Why Ultron is in ‘Avengers 2′ Instead of the ‘Ant-Man’ Movie

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It’s ironic that Marvel Studios has been long heralded as the comic book movie studio that fans deserve – primarily because of the perception amongst said “fans” that Marvel would always honor its own characters and canon in the way that other studios – like Fox and Sony – would not.

Now, with Marvel Phase Two, we are seeing some radical departures from traditional Marvel comic book canon (see: The Mandarin in Iron Man 3) – and that deviation will continue all the way through The Avengers: Age of Ultron, the culminating chapter of Phase Two and immediate predecessor to Edgar Wright’s Ant-Man movie, which will kick off Marvel Phase Three in fall of 2015. As many Marvel fanboys have noticed, that ordering - Avengers 2 before Ant-Man - has been more than a little problematic, where canon is concerned.

In the comics, Ultron – the Skynet-style artificial intelligence/robot that often terrorizes The Avengers – was created by scientist Hank Pym, the alter-ego of Ant-Man. It’s still unclear whether or not Hank Pym will be introduced in The Avengers: Age of Ultron, but we do know that Ultron will be getting a (no pun) retooled origin story, with speculation leaning toward Tony Stark’s A.I. system Jarvis going rogue and creating the villain (in some form or fashion).

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This is, as stated, a bold deviation from Marvel canon – one that will inevitably leave some fans upset – which is why Ant-Man writer/director Edgar Wright discussed the reasoning for keeping Ultron’s origin out of Hank Pym’s movie, while speaking with Huffpo:

[Ultron] was never in my script. Because even just to sort of set up what Ant-Man does is enough for one movie. It’s why I think “Iron Man” is extremely successful because it keeps it really simple. You have one sort of — the villain comes from the hero’s technology. It’s simple. So I think why that film really works and why, sometimes, superhero films fail — or they have mixed results — because they have to set up a hero and a villain at the same time. And that’s really tough. And sometimes it’s unbalanced.

You know, when I was younger I used to love Tim Burton’s “Batman.” I was like 15 and even then I was aware, “This is really the Joker’s film.” It’s like, the Joker just takes over and Batman, you really don’t learn too much about him. Comics haveyears to explain this stuff and in a movie you have to focus on one thing. So it’s about kind of streamlining, I think. Some of the most successful origin films actually have a narrower focus. You cannot put 50 years of the Marvel universe into a movie. It’s impossible.

With that mind-state, Wright seems to feel extra fortunate that his subject is Ant-Man, a superhero that is far from mainstream in the minds of casual moviegoers:

I think there’s something in that it’s a lesser known character, there’s hopefully more license. For the one percent of people who are like, “Wait, Hank Pym would never do that!” there’s 99 percent going, “Who’s Hank Pym?” So, to me, the source material is great but it also frees you up to be like: I’m going to make a movie. The movie is not going to represent 50 years of Marvel comics because that’s impossible. But I’m going to make a 100 minute movie — or 110 minutes [laughs].

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Want to know what changes executives tried to make with Scott Pilgrim, or what Wright has done with his latest film, The World’s End? Then read the full interview.

Meanwhile, how do you feel about the changes being made to the Ultron and Hank Pym characters? Do you feel betrayed by Marvel, or are they just doing what they need to do to make successful and entertaining films? Let us know in the comments.

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The Avengers: Age of Ultron Will be in theaters on May 1, 2015; Ant-Man on November 6, 2015

Source: HuffPo

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  1. So…

    He basically criticizes Batman ’89 for following what makes Batman and The Joker great: one is silent and mysterious, the other is loud and colorful.

    That’s the point. Revealing all the secrets involving Batman ruins the surprise element he applies when going into a situation. I don’t need an entire sequence of him setting up every single aspect that is crucial to his execution, it’s not in his character to reveal that. An aspect used really well in Batman ’89 and Batman Begins.

    If anything, Batman ’89 proved that we don’t always need a 2 hour long origin story to define who the character is and why he does what he does.

    • No, it’s perfectly clear he’s praising Burton for using the Joker’s origin as the story. Your argument is exactly what Edgar Wright is saying… -____-

  2. If you know who Ultron is, you probably know who Hank Pym is. If you know who The Avengers are, you likely know who Giant-man/Goliath/Ant-Man is. What we need is hank Pym/Goliath in Avengers #2, or if not, #3, we need Pym creating Ultron. Ant-Man needs to be hank Pym, not Scott Lang, and another villain like radioactive Man or whoever is OK for that one. We need Goliath, and we need Wasp, to get into Avengers ASAP, along with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, looking ahead to a time when those playing Hulk, Cap, Iron man, and Thor “retire” or “go away on another mission” or something, so someone is there to take over running the super-hero shop. Stepping away from canon is usually a mistake (Cyclops dies, mandarin isn’t Mandarin, etc.). Make those movies for the hard-core long-term marvel fanboys and girls…and I am proud to be a fanboy of long-standing…and the rest of the movie-goers will follow along. Don’t leave us out on the limb that is getting sawn off, when we the fans are your bread and butter. I’m not saying the movies have to mimic the comics panel for panel, b ut they should bear some similarity. I think this movie will do mgreat, but could be better (I meant Avengers #2, but Ant-Man might do OK, also).

  3. I actually came to terms about Pym not being the creator of Ultron in the MCU… sort of. Those who say that Ultron is the only thing defining Pym don’t know enough of the character, IMHO. He had great moments, both prior and after creating Ultron, that could translate well into a movie, or could get a totally new story fighting a villain, which would be somewhat of a melting pot of some or everything that has ever happened to him in the comics. Yes, Ultron is a BIG part of Pym’s past, but there are other things too. On the other hand, I prefer when they stay close to cannon. But I can understand the argument. I’m a huge Pym fan, so it bothers me that he won’t be creating Ultron in A2, but I can understand that for someone who isn’t familiar with the story, it will not matter. After all, I didn’t know much about the Mandarin backstory, so I just enjoyed IM3 for what it was, and liked it a lot. At the same time, I understand why the fans were outraged.

    I realized that I was a LOT more bothered by the fact that, once more, they pushed Pym (and Wasp) aside from The Avengers in the second movie. I mean, I know he gets his movie right after, but as Wright said himself, he’s a B-lister, so not a lot of people outside the fanbase know about him. The most clever thing would have been to introduce the character in TA2 so the average moviegoer will know him before his solo film and get interested enough about the character to actually go see the movie… Adding to that the rumors that Ant-Man would actually be mostly about Lang, I’m pretty underwhelmed, to say the least. If Pym is a B-lister, and considering he’s actually a founding member in the 616, Lang is probably a E-lister at most.

    But maybe… just maybe… as someone upper in the thread said, Whedon is putting a “Mandarin” on us and Pym will in fact be in TA2, just not involved in the creation of Ultron… but honestly, I don’t get my hopes too high about this. We’ll wait and see, I suppose…

    • *shudders* When you said pulling a mandarin on us, what if “ultron” is just a progam, a computer program, and the villian is really jarvis hacking avengers minds by using the porgram. Whedon, dont do this…or else

    • I’m with you, Mary Jay. If I were king and writing this movie, it would be Pym all the way, creating Ultron…and we would get to see Goliath and Wasp as well!

  4. “which is why Ant-Man writer/director Edgar Wright discussed the reasoning for keeping Ultron’s origin out of Hank Pym’s movie”

    Please keep in mind that Wright never mentions, “Pym” and only refers to Ant-man. That is most likely because we will be getting Scott, “Craptastic” Lang instead.

    I also don’t think the general public is nearly as stupid as the directors seem to think they are. If Inception had, “kept it simple” it would have been a complete borefest.

    There are literally dozens of ways they could have introduced Pym as Ultron’s creator but they decided instead to “keep it simple” and just pile all the story elements onto Iron Man. /yawn

    • It has not been confirmed it is going to be Iron Man that creates Ultron. Its a fanboy theory that has somehow turned into fact around these parts. Whedon said that all the avengers are going to have a hand in Ultrons creation

    • “I think there’s something in that it’s a lesser known character, there’s hopefully more license. For the one percent of people who are like,’Wait, Hank Pym would never do that!” there’s 99 percent going, “Who’s Hank Pym?’”

      He did, in fact, mention Hank Pym. Sounds like he’s in the movie to me.

      • I’m actually getting the impression that they might conflate Pym and Lang into one character so as to make him interesting: a genius who invents a shrinking suit to steal money but grows a conscience.

      • OK, I failed at explanations.

        I should of said, Wright didn’t use Pym’s name it the context of his movie or more correctly as playing Ant-Man.

        When he is referring to Pym there it sounds more like a response to what Pym does in the comics and not what will be happening in his movie.

    • I second the motion, Mongoose. I want Pym in Ant-Man, not Lang. And Pym creating Ultron in Avengers #2, as well. I can almost guarentee if Pym is not in the Ant-Man movie, that movie (which I am truly hoping is good) is gonna have trouble with the fans, and probably with me as well.

  5. Do this…. Have shield create a program where they store villians’ profiles and store their powers(by exracting them, have Ultron be a acronym(for something agent-y :P)then have this program,create its own mind, actually by a hacker, who creates a suit that uses these powers, and is capable of shape-shifting into the various members of avengers, thus starting a Civil war,? you like it? I do too

    • Why call him ultron if he’s not going to be the real true ultron from the comics? if they believe the ppl who go to see the movies know nothing about the comics then they should just create an original idea….wait did i just asked big budget Hollywood to come up with an original idea? :D

  6. This is exactly the point where Marvel not owning the rights to their MUCH MUCH better villains rears it’s ugly head.

  7. Ant-Man sucks, Iron Man being the creator makes a hundred times more sense.

    “Ant-Man” ..pffffftttt.

    • Edgar Wright has got it. I can’t wait bro. More stoked for ANT-MAN than any other Marvel film. (Guardians a very close second, for whatever brief moment Thanos is in it.)

      #truth

  8. In the movie Thor, there’s a deleted scene in which Selvig mentions both Banner and Pym. Pym has created technology to help humanity and the planet. He might be asked to work on the technology of the Chitauris and develops a piece of AI in order to protect earth. He then asks Stark to help him make improvements and by doing so they make this AI self aware. Is in this moment that Arnim Zola does something to corrupt said tech and tries to condition it to do his bidding.

    It has also been mentioned that Ultron will be introduced in CA the Winter Soldier.

    I agree that the way a character is portrayed in the comics can’t be done to the very detail but I believe it has to be close enough to the source material. IM 3 is a good film but I have to say that the Mandarin deviates a lot from its origin. People found that a cunning movement but in my opinion the combination of the Mandarin with the extremis story arc left a great deal to be desired.

  9. I really hate the direction they’re taking with this. Could easily be solved with a Pym cameo instead of giving Stark Ultron. Ant-Man could be a prequel or something. I don’t know. There are a million better ways to do this.

  10. I do not get excited anymore over which characters they are adding because I always get my hopes up and Bam!!! they have completely changed my favorites or under use them. I say if the film is good it will be good if not I will shred it to pieces at every weak little detail or every five minute explosion action scene right down the seam, so next time they make a film it will be good.

  11. They should just call the new avenger movie iron man 4…

    • Money talks, the fans still want iron man(and loki).

  12. I’ve always hated Giant Man, Ant Man and even the Wasp. Seemed too juvenile and cartoony for me, even as a child. You also have to realize that 90 percent of the people going to this movie will not be aware of the previous canon regarding Ultron and Pym. So, although I don’t care for them deviating from canon, sometimes it is easier, if you make the story good enough. None of this is real anyway, so it’s just one more take on something that was imaginary to begin with.

    • When you grow up, you will understand that Giant-Man, Ant-Man, and Wasp are actually good characters. You want super-powered characters, well there you have them. Older but wiser, wisdom comes with age (and who’s gonna get smacked for a senility joke?).

  13. Not a big deal, just make a good movie.

  14. These movies though aren’t directly putting the Comic Books onto film, the movies are adaptations and whilst not all adaptations have worked (Mandarin and the combination of Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo for instance) most of them have. Stating that Ultron was made by Tony Stark and could be Jarvis spells out a few things: 1. The character Ultron will still be pretty much identical to how he is in the comics, just made by a different person and 2. We already have an actor to play him (who has already done a brilliant job) in Paul Bettany. Whilst its a shame that Ant-Man won’t get involved, Marvel Studios are wisely not overpacking Avengers 2 as we already have the established characters of: Cap., Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye and they will establish: Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver and Falcon by 2015. Add Ant-Man and Wasp into the mix and we have far too many superheroes for one film.

  15. The idea is kinda of bad, it would make more sense to give Hank Pym a cameo in A2, see him having a meeting with Tony Stark witht he ultron head, you don’t have to disclose who Hank Pym is and what he does.. you can set up Ant Man like you did In Iron Man 2 with Scarlett Johansson/Black Widow. You Brought her into as some shield/ secretary not disclosing shes someone important to the non-fanboys. Why cant you do the same with Hank Pym? In the comics Hank and Tony Create Ultron right? Its Hank’s AI and its Tony Suit Blueprints/Core, so it makes sense to use Tony to have a meeting with Hank and have them displaying the ultron head, a 30 sec scene where Hank is rushed away with some arrogant comments and pushed on to pepper potts, and then back to the A2 script. There for you introduced the bad guy early on (Ultron) set up Hank Pym for his own movie and really can give him the major credit with Tony getting some credit. Then you can start off Pym Movie with some background from when Ultron got created and the Avengers ahd to stop him then show who Pym is and what he can do. That would give you insight into him as a character and how he is connected……. OH!! and give Pym a small bart at the end of the clips something about his uniform, this will be the second part of setting him up cause movie goesers are now waiting for those, not just the fanboys.

  16. WOW! WOW! WOW! will u all just STOP with the pointless speculation… MARVEL STUDIOS are doing a phenomenal job of not only defining comic book heroes to the big BIG screen but also how to plug & feed the hunger for drip-feed details on each film & character years ahead of release! we also know they are Kings of Deception in the art of misdirection… isn’t that why we just LOVE Joss Whedon & Kevin Feige??! ANT-MAN had been heralded & talked about since Phase 1 building hype & commonplace chat around a relatively (for mainstream moviegoers) little known character, same goes for QUICKSILVER… they are masterminds & game-changers as far as that goes… so why not just trust a little! Hank Pym has been name-dropped more than once already so who’s to say he won’t cameo in
    A:AoU… films don’t rise & fall on fanboy truisms, they rise & fall on great storylines & great performances – it will be Easter all over again for diehard fans and Christmases all at once for general audiences… MARVEL hv fastened seatbelts, on the driving seat and hv their foot down hard. dig!

  17. I don’t understand you guys, I don’t know where are you come from and I mean no offense, but let’s take a look: ever since the title of Avengers sequel came out and Whedon reveals there’s no Hank Pym in the creation of Ultron, the world seems to be in chaos, I’ve heard complains everywhere, peoples even take Iron Man 3 out to be an example, said the twist kill the movie like this, murder the canon like that… and finally said it sucked, it dissapointed blah blah… I assumed that most of you are from the USA or North America, even Europe, but I’m Asian, and we Asian dont care about the history, the canon or anything relate to these Western Superheros, as long as the movies are good, we’ll give a damn, the Mandarin could be crap, Ultron’ll become Stark’s creation could be s*** to you, but the number will say it all, Iron Man 3 made 1.2 billions, and that’s that, Avengers 2 will make more than 1.5 billions I suppose, that’s the fact. You can say you’re dissapointed or anything, but you guys are not the only regions that pay the ticket price, so deal with it, Iron Man 3 rocked, everyone I know that watched it loved it, so will the Avengers Age of Ultron, and I completely put all my trust on Whedon, I believe he know exactly what he’s doing.

    Again, I mean no offense and sorry if I’m saying anything wrong, English’s not my native language :)

    • It’s not about money. It’s about art and good stories. These heroes are our modern mythology. As I said in a previous, this would be the same as setting Gilgamesh in Africa or making a Hercules movie in which he is not the son of Zeus. You’re point about us not being the only ones who pay the ticket price is moot because you would still pay the ticket price if the story were canon. These changes are unnecessary and THAT is the reason people are upset. In the comics Nick Fury was aline in WWII and fought alongside Captain America. He led Howling Commandos and even fought alongside Wolverine. In the movies that doesn’t work because of the time difference between now and the canon and that’s ok. That change is acceptable because it doesn’t detract from the characters. To make Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver NOT mutants and NOT the children of Magneto, arguably one of the most powerful mutants in the world, is a huge change. There’s a very clear parallel between the story of Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein and the story of Pym and Ultron. Now we won’t have that. It detracts from what makes the characters interesting. Sure, they could be made interesting in other ways, but they won’t be the same characters. Might as well just make up new characters. Again, money isn’t the issue. It would still make 1.5 billion if they kept it closer to canon. It’s about the art, the story, and the characters that we as fans have looked up to for a long time, in some cases, for almost 100 years.

      • But Gilgamesh has been redone and retold in various different settings. It’s some of our earliest samples of literature and so like the Greek myths we have managed to pick it up and reshape it in a billion different ways. It works just fine.

        They can easily take the Frankenstein story and paste it on over Tony and Ultron. Easily. Nothing says that Victor has to be played by Pym. All it requires is a man intent on creating life and then rejecting the creature. Helps if he’s arrogant enough to believe he’s better than the scientific community and unable to admit to his own mistakes. Ignoring Frankenstein and going back to Avengers, I personally think it’s also vital that the person who creates Ultron works on the team because that’s where the impact is.

    • Just deal with it? I wouldn’t be surprised if you are one of the many that has read a book then get overly excited that it’s being adapted to the silver screen then come to the realization that the theatrical version is completely different from the book itself. It’s a spit in the face to loyal fans that have read the book(s) to only see directors pandering to commercial tastes. I can understand a few alterations done here and there to give a movie more realism but it’s like changing batman’s backstory and I know a lot of fans out there would be pissed off about it especially you. There is no dealing with it fans have to make demands and make there voices heard or directors will keep spitting in audiences faces.

      • Of course it’s a spit in the face to the royal fan, but lets think wider, because nearly 80% of the people who’ll watch it didn’t know anything about Ultron or Pym, I didn’t, all of my friends didn’t, my whole city didn’t, and dont tell me they’re focusing mainly on the story, not the money, because if the film become a bomb, it’ll be dropped, no one will ever talk about a sequel anymore, Avengers had made nearly 900 Millions worldwide proved it, no one care about the story if its true to the book or not, if its good, its good, and let’s face the truth that it’ll be more logical for Ultron to be Stark’s creation than to be that of Pym’s, because inside the MCU, Stark is the greatest weapon/robotic inventor at this time, someone suddenly “jump” out of the bush and get a upperhand will be lame

        I’ve heard somebody said that Tony suddenly become brilliant in his first film, Bruce was too in The Avengers, so Pym could, but a great, powerful and complicated robot being like Ultron should be Stark’s or the likes at this level, you put Pym there just to satisfy the royal fans could cause a mess to common fans like us, I do agree that even the story true to the book we’ll still pay the ticket price to go watch it, but if it sucks, it’ll be one time only, we’ll never rewatch it again, that has been applied to Man of Fool, it had made only 360 Millions worldwide because non of my friends and those in the asia that I’ve known went watch it again (those same peoples that rewatch Avengers for a forth time at the cinema follow its release), and received a really really big BOO within my region (a man sat next to me even fell asleep during the first half, god..), even when Superman was a BIG name, and the story mostly true to the book..

        Correct me if I’m wrong, cause I’m just a casual fan, and not too much into the books

      • *Sorry, loyal, not royal, English is not my native again he he

        • I will correct you for being wrong. I’m not saying money isn’t a factor because this is a business after all. You are correct in saying that people will still see it even if it isn’t close to canon. You are wrong in saying that 80% of people who go see this movie don’t know who Hank Pym is and I think it’s highly arrogant of you to speak for your whole city no matter what country you happen to be in. Just because you don’t understand where the fans are coming from doesn’t give you the right to tell us to “deal with it.” Let’s make a DBZ movie in which Vegeta and Goku turn out to be brothers and Raditz is their dad. Ya know, because it’ll just fit the story better. That was sarcasm in case it didn’t get across the language barrier. I’m not sure which part of Asia you’re from but if it’s China you must be familiar with the myth of the Jade Emperor. How about we make a movie about him and instead of Zhinu being his daughter and responsible for the weaving of all the clouds and even the Milky Way we can just give him that power and forget she ever existed. That would be unnecessary wouldn’t it? Why change that? It serves no purpose. I remember the outrage in BOTH countries when Chinese actresses were cast in the leading roles of Memoirs of a Geisha. Nobody here in America cared at all but it mattered to a lot of people and they had a good point. It was a historical piece and to have a Chinese actress play a Japanese character in a movie that is partly about WWII was insulting to many people. You may not care if Avengers 2 follows some semblance of canon but because you admit to just be a casual fan, you don’t get to say whether or not it’s ok to make these huge changes. And that’s not being bitter or something. If your point is correct that lots of people will still see even if they change the story then I am also correct in saying that all of you people who have no clue about these characters will still see it if it DOES follow canon and you won’t know the difference. We, the fans who enjoy all the different facets of these characters, do not want to see them dramatically altered to fit the view of the average movie-goer. It’s insulting.

  18. Paul Bettany would be the most unintimidating voice actor for ultron possible – I do not think
    they will take that route.

  19. In the cinematic marvel universe, stark is the cybernetics guy… Pym will be the srinking/enlarging guy. RDJ can’t have another robotic genius running around, it’s bad enough with Banner throwing his 2 cents in, and with other genius’s like T’Challa waiting in the wings… each character has their place, and Pym is just too busy.

    Pym does it all, in the comics he played with shrink/enlarge, robots, AI, genes, lasers, betamax, electronic battleship, dyson vacuums, etc. He’s to powerful for the movies, they need to pare him down to one field of specialization. I get this move.

    But I do see the problems down the road with the backstory/progress of characters, Scarlett Witch, Vision, Ultron, Wonder Man, Quicksilver, Wasp, etc… this could be a Xmen:last stand apocalypse domino effect if their not careful.

  20. I still don’t see why Whedon painted himself into a character backstory/progress corner with Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch. They aren’t going to be Magneto’s kids, they aren’t going to be mutants, and they aren’t terribly interesting either without those aspects to their characters. They’re gonna be completely different characters except in name and powers. He could have avoided the inevitable backlash by just picking different characters. There are any number of heroes he could have picked to add into Avengers 2. This would have been the perfect time to introduce Ms. Marvel, Luke Cage and Iron Fist, Namor, The Vision, Wonder Man, Mockingbird, Human Torch (the android not the F4 one), or even She-Hulk or something. I know that Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch were on the Avengers team back in the 60′s but with the studio property separations Whedon is basically gonna have to turn them into compltely new characters.

  21. there is only two possibilities for me who the creator since it is not hank pym/ ant man that leaves us with tony stark and shield

    “SPOILERS FOR IM3″Tony stark: the reason i think it might be tony because that in IM3 he blows up all his suits and he gets all the crap out of his heart and he might have built a robot to replace him in the team (ultron) so that he can live his life with pepper so when he creates it he could possibly upload JARVIS into ultron and he could go rogue and take over the world.

    S.H.I.E.L.D: it might be shield since that the world council (the people speaking to fury to blow up new york) don’t like the the avengers and they thought that if they built something better stronger then they would no longer let the fate of the world to FREAKS but it could go rogue and the avengers might have to clean up Shields/world councils mess

    but knowing me i would miss something obvious and it wont be either of them

  22. So it looks like The Stig becomes Ultron.

    World’s End was pretty much the worst movie I have ever seen. It sucked on such a major scale.

    I usually love anything with Simon Pegg in it but this film comes across as if it were written by a bunch of drunk guys just out of high school who thought the humor funny due to the influence of alcohol. The script never got a second draft.

    I even saw the other crapfest about the end of the world with James Franco and it was better than World’s End.

    Surely no one is going to invest their hard earned cash with someone who made such a dog of a film.

  23. I feel the reason we’re JUMPING into an Age of Ultron movie this quick, is X-Men Days of Future Past. MCU knows this is STILL a business. And in this business, no one likes to look “second best”. XMEN DOFP, I believe will follow the 90s cartoon arc of the same name, more closely compared to the comic itself. Thus, leading to Age of Apocalypse sequel(s). Also with the help (maybe) of the now green-lit, X-Force film. Now think: Age of Apocalypse, Time Travel, Magneto’s kids, X-Force (with more than likely Cable at the helm)…all can go hand in hand, really. Whedon I’d say only added Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch to his roster, to simply OUT-DO Fox’s X-Men. The same can be said with randomly picking Ultron as the next villain and STRATEGICALLY call it Age of Ultron (and not have it, in any way, follow the comic arc of the same name.) In a sense to hopefully snuff out Apocalypse as the main baddie (and especially the Age of Apocalypse title, if not) from Fox’s X-World. It’s a “who can do it first, and if not, better” game. Don’t forget DC’s properties either. With the announcement of a Flash film and series, it’s only smart business to drop an IN-HOUSE speedster to the masses, and beat DC to it. To regulate Flash to nothing more than a Quicksilver wannabe, to those who aren’t already familiar with the characters, of course. Also, we have a Batman+Superman combo already being worked on. I think all of these companies, have seen the cash cow that Superhero flicks are. And sometimes sticking to canon/taking time to build UP TO an already established story and beating the next guy to it..is simply undoable.

  24. Ugh WHO the hell cares ? As long as its a good movie and a decent plot and makes money Im happy.

    • Wrong

    • same here he he, I still believe almost 80% worldwide didn’t know anything about Ultron, heck, my friends didn’t even know who are the Justice League ha ha, the good stories are matter, follow canon or not

  25. For some people ignorance is bliss. Just because a movie makes tons of money doesn’t necessarily mean is a good film, remember ‘The Last Air bender’.

    Some people say; “give me a good story ah but I don’t read comics” so I don’t care. These are the kind of people that go to the cinema and say “a ticket to whatever you have”. Please don’t be conformists.

    If this movies are successful is because there have been people writing stories, fans who have bought them. People who have watched the cartoons. Those who buy the graphic novels. Those who have bought every single video game from Atari to PS3. If writers or fans alike express an opinion is because they have earn the right to do so.

    • Correct. Thank you

    • What measures their success though?? I grew up on the comics and cartoons, and know the source material, much like you probably do. But, I feel the ones like us who actually buy the books, novels, games, etc…ie, FANS, aren’t the majority who make these films a success. I think it’s actually the ones like Gene. Who simply want to see it due to it’s now ultra popularity. And we can be overly critical at times, because like you said..we’ve invested in these stories and characters, and have earned the right to do so.

      • I know we fans are a small minority but I also think they kind of owe it to the fans to remain at least somewhat true to the material WE helped make popular. I’m not saying a a right down the line adaption but BS like making The Mandarin a puppet and not having Pym be Ultron’s creator are major deviations and a slap in the face to us fans.

        The thing that worries me the most about all these major deviations is Marvel might decide to make THOSE changes permanent canon in the near future to better acclimate and lure in that new potential fan.

  26. If you start changing one part of the storyline from the comics it will end up bringing the whole movie down.

    Now everyone who reads the comics will be like ‘Where is Hank Pym in Avengers 2′ Whats it the tie that allows Hank Pym to join the Avengers – Ultron… and now they’re removing that aspect.

    Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver seem like they are being forced into the script to simply say ‘we own the characters’ and compete against ‘days of future past’

    As for Black Widow and Hawkeye being main character – they were the worst aspect of the first movie, being their for sex appeal and fan service respectively.

  27. I don’t understand this massive fear that Ultron wont be created by Hank Pym. All we know is that Joss Whedon said “Ant Man” wont be in Avengers 2.

    Ok that doesn’t mean Hank Pym wont. So theory #1 is they have to save a surprise or twist for us somehow so he may be it.

    Theory #2 is if we take Joss Whedon at his word that there will be no Ant Man or no Hank Pym. It doesn’t mean that they’ll explain Ultron’s origin AT ALL. Villains appear out of nowhere ALL THE TIME. JOker did, The Chatari in Avengers did, the Ice elves in Thor, all appeared as Villains with absolutely no explanation.

    So Ultron appears through computuer programs and causes utter chaos. No one knows if its a person or organization the whole movie. Its just mentioned as a noun or entity. In the climax its visualized in a Humanoid robotic suit, a variation of Iron Man’s suit (or its assumed it is)

    THEN in the schwarma scene at the end of the movie we come to find out Hank Pym was behind the creation of the robot and Ultron the program.

    NOW the casual movie goer has reason to care about Ant Man and Hank Pym. We all assumed Tony created him but then we come to realize their is technology beyond Tony’s comprehension. And so we question who is this Hank Pym guy, is he smarter then Tony and Bruce Banner?, is he good or bad? why did he create Ultron?

    That’s what the casual movie goer will be left with as they leave Avengers 2.

  28. I agree that regular people are the ones who provide the success to superhero films at least financially speaking. Nevertheless, I strongly believe there has to be a balance on how much you can change a story. We as fans or die hard fans created enough hype for studios to decide to make the films.

    In that sense studios must show some respect. Sooner or later superhero films will loose support from the general public. The only ones who will continue endorsing them will be us, fans and die hard fans alike but if they continue fooling around with crazy changes such as the ones they want to make to F4 then I can already say studios are doomed.

  29. No one seems to realize that this is a DIFFERENT UNIVERSE from the main one portrayed in the comics. This is Earth-19999999, not the 616 one in the comics. . .SO OF COURSE THERE WILL BE DIFFERENCES! Though I do sort of get the disappointment in messing up continuity.