shot and killed becomes the NEW CAP. Duh.

  27. How can Rodney Rhodes star in THE AVENGERS 2?

    At the end of Iron Man 3, Tony Stark commands Jarvis to detonate *ALL* of the Iron Man armors.

    What was Rodney Rhodes wearing while doing a fly-away escorting the kidnapped President off the oil tanker? Yep, the Iron Patriot painted Iron Man armor. Tony Stark orders Jarvis to detonate all the armors and since Rodney is wearing an Iron Man armor, then logically — BOOM!

    Might be a bit of a problem having a blown-apart character starring as Iron Man’s stand-in for THE AVENGERS 2. Granted it makes a hilariously amusing ending for the “HOW IT SHOULD HAVE ENDED” cartoon guys, but doesn’t work well for the casting of THE AVENGERS 2.

    • Dude! SPOILERS!

    • Rhodeys armour had a change in software in the second movie by hammer so jarvis has no control

  28. There is absolutely no setup for Avengers2 in IronMan3…none..The end credits scean is kinda funny, but it’s a leadin to nothing at all…If there’s gonna be any kind of set up for the Avengers2, it will start in Thor:the dark world.

  29. I think that they should simply kill off Stark if he wants to retire. That would be a lot better in my opinion than if they replaced him. Honestly, out of everyone Downey. Jr is the only irreplaceable actor since well… He IS Iron Man.