Joss Whedon Says ‘Awful’ Things Will Happen in ‘The Avengers 2′

Published 1 year ago by , Updated April 18th, 2013 at 10:02 am,

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Joss Whedon has long been a fixture in the geek community, thanks to his TV work on series like Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Of course, his notoriety exploded last year with the record-breaking success of Marvel’s The Avengers.

This led to Marvel signing him to write and direct the forthcoming sequel as part of an extensive three-year contract that includes overseeing all the studio’s Phase Two projects as well as starting up ABC’s planned S.H.I.E.L.D. (or is it Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.?) TV series.

However, before that deal was struck – in fact, before The Avengers had even been released – Whedon had already began brainstorming what audiences would see in The Avengers 2, according to Entertainment Tonight. Here’s what he had to say:

“I didn’t think I was going to do the second one, but I had an idea for it before I figured out the first one … You go into a movie not assuming there’s going to be [a sequel]. I’ve seen plenty of movies that are the first part in a trilogy that never happened, and it’s terrible. You don’t save anything for the trip back. Having said that, though, I did think, ‘If they were to come back, I know what’s going to happen and it’s going to be awful.’”

Whedon’s approach to sequels makes sense from a storytelling standpoint. In fact, Christopher Nolan has said on numerous occasions that he approached his Batman films in a similar way. Yet, Whedon’s anticipation for where subsequent films may end up means that the conflicts and alliances formed in The Avengers were likely planting the seeds for further complications down the line. The clash between Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.) and Captain America (Chris Evans) comes to mind as a plot thread that might develop over several films. Could Marvel be planning to bring the popular “Civil War” arc to life at some point?

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As for The Avengers 2, we’ve already heard reports that death would be a significant theme, as indicated by the mid-credits scene featuring Thanos and his apparent glee at “courting death.” Couple that with Whedon’s admission that the sequel will feature a more personal threat to the Avengers, and it’s looking more and more likely like The Avengers 2 will be The Empire Strikes Back of the series, as far as a more downbeat, darker ending is concerned.

Whatever Whedon has planned, his role in Phase Two will ensure that the preceding solo films properly set the stage for the team’s reunion in The Avengers 2.

“I’m actually really excited. I’ve gotten to look at everything and see behind the curtain on all the stuff, and Kevin Feige has a very clear vision. And it runs through all these movies. They’re all very different, but they really are what the next story should be. So I’m very excited about it.”

Captain America: The Winter Soldier will reportedly set the stage for a potential shifting of loyalty that will pay off in The Avengers 2, which Whedon said begins shooting in February 2014. It’s quite possible that some tragedy may strike the Avengers, leaving the team in disarray by the sequel’s end. At this early stage, however, this is pure speculation.

What “awful” events do you think the Avengers will face in the sequel? Would Marvel go so far as to kill off one of the core heroes? Will Robert Downey Jr. retire after all? Sound off in the comments section below with your hopes and expectations for The Avengers 2.

Iron Man 3 releases May 3, 2013, Thor: The Dark World on November 8, 2013, Captain America: The Winter Soldier on April 4, 2014, Guardians of the Galaxy on August 1, 2014, The Avengers 2 on May 1, 2015 and Ant-Man on November 6, 2015.

Source: ET

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  1. WHAT A PERFECT SCENARIO! KILL IRON MAN! TALK ABOUT THE BIGGEST CINEMATIC EVENT OF ALL TIME. THEN RDJ CAN RETIRE AND PICK UP THE 100 MILLION DOLLAR CHECK AFTER AVENGERS 2.

    • I agree. Or…….Dark Iron Man?

    • The surprise will be all of the Guardians will be killed in GotG.

    • If RDJ retires, that scenaio would work best because no one can replace RDJ effectively.

    • No, that would *S*U*C*K*, and so would anyone thinking to do such a thing was a good idea.

  2. Thanos will kill off the universe and save Earth for last. GotG come to Earth to warn the Avengers about it, and they team up against Thanos. All the death would be caused by the Infinity Gauntlet, but at the end all the death and suffering gets undone by the Infinity Gauntlet.

    Thats what I think.

    • You hit the nail right on the head!

      • Even if a main character dies, he/she will come back… Maybe Iron Man dies and when he comes back via the Infinity Gauntlet, he is younger and played by James Roday or someone.

        Personally, I think he could pull off Tony Stark. Maybe when he comes back, he is a better person, and not only younger, but less of a egomaniac and more of a “free energy for everyone” kind of Stark, like from EMH? Lets face it, there is a lot different between those two Starks I mentioned. And besides, a different kind of Stark would be what Marvel needs when RDJ retires, because no one can be RDJ’s Iron Man. Same hero, but a different person without the armor.

        Bottom line, no one can pull off RDJ’s Iron Man. So Marvel should not even try, just make him less of an @ss because maybe he has been re-made by the infinity gauntlet in Steve Rodgers image of what he COULD be.

        Just an idea of how they change actors when RDJ leaves.

        • No to James Roday as Tony Stark. That is all.

    • Guardians sounds lame (mainly because of the tree and raccoon…those are actually my main objections).

      • what are you talking about groot and rocket raccoon are so damn badass, you should read the GOTG 2008 series. I really recommended it.

      • I echo the sentiments of Titan. That GotG storyline was awesome. They are much better characters than they seem at face value. I too was very hesitant to like Groot or Rocket and I understand an anthropomorphic alien tree and raccoon seem silly at first but keep in mind that this is fantasy and they are actually really badass.

        • Don’t feed the troll guys, Goldi is one of the worst.

      • So dont go see it

    • I really hope it is the Infinity Gauntlet story. I hate the idea of Civil War or WW Hulk. The cinematic universe is not large enough for those stories yet. Civil War would essentially by Iron Man vs Cap and WW Hulk would be The Hulk vs The Avengers.

  3. Awful things are going to happen… they’re going to make yet another superhero movie, that I won’t ever watch. Can someone tell Hollywood that it’s possible to make movies NOT based on comic book characters?

    • Go away.

    • If you dont like movies based on comic books then stay away from this site

    • Marvel and Disney won’t miss your money anyway. Seriously why come on here and comment? It’s just irrelevant because super hero movies are going to be made even after the market slows down for them someday.

    • I agree with you.

    • Please leave, can you flag him please?

    • Awful things are gonna happen. Kristen Stewart had just been confirmed the the Snow White sequel, Mark Wahlberg wants Bieber in his upcoming movie, Lindsay Lohan disgraced Liz Taylor with her awful performance and Michael Bay changed the Turtles into Aliens.
      Other than that, I see nothing wrong with Hollywood making CBM films!!

    • I think you need to buzz off like seriously

    • You just want to promote your website here. It’s pretty cool by the way, but going with your comment, you’re like just want to sound cool and understand movies, making videos, and all that.

    • Sounds like someone is just making another *Lowe* comment, Daniel! (You can say hee-hee now…).

  4. like trey m said: kill iron man. it would be so epic

    of course you can go the zombie storyline but that would be weird

  5. Robert downey jr will probably retire so They’ll probably kill off iron man

    • They’ll kill off Stark and bequeath his tech to someone new. Maybe he’ll find out he has an illegitimate son?

  6. if there is a death it can only be iron man… you can argue that iron man is the avengers major selling point cause he is but damn, would they really do that.

    ive been saying this from the beginning that they would need to make huge decision because they cant have all these characters in the movie. the amount of avengers they has in 1 was perfect so they start adding more then it takes away from the characters because there are too many.

    also all these characters need their single movies and marvel only do two a year so they need to think about that too. but i think we will only get 1 GotG and they are only here for thanos imo

    • RDJ was the face of the franchise but he can easily disappear, replace Stark with Rhodes as the guy in the suit storywise and build on the “studio who gave you The Avengers” since money talks and anyone will go see future installments for that reason alone.

      • They’d more likely replace Iron Man with someone younger than Cheadle.

        • I am hoping for James Roday, but that is just me.

          • NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO James Roday. Just quit with that stupid talk. Roday sucks. He’s a one trick pony whose trick’s gotten old and stale.

            • Why you getting so upset? Seriously, act like an adult and agree to disagree, I don’t go to your comments and call it “stupid talk” just because I disagree. Grow up a little.

    • They don’t have to kill members off to add more. With people like Hawkeye and Black Widow, they can work on smaller missions and recruit others to temporary fill the position.

      • Or just kill off Hawkeye and/or Black Widow…

  7. Awful things will happen in Avengers 2? So it’s definitely confirmed Whedon will be back to write it then?

    But seriously, Stark dies at the hands of the big bad (while Thanos smiles gleefully in the background), The Avengers split up after defeating the threat in a revised version of Avengers Disassembled (due to not all characters being Marvel Studios property and no time to introduce Scarlet Witch to kill off characters like Hawkeye, Ant-Man and The Vision, who also hasn’t debuted yet), Phase 3 happens and a new team emerges with the old gang back to help out when Thanos finally gets involved after sitting out the previous two team ups.

    • Oh, yeah, duh, sounds dorkenheimerish.

    • Yes it’s confirmed. It was confirmed after The Avengers broke many opening weekend records in many different countries. And after its many good reviews and the money it made for Marvel Studios, were you honestly expecting them not to bring back Joss Whedon, just because a few fans found that the film didn’t live up to their high standards?

  8. I think Coulson will die… again.

    • And restart from the checkpoint.

  9. If it follows the Gauntlet story-line… then Thanos kills all of them except Captain America. Warlock brings them all back of course, but just sayin… Thanos does punch Tony’s head clean off.

    • Yeah, I’m sure they’ll just rehash a comic storyline without changing anything…

      • … and I’m sure I started my sentence with “if” and was just speculating on the kind of thing Whedon could be referring too.

  10. Bring in The Leader to give some love to the Hulk and give the incredible Hulk some great scenes like he had where he was chaseing Black Widow that was awesome.

  11. It is too soon for any Avenger to be killed off. I’d be in favor of that situation in which the GOTG warns the Avengers of Thanos destroying everything. That’ll be great in my opinion.

    • It’s not that soon, A1, 2012, A2, 2015, thats a 3 year gap. That’s enough time.

      • Film and real life wise yes it not that soon. I’m talking about movie time. They haven’t been a team long enough for a death even to be impactful.

        • @ Tay

          Depends on the death (look at Coulson although he’s back now)

          Steve & Tony, Hell Yes very impactful on the team as they’re the heart and soul, the big cheeses, the go to guys.

          Thor and Hulk, like to see you try they are as makes no difference immortal

          Black Widow and Hawkeye, would anyone really notice, Cap might shed a tear but that’s your lot

  12. And why is the Captain America Symbol on the shield a pentagram, has the circle around it and everything? thinking about it ironman had the Pyramid on his chest as well.

    • wow, where can i get some of whatever it is you’re smoking? bc that is some intense reading into things you’re doing there, dude.

  13. I’d really honestly, like to see Stark killed off in an EPIC way.

    That’s the only way I see Robert retiring the Iron suit.

    Most EFFECTIVE way. Truly.

    • Right with ya. It’ll be REALLY heartbreaking to all of the fans, but RDJ can’t be Iron Man forever.
      He’ll be missed a lot, he’s just amazing.

    • he and I would like to see you kiled off, too. Shaddap.

  14. Iron man dies

  15. If Stark dies however then I feel it will be a little too reminiscent of his near death experience towards the end of the Avengers. I mean I assume they could always chalk it up to foreshadowing but I mean that was supposed the emotional crux of that ending which kind of feel flat due to knowing that Stark will return for Iron Man 3. I loved the scene and was wondering what direction there were heading but to repeat it again..seriously (even if temporary) seem a bit redundant.

    Besides, I would assume Joss Whedon would target the death of a character who is a favorite of audience but serve as a shock. I mean its a more personal death. People, as evident by the question if RDJ will return post Avengers 2 and general comments here and other sites, would generally assume it Stark. So I say any of the original cast members are open game for a death scene- although I will be disappointing if it is the underused Hawkeye.

    Captain America: Based on storyline from the source materials and the role Captain America plays and represents, this does seem to make sense for shock and emotional and personal death sentence.

    Thor: Had a couple close calls in the first film, so maybe. His role ever increasing in the sequel and so heavily tied to the overall Avengers storyline- THOR directly set up major plot points for the AVENGERS film, while THOR: THE DARK WORLD will directly follow the film’s event as Loki was part of Thano’s plot- so it would make sense from that perspective. Plus killing a Norse god, a notion hinted in the Avengers, will be a shock.

    The Incredible Hulk: You want shock, this is the character you kill off to deliver the blow to audiences. After two films with mild success, The Avengers cemented Hulk in a new light that left audiences wanting more. That big improvement in character in terms of portrayal and fan reception would send the news to major headlines within the fan community and films in general. After 3 films with a rumored cameo in the Phase 2 films (plus ties to pop culture ranging from live TV series, cartoons, amusement park rides), the character’s death will carry the most weight.

    Bruce Banner and his Hulk was seen as terrifying, exciting, funny, and more in the Avengers alone. Building such a likeable character that was the most remembered aspect of the film after some more ambiguous impression shows care and effort during the creation process by both Whedon and Mark Ruffalo. We also some definite lasting friendship formation between Iron Man Tony Stark and Bruce Banner Hulk. The bonding and trust along with Hulk saving Tony will lead to a powerful emotional response by RDJ in the role.

    And the audience! One of the most funny and exciting aspects of the first film was seeing just how powerful and dangerous the Hulk was in battle. “Puny God” scene , “I am always angry” punch to the leviathan, fight against Thor, fight against alien army, spitting out the bullet remark etc. Most audience believe the Hulk cannot lose. While it is not simple to beat him, the Hulk can still lose. We saw him having trouble with increasing number of alien foes attacking him from afar with laser weapons. With Thanos playing a role, and whatever power source he may possess, the comment by Bruce Banner about not having a suit of armor and being “exposed” really rings true.

    I am not sure if this is the route Whedon will pick but it seems to make the most sense to me. Tony Stark can either increase his Iron Man duty and persona by the end or take a leave of absence depending on what RDJ and Marvel decide. Thor and Captain America will continue their franchises that are expanding. What about Hulk? Would he stay dead? Hulk can always make a grand return in Planet Hulk/ World War Hulk storyline modified for the film series.

    Beyond these points, Game of Thrones had shown me that worst things than death scenes can be done that are horrible and emotionally draining. I cannot wait for Phase 2

    • I think that Iron Man will die, and maybe Captain America grabs the Gauntlet and “wishes” him back to life. And he becomes what Steve Rogers think he could be. A real hero with no huge issues, like no more drinking and wants to make life better, not just by through his suit, but through (maybe) free renewable energy, or something similar?

      This new Iron Man would be a younger version, and less of an egomaniac. That way Iron Man can keep going but by being played by someone else. Make the new version more like EMH, where he is more caring and less “I don’t play well with others”.

      I really liked reading your comment, many ways Marvel can go about this, and I think that anyone could die, but I think that they will be “wished” back because of the gauntlet.

      • Stark almost dying at the end was to prove Cap wrong about him not being willing to make that sacrifice. No one actually thought he was dead dead.

        • The way you explain that scene sounds like he did it to prove Cap wrong, and that proves my point that he thinks of his image and legacy before anything else. He is still a drunk and thinks of himself first. That is why I put down one of the MANY ways Marvel can kill a character (main or supporting).

          PS, “No one actually thought he (Tony Stark) was dead dead” What does that mean? Are you saying that I thought he died at the end of The Avengers? Maybe you should read my comments and decide to comment on them when you are well rested?

  16. Definitely Iron Man, he’s got a trilogy almost closing. RDJ says he wants to retire so yeah, Iron Man.

  17. R.I.P Mr stark.

  18. I think a city might get destroyed or (I hope it doesnt happen) Tony gets killed

  19. Awful things like the fake death of Agent Coulson. Please.

  20. Nick Fury will die for sure, I think. I have a hard time seeing Marvel killing off Stark but maybe they’ll take that risk.

  21. I think it’s sad that you guys attack someone who doesn’t want to see this movie. Neither do I. Bring on the hate I guess. I’m still convinced that I am one of 4% of the population that despises the avengers movie… but to “flag” me or someone else for saying that fact is just kinda sad. I hope it’s good… but not holding my breath.

    • So what? No one cares.

      • No one flagged you. It was said in jest.

        • I know no one flagged me… but to say “oh im gonna huff and puff and flag you” is just childish.

  22. Hope it isn’t a fail like Iron Man 2(not much of a failure but you know what I mean).

  23. If anyone is going to be killed off, it needs to be the non-biggest-headliners (definition of big headliners is Cap, Iron Man, Thor. Gotta keep those three). If anyone is killed of the second-stringers, it’s gotta be Hawkeye, Black Widow, or Hulk, or maybe Fury. We need the other big three (again Cap, IM, Thor) around for a long long time. We also need to add Goliath (Hank Pym, cool blue/yellow costume), Wasp, Quicksilver, and Scarlet Witch. For the baddies, we need Kang, Ultron, Whirlwind, Mandarin duking it out with his rings blasting full-force (not just being an evil chess-master), and Skrulls. maybe a ways down the road (Avengers #3 or beyond?), Black panther and Vision could appear.

    • Hulk is not a main hero in the Avengers lineup? Next thing you are gonna say is that Batman is the only guy in town who can afford all those cool gadgets. ;)

      Seriously though, first you said in an earlier article that GL was a fantastic movie, and now you are saying Hulk was a supporting cast member in the Avengers? Go home, you are drunk.

  24. It’d be awkward to bring the Civil War arc to the Marvel cinemaverse, because there Tony Stark’s been built up as an anti-establishment figure. Someone who isn’t even willing to share his technology with SHIELD and who suspects Nick Fury of ulterior motives at every turn(he’s right of course) isn’t going to take kindly to forcing every superhero to register and imprisoning those who refuse.

    Unless they plan to do it the other way round with Cap being pro-registration and Tony being anti-registration.

  25. Just as Sean Connery will always be the definitive Bond Robert Downie Jr will always be the definitive Stark/Iron Man.

  26. Im convinced IronMans goin to die, Or never put the suit on again

  27. the death of captain America in the final scenes of avengers 2 with the rebirth happening in cap 3……

  28. I hope he doesn’t mean Serenity “awful”… I really don’t need that kind of emotion in my life right now!!! ;)

  29. Well having Thanos in the mix it’s not unreasonable that the Infinity Gauntlet may feature in some for or another.

    It’s also safe to assume that RDJ may be considering hanging up the arc reactor.

    So with the option of rewriting reality do you
    A. Kill off Tony Stark, pass the armour to someone else (allows RDJ to leave)
    B. Kill off Tony Stark, bring him back as a younger version(also allows RDJ to leave opens up story arcs for IM4 – what memories does he have, how does Pepper relate to new Tony etc.)
    C. Not Kill off Stark but still replace him in the armour, moves to head of SHIELD?(allows RDJ to drop to cameos)
    D. Sign RDJ up for another 2/3 films in the armour so he’s still Stark well in to his 50′s (not really a problem the fella is plenty fit and healthy)

    James Roday (don’t know him) seems to be shot down (whatever) I would like to throw in for a younger Tony Stark – Geoff Stults, good actor, really good in The Finder, not an ugly fella so could pull off a handsome Stark.

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