Why Ultron is in ‘Avengers 2′ Instead of the ‘Ant-Man’ Movie

Published 2 years ago by , Updated August 20th, 2013 at 2:22 pm,

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It’s ironic that Marvel Studios has been long heralded as the comic book movie studio that fans deserve – primarily because of the perception amongst said “fans” that Marvel would always honor its own characters and canon in the way that other studios – like Fox and Sony – would not.

Now, with Marvel Phase Two, we are seeing some radical departures from traditional Marvel comic book canon (see: The Mandarin in Iron Man 3) – and that deviation will continue all the way through The Avengers: Age of Ultron, the culminating chapter of Phase Two and immediate predecessor to Edgar Wright’s Ant-Man movie, which will kick off Marvel Phase Three in fall of 2015. As many Marvel fanboys have noticed, that ordering - Avengers 2 before Ant-Man - has been more than a little problematic, where canon is concerned.

In the comics, Ultron – the Skynet-style artificial intelligence/robot that often terrorizes The Avengers – was created by scientist Hank Pym, the alter-ego of Ant-Man. It’s still unclear whether or not Hank Pym will be introduced in The Avengers: Age of Ultron, but we do know that Ultron will be getting a (no pun) retooled origin story, with speculation leaning toward Tony Stark’s A.I. system Jarvis going rogue and creating the villain (in some form or fashion).

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This is, as stated, a bold deviation from Marvel canon – one that will inevitably leave some fans upset – which is why Ant-Man writer/director Edgar Wright discussed the reasoning for keeping Ultron’s origin out of Hank Pym’s movie, while speaking with Huffpo:

[Ultron] was never in my script. Because even just to sort of set up what Ant-Man does is enough for one movie. It’s why I think “Iron Man” is extremely successful because it keeps it really simple. You have one sort of — the villain comes from the hero’s technology. It’s simple. So I think why that film really works and why, sometimes, superhero films fail — or they have mixed results — because they have to set up a hero and a villain at the same time. And that’s really tough. And sometimes it’s unbalanced.

You know, when I was younger I used to love Tim Burton’s “Batman.” I was like 15 and even then I was aware, “This is really the Joker’s film.” It’s like, the Joker just takes over and Batman, you really don’t learn too much about him. Comics haveyears to explain this stuff and in a movie you have to focus on one thing. So it’s about kind of streamlining, I think. Some of the most successful origin films actually have a narrower focus. You cannot put 50 years of the Marvel universe into a movie. It’s impossible.

With that mind-state, Wright seems to feel extra fortunate that his subject is Ant-Man, a superhero that is far from mainstream in the minds of casual moviegoers:

I think there’s something in that it’s a lesser known character, there’s hopefully more license. For the one percent of people who are like, “Wait, Hank Pym would never do that!” there’s 99 percent going, “Who’s Hank Pym?” So, to me, the source material is great but it also frees you up to be like: I’m going to make a movie. The movie is not going to represent 50 years of Marvel comics because that’s impossible. But I’m going to make a 100 minute movie — or 110 minutes [laughs].

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Want to know what changes executives tried to make with Scott Pilgrim, or what Wright has done with his latest film, The World’s End? Then read the full interview.

Meanwhile, how do you feel about the changes being made to the Ultron and Hank Pym characters? Do you feel betrayed by Marvel, or are they just doing what they need to do to make successful and entertaining films? Let us know in the comments.


The Avengers: Age of Ultron Will be in theaters on May 1, 2015; Ant-Man on November 6, 2015

Source: HuffPo

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  1. ant-man is being mocked, not cool.

  2. can’t just change a storyline like that, it’s not cool.

  3. They probably used this as incentive to get RDJ back on the project.

    Ok we’ll give you another 10 million.

    RDJ – Pfah…

    Ok we’re rewriting the script to exclude an original character & one of the avengers main villains to make it all about your character.

    RBJ – *eyes light up* more attention for meeee! yay I’m in !

  4. I’m not totally feeling betrayed by Marvel being a fanboy – I kinda understand the concept to make successful and entertaining films – Tony Stark’s A.I. system Jarvis going rogue and creating the villain (in some form or fashion). I like this idea – direction – If executed well – that would be Badass – It’s a totally different storyline we know but ….

  5. Can’t wait to see ‘Terminator 2: Judgment Day’ again……oh wait! ;-)
    *YAWN* Skipping this Avengers 2/Ant-Man issue,will pick-up A3 though :D

  6. It makes sense. Stark is already an established mechanical genius with nearly unlimited resources in the films. Pym is a more of a genius with chemistry and biology. His origin will need to establish his credentials. So no to Ultron, but yes to Pym particles.

  7. I think it would be nice if the brain imprinting part cited Pym somehow, maybe if Iron Man said he was making some leap in Jarvis’ AI based on some other dude’s brain mapping work or soemthing, implying Tony is behind the Ultron tech and programming parts, but Pym’s work, even without his knowledge, perhaps contributed. Brain mapping seems like a biological pursuit so they wouldn’t need two techno-geniuses jostling, and the mashing of their work could be the root of the issues.

    • That would actually work for me! There has to be atleast a reference to who really created Ultron….

  8. //”You cannot put 50 years of the Marvel universe into a movie. It’s impossible.”//

    BUT, apparently you can completely negate 50 years of the Marvel universe in one movie. This is just laziness!

  9. I like this idea. One thing to keep in mind, comic books are not at all the same story year after year, with new writers and artists the comics change all the time. I read The Amazing Spiderman growing up, but you have literally hundreds of different incantations on the character (Spectacular Spiderman, Spiderman Unlimited, Superior Spiderman, ect.). Just view the movies the way you would view a new artists take on the story. We all have our Earth-616 characters and stories we love, but I like that good filmmakers came put their own spin on things to make a good movie. The Avengers was amazing but it had almost nothing in common with the original comic story line. As a matter of fact almost every Marvel movie ever shifted dynamically from the comic book. In the end I think we will love what Joss Whedon does with it.

    • I couldn’t have said it better myself. Look at Nolan’s work on Batman. He used various storylines as the basis to tell an original story, albeit in movie form. EW is correct when he says it’s impossible to condense 50 yrs worth of story, history and characterisation into one movie, and I for one think that it would be a mistake to try. So long as he honours what’s important about the character then I think the movie will be a success. I really hope we get to see Wasp in this movie in some capacity too.

      With regards to Ultron, as long as Hank is involved in his development/creation in some degree (whether that be he used to work for Stark or Hank and Stark collaborated in some way, shape or form) I think that would be enough to appease the diehard fans of the character.

  10. Pym is a B-lister at best, same with Wasp. I never really liked either of them, but it’s just my opinion, others love Ant-Man.

    • i always thought of Ant-Man being kind of pointless, even the first two animated Avengers movies didn’t help. Actually those movies made me dislike ALL of the Avengers, i think… but the (now gone) Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes cartoon really did a lot of character development on Pym’s character, and Ultron’s creation. Pretty sure the early Ultron drones are around in episode one, but he doesn’t become self-aware as such until perhaps episode 23, with a gradual evolution going on behind the action. probably one of the best renditions of that character so far, and one of the best animated series as well. really made me wish they’d had him in the Avengers live action movie in retrospect!

      • I’ve watched the same series so I’m pretty pissed that marvel would screw this up.

  11. I believe that its problematic to invent a new Movie Story of Ultron even when Hank Pym is not the creator but Tony stark is.. Because then normaly Ultron would look like the Ironman designs and has not its ANT Looking desingn which Hank gave him. I believe the movie will be graet (both of them – Avengers 2 and Ant man) But i think we doont need more ironman suits.. we need Ultron to look like Ultron!

  12. Well that sucks they screwed that up

  13. Ultron makes Antman relavent. Its that simple. They are dumb for doing this

  14. Pretty sure I read an issue where Stark was the one that created Ultron?

    • You are so stupid!! Hank Pim created Ultron 1 and Tony Stark weaponized him. Ultron turned on him and made more Ultrons. And also made Vision. then Vision turned on Ultron and killed him.

  15. I think that they should at least have Hank Pym shown to be a partial developer in Tony Starks A.I. system to at least soften the blow to comic book fans.

    • Agreed. If your are not going to do the story right…. Atleast have a reference to the true story…

  16. Why would anyone create a villian without it’s creator!?!?!?!? Hank Pym needs to come out before Avengers 2! Then do some damn splicing to get Pym in the Avengers 2! Not that hard, it could be a project he never finished or was working on when there was an emergency and had to go…. leaving the project self sustained or something! You can’t have Avengers 2 WITHOUT Hank Pym (Antman)!!! Somebody up there in Marvel Studios is a damn tonto!

  17. I feel it is very stupid. I wish there was a Marvel Studios comment box because I am beyond upset. First of all the whole Ultron series from the comic was and is my absolute favorite Marvel storyline. They should make the Ant-Man movie before Avengers Age of Ultron, then they should put Hank in Avengers 2 and have him create Ultron. This is a huge part in Hank’s life when he creates Ultron, so why in the movie are they making Tony Stark create Ultron. This ruined my hopes for Avengers Age of Ultron, and since I can’t use profanity what the hel* is Marvel Studious thinking. I am very up set so lets sign a petition and send it into Marvel. Who’s with me!