‘The Avengers: Age of Ultron’ Features New Character Origin; No Ant-Man?

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When The Avengers broke worldwide box office records, it was only a matter of days before Disney’s leadership confirmed a sequel. The Avengers 2 got an official summer 2015 release date with the specific note that the film was untitled, leading us to believe that like all of the non-Iron Man films, future Avengers films would utilize specific subtitles instead of embracing a numbering scheme.

At the end of Marvel Studios’ Comic-Con 2013 panel, after footage was shown for the Thor and Captain America sequels, along with Guardians of the Galaxy, Joss Whedon came on stage and announced the title of the next project he’s writing and directing: The Avengers: Age of Ultron.

In chatting with Marvel.com today, Joss Whedon revealed some key points about the title and story Age of Ultron. The most important note is that despite the title, the film is not based on the “Age of Ultron” Marvel Comics miniseries from earlier this year.

“We’re doing our own version of the origin story for Ultron. In the origin story, there was Hank Pym, so a lot of people assumed that he will be in the mix. He’s not. We’re basically taking the things from the comics for the movies that we need and can use. A lot of stuff has to fall by the wayside.”

What’s interesting about the first appearance of Ultron in the late ’60s is that part of mysterious introduction had the character using a brainwashed Edwin Jarvis – Tony Stark’s butler – in his plans against The Avengers. In the films, Jarvis (voiced by Paul Bettany) takes the form of Stark’s assistant AI who has an integral role in his workshop and helping Stark command his Iron Legion of additional armored suits in battle.

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In the comics, genius scientist Henry Pym (Ant-Man) is responsible for the creation of Ultron, but if Pym is not part of the plan then Whedon isn’t joking about crafting their own Ultron origin story. The simple theory then is that Stark (Robert Downey Jr.) is perhaps responsible for the creation of Ultron and that Jarvis – in a twist on the Marvel Comics origin – may go rogue.

“We’re crafting our own version of it where his origin comes more directly from The Avengers we already know about. It’s a little bit darker than the other film because Ultron is in the house. There’s a science fiction theme that wasn’t there in the other one. Ultron is definitely something that evolves, so we’re going to get together a couple of different iterations. Nothing can be translated exactly as it was from the comics; particularly Ultron.”

The origin of Ultron stemming from the original Avengers roster adds more credence to the idea that Stark may be involved and such a plot would offer the needed motivator to get Stark back into the Iron Man armor after the events of Iron Man 3. As for there being no Hank Pym in the story, it would be odd for Marvel to not take advantage of their highest profile and most successful brand to help launch one of their riskiest in Ant-Man, a film that happens to come out just months after The Avengers: Age of Ultron. Don’t be surprised to meet Ant-Man, whether its Hank Pym or another incarnation of the character, in The Avengers 2.

Fun Fact: In Marvel Comics, Ultron is the creator of Vision, the eventual android Avenger and love interest of Scarlet Witch.

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More: Does Tony Stark Create Ultron in ‘The Avengers 2′?

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Thor: The Dark World on November 8, 2013, Captain America: The Winter Soldier on April 4, 2014, Guardians of the Galaxy on August 1, 2014Avengers: Age of Ultron on May 1, 2015, Ant-Man on November 6, 2015, and unannounced films for May 6 2016, July 8 2016 and May 5 2017.

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  1. I definatly think Ultron is a rouge Jarvis for Avengers 2

  2. I’m a Hank Pym fan but those changes sound fine to me. Tbh if they go down the route of ultron evolving from J.A.R.V.I.S it would flow so much better and feel like a logical progression of the story we’ve seen. Pym is a tough nut to crack in comics let alone a Disney funded movie… What with the wife beating and all.
    I think Ant-man will be introduced as a legacy character, with Hank Pym developing the tech when Howard Stark was in his prime, Scott Lang will be the first Ant-Man who passes the torch to Eric O’Grady.’
    This is going to be a tent-pole disney FAMILY comedy. Guilt ridden Pym, wife beating Pym versus affable jerk Eric O’Grady… What would YOU back with your investor money?

    • Why is my comment awaiting mods?

    • I’m a Hank Pym fan but those changes sound fine to me. Tbh if they go down the route of ultron evolving from J.A.R.V.I.S it would flow so much better and feel like a logical progression of the story we’ve seen. Pym is a tough nut to crack in comics let alone a Disney funded movie… What with the wife beating and all.
      I think Ant-man will be introduced as a legacy character, with Hank Pym developing the tech when Howard Stark was in his prime, Scott Lang will be the first Ant-Man who passes the torch to Eric O’Grady.’
      This is going to be a tent-pole disney FAMILY comedy. Guilt ridden Pym, wife beating Pym versus affable but sleazy Eric O’Grady… What would YOU back with your investor money?

  3. I have a different theory from Rob’s on Ultron’s origin. I don’t think it will have anything to do with Stark at all. I think Whedon would go with the more believable. I think the clue to Ultron’s origin is in the clip of a strange temple in Marvel’s Avengers 2 promo. I think Ultron will be a ‘relic’ from an alien civilization who built a fortress on Earth many years ago. SHIELD is called to investigate. I don’t think the superhero geniuses in the Marvel moviedom are portrayed as near omniscient as they appear in the comics. I doubt Whedon would like the idea of Stark creating something that can challenge a god, the Hulk and the other Avengers. What material would his body be made of? Better Ultron be made of alien material and composition. No human creation. Unless maybe Ultron took control of Jarvis or Jarvis was forced into the essence of the alien relic. But no.. I doubt Ultron will be solely a human creation.

  4. its pretty easy to guess how this will go, seeing as Pym wont be introduced in Avengers 2 and its confirmed Ultron will have a new origin. Stark will be the creator of Ultron. The world needs iron man, but he promised not to wear the suit again to pepper in Iron Man 3. So he creates a robot run by jarvis to do the iron man job. He gives it the ability to learn. It turns rogue. Avengers have to save the day.

    • Yup pretty much this.

    • How will cap 2 be the lead in to the age of ultron??

      • Maybe shield built it – with some of the “phase 2″ stuff they recovered?

      • Think cap two will setup the climate the heros find themselves in. Whther they are treated as “heroes” or perceived as enemies of the state? Hard to say. In a twist Ultron could be Sheild’s misuse of Stark tech in so far as Ultron’s task is to hunt down the avengers only to “evolve” into considering all the humanity as fit to be exterminated.

        • “The State” always looked up to The Avengers and fantastic Four in the comics (until recent issues). This was true for many years. It was The X-Men they (“The State”) were always afraid of.

          • Changing around the canon so much for things like the Mandarin issue and Ultron issue–messing with the origins–is like messing with the Constitution, and saying someone else wrote it, or that George Washington was not the Father of our country, but that it could have been done just a well by tubby old Ben Franklin who was told to go fly a kite! STICK! TO! SOURCE! MATERIAL! –and the fans and movie-goers will stick with Marvel. Why p*ss off the fanboy base of your loyal movie-goers in their own element? The regular folk will go see the movie irregardless. The fanboys will be more like wounded tigers out there in the jungle and remember the movie-makers not keeping the faith. Surely our loyalty is worth more than that (I speak a a fanboy, tried and true!)?

            • I know how hard is it…Stan,Jack,Steve,John(s),Roy etc already wrote it for you!!!Writing CBM movies should be a no brainer.Just follow the frigging source material!!!!

    • I thought so too! It is going to be exactly as you described!

  5. Present day comic book fans are getting up in arms about these changes in the films and citing how it ignores the foundations of the original stories, but most of what people collect today is similar to the movies in that they take known characters and story set-ups and tweak them for a newer audience. The whole Ultimate’s line and all of the alternate earths Marvel (and I guess DC) use now are constructed the same way as the films, they are sort of recognizable to people who may not collect any more but geared toward a new audience.

    Just like the companies do not really care about getting former fans back, the movie studios are not looking to cater to one market group that in all honesty can be very fickle. Iron Man and the Avengers did not do the numbers it did based on comic book fans going to see the film, it was probably more people who have no clue about most of the big and small details of the actual comic book versions.

    The main thing is the studios know a certain amount of comic book fans will go see many of these films regardless of either real or perceived short-comings. And like the saying in business goes; you do not try to appeal to fans you already have, you have to draw in the one’s who are not fans.

    • Well said, very sad for us fanboys, but absolutely true!

    • Yup. I read a couple of comics when I was a kid, but that’s it. But I’ve read enough comics to know that storywise they are a complete clu******ck anyway, so it doesn’t really matter what they do with the movies, because it’s impossible to keep up with all the weird twists, turns and retconning that they came up with over the decades. That’s why I couldn’t care less about the original storylines that comic book movies are based on. ;)

    • hey, as long as Ultron is not interpreted as an actor playing a made-up terrorist, i don’t mind the changes. just make the changes worthwhile. origins can be forgiven as long as the essence (character, abilities, etc.) is still there.

    • All these change-artists need a tweaking!

      • That is not…a real thing!

  6. I’m happy the Ant-Man hasn’t got anything to do with the Ultronor that he won’t appear in A2. Becuase he is so f**king lame, I can’t even say his name without cringing. I mean Ant-Man, how do you translate that to the big screen? the movie title can’t possibly be Ant-Man.

    • Pole Pokem, er, pollockeum, or whatever talks about a character who is lame, but he has not got a leg to stand on himself. He needs to read up on Pym from the beginning, and then he would see for many reasons why Giant-Man et al. is a “big deal”!

  7. I read Astonishing X-Men by Whedon. Don’t want to spoil it for people who haven’t read it, but this definitely sounds like the EXACT same thing he did with the Danger Room A.I. Oh well, so much for originality.

    • To be fair Danger and Ultron are essentially the same character, evil A.I Robots who turn on their creators/owners. The only difference is that Hank Pym built his robot while the X-Men found their one.

      Also we don’t know what the story is going to be just that one of the current Avengers are responsible for Ultron. So why complain about something that is pure speculation?

  8. Oh, wow evil!JARVIS would be quite a skynet twist, I think that would be very very interesting.

    I mean, we saw JARVIS controlling the Iron Legion. Stark creates Ultron, then Ultron turns bad and JARVIS along with him?

    I don’t mind the alternate story, no matter how it happens. If they always followed the comics to the letter there would be not surprise, everyone would know what would happen and what’s interesting in that?

    I like new things and new takes on stories. So yeah, Age of Ultron sounds really awesome to me.

  9. Sorry folks, but I think it is pointless to discuss this at the moment. We can’t judge before hand.

    Ultron did come from Hank Pym in the comics, and now it may come from Tony Stark, Jarvis, SHIELD or even Wanda (btw, not sure why none mentioned this option as it has been established that she will have a prominent role and now we know they movie will be about Ultron). All those options could be good or bad, and it all depends on whether it serves properly the story or not.

    The original source is an inspiration but cannot be definitive on all counts. Not all comic book elements can’t be translated into movies and we have accepted this in many occasions. We already have the good comics and now we want the good movies, which doesn’t mean that they have to be an exact replica. Everybody enjoyed The Avengers movie and we all know those were not exactly the founding members or exactly their origin story. Did that ruin the movie for you?

    We have to wait and see and judge the story on its own merits.

    • “Sorry folks, but I think it is pointless to discuss this at the moment. We can’t judge before hand” *writes 2 more paragraphs*….

      • Haha

      • *writes 2 more paragraphs*… elaborating on that same idea…

        None can say right now whether this is great news or terrible news. Hence, pointless.

        • Yeah, I can. I did previously, and I will again. It’s terrible news, for me, since I want Hank to be in the movie and to create Ultron. Of course, that doesn’t mean that Marvel won’t make the creation of Ultron interesting.

          • Forcing Hank in the movie could create more problems than satisfactions, while using already established elements such as Stark/Jarvis/Shield might make for a much more coherent film.

            The MCU has life on its own now. Remember that there are many people that have seen the movies but not the comics. Marvel also has to care for the continuity of the cinematic universe. Perhaps this time around we will have consistency, since we have seen way too many times how the continuity in the comics has been shattered…

            If people could deal with the Ultimates vs. the original comics, people can deal with a paralel movie universe, no?

    • Until Avengers #3, I wonder if Ultron will be the Chess-master moving the pieces (Pietro and Wanda), with just an appearence at the end of Avengers #2? Although I have not figured out how he would fit in with Thanos if I follow that thread, tho.

  10. Way to shake the mood, Whedon =))

  11. I honestly hope Josh reads commentary from
    fans on sites like this and. Knows that having
    Ultron in Avengers 2 without Pym is …..theres
    just no word to describe….its all there in the
    comics. A CBM movie should be the easiest
    thing to write….because Stan.Jack.Steve
    .Roy.John etc already wrote it for you!!! Why is
    it so hard???

    • Hmm, I don’t know…maybe because Whedon, like so many other filmmakers who care about the craft, actually want to be original. Sure, he could most definitely copy Stan, Jack, Steve, Roy and John’s work, or he could adapt the story into his own view and do something original because it’s more of a challenge to him personally.

      • its not copying. Its having something written, adapted into a movie, for our visual pleasure. I know of Ultrons origin in the comics, and I, personally, would like to see it on the big screen.
        Regardless, i am gonna see the movie.

        • If an original author writes something, they would probably resent something being capsulized, sort of like the Reader’s Digest abridged version. It is no longer the full flavor of what he or she wrote.

  12. So Hank Pym won’t be the creator of Ultron?
    … You just made me a sad bear Mr Whedon :(
    Seriously, why do that?! Marvel is supposed to be the studio who keeps true to the comics! They must know the fans are gonna be pissed about this. I know I am.

    It would really not have been difficult to work Hank Pym into the story (he only needed a minor role for crying out loud).

    Really disappointed by this. My faith is already a little shaken after the whole Mandarin thing. If anybody, I would have guessed Whedon would do the story and the characters justice.

    It goes without saying, I’m not expecting a panel for panel adaption of the origin of Ultron, but I would have expected them to at least get the basics right with this.

  13. Screenrant any reason why my comment is still awaiting moderation? Happens once too often

  14. YES!

    i have a great idea that is going to be better than a character no one knows (hank pym).

    my theory is J.A.R.V.I.S… yep. he goes corrupt. not really sure how it will all happen but i think that is what is gong to happen. jarvis will create the shell (ultron) and be in it. we saw it with iron man 3, he was in all of the iron men.

    every body is more attached to that character more than hank. he always makes me smile with its witty remarks to tony.

    • I disagree.
      That idea sounds like an interesting “what if” story line for the comics, but it’s in no way better than the classic Ultron origin imo.
      JARVIS going bad? Meh. Paul Bettany voicing Ultron? Underwhelming.
      Ultron should be a new AI. Otherwise, why call it Ultron? Might as well just call it Evil Jarvis then.

      And besides, don’t you think it’s a little premature to say no one is attached to Hank Pym? …Seeing as Hank Pym hasn’t even been INTRODUCED in the movies yet? ;)
      Of course people will be more attached to a character/AI that they’ve seen. That doesn’t mean no one will get attached to Ant-Man once he’s finally introduced. For all you know, Hank Pym could be the next fan favorite character! It all depends on the talent involved.

      • did you not read this….

        What’s interesting about the first appearance of Ultron in the late ’60s is that part of mysterious introduction had the character using a brainwashed Edwin Jarvis – Tony Stark’s butler – in his plans against The Avengers.

        • And? What does that have to do with anything?
          Ultron using JARVIS, and Ultron BEING JARVIS are two completely different things.

    • I would have rather had Jarvis be a bald-headed Alfredian butler that is human from the get-go, as well.

  15. I like the way this is going. If they bring back Paul Bettany and have him as Ultron… whoa! The Avengers are in for a wild ride. I don’t think this is as disrespectful as Shane Black’s Mandarin twist, this is using what’s already there and working in the backstory.

    I can understand why they focused on Pym being the “shrinking” guy and only that, Pym from the comics did it all, including robot-making, vision, ultron…. that’s stark’s domain in the movies so… yeah this sort of makes economical sense.

    here’s a possible synopsis: The avengers find Scarlett Witch and enlist her, Jarvis calculates her power, the possibilities of her reality warping powers shortcircuit Jarvis’ logic program and he tries to remove her, permanently,… avengers protect her, war begins.

    this also confirms Thanos for A3.

    • How about Vin Diesel as Ultron & Paul Bettany as The Vision?!!!

      • Bettany appearing as Vision would be epic.

    • Thanos has always been mentioned for TA3… Whendon said saving him for the Big Finale…

  16. I don’t know much about the comics so I can’t say I’m pissed about the deviation from the story. It sounds like the Avengers could possibly turn their backs on Tony Stark because of his involvement in the creation of Ultron (if Rob’s guess is correct). If so, then not only could there be distrust towards Shield, there would be distrust towards one of their own and I guess that’s how the movie will be more darker, more personal especially if Ultron does a lot of damage.

  17. Im not going to say I hate it or it will suck. However I REALLY dislike statements like this:

    “Nothing can be translated exactly as it was from the comics; particularly Ultron”

    That really make no sense especially when it comes to a character like Ultron. My question would be why not? It is not like he needs to be reinvented for the times.

    Ultron is SkyNet in a Adamantium shell.

  18. I have always believed that adaptation is essential to these sort of projects. To assume that the original is always the best is naive, especially when we look at the characters we already have-most have undergone extreme development to become those we are familiar with today.

    Rob’s guess is logical given what we have seen so far in the series and has roots in Ultrons creation in New Avengers: Heroes of Tomorrow which basically follows this, so could be argued isn’t a complete deviation from the source material but the use of a less well known version.

  19. This’ll piss off the nerds big time

    • ^ I’m a nerd, and I approve this message ^

      • I am a nerd too, and I am a little pissed, but at least its not as bad as the Mandarin twist. Literally had to just walk out of the theater for a short while.

    • Yep. I’m a nerd. I’m pissed.

    • See no changes. Hear no changes. Speak no changes. Make no changes. I am p*ssed like a giant kidney. The bladder has spoken!

  20. Why do they bother to call it Age of Ultron if they’ll have to throw a lot of that story by the wayside? It sounds like what they did with Iron Man 3 – promote it as taking elements from the Extremis storyline, but really only glazing over the barebones of that story and filling it with other worthless crap. God I hope it’s not the case with this film.

    • This is no where near the Mandarin twist buddy. Ultron will still be Ultron, a genocidal robot with a personal vendetta against the Avengers, he won’t be a toaster with a cell phone attached that turns out to be Trevor talking through jail… lol The basic premise of Ultron is still intact, while as IM3 took a crap all over Mandarin, and as far as I’m concerned he wasn’t even in that movie.

      • Incorrect. It’s JUST as bad as the what was done with the Mandarin and in some ways worse because they are completely writing OUT one of the founding members of the Avengers.

        How would you like it if say Batman was just written out of the JL…big deal right? They have Green Arrow be the financial backing and MM would then pick up the slack with all behind the scenes stuff (he also impersonates a Detective) and operations. Everything is essentially the same, the JL goes on with barely a hiccup right?

        • Great example, Mongoosaroo! Wish I had thought of it! No Bats or even Supes in the JLA? Haw, that would cause a few of the pucker-pusses to explode! And for those who think Ant-Man is lame, The Atom could lead the JLA! Still a big heroic organization, and big things come in small packages (“The Atom”). Yes indeed, a sour pucker on their sucker even bad lemonade couldn’t produce!

        • No you’re one who is INCORRECT Mongoose. About a great many things.

        • That comparison doesn’t work when you think of the most important Justice League members you think Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman just as with The Avengers the three most important members are Iron Man, Captain America and Thor.

          • Funny, when I think of the most important members of the JL I don’t have a fave “three”….I think of all seven and having an equally important part to play.

            The same goes for the original Avengers and Pym IS a part of that group.

            It is good to know though that you would take issue with them removing Batman (which was the ENTIRE point). Ant-man might not be the same caliber as Batman but like him, he has his role to play in the group and has deserving been a member of the Avengers since day 1.

            (oh and just so you know…Cap. was the Avenger’s very first recruit, he was not originally a founding member)

            • In no way form or fashion (in this universe or the alternate universe in your head) is Hank Pym as important to the team dynamic as Batman. What world are you living on? We get it – you like Hank Pym. And as a comic BOOK fanboy first, I truly feel bad you, but implying/suggesting that the film will be bad or suffer from not using Hank Pym is just.. well …silly. How about we wait until the film is released. If it sucks, I’ll be the first one to eat crow and say so, but I’m not ready to write the movie off b/c they’re slightly (yes SLIGHTLY. Including/excluding a very MINOR character like Pym won’t make/brake the movie) changing a character’s origin (something they do ALL THE TIME in the comics). While I didn’t initially like the the Mandarin Change in IM3, that one thing doesn’t make IM3 a bad movie. It was still really good. And since you like to use the “not just me” excuse in your retorts, a lot of other people thought IM3 was good also. So the rest of us are just Whedon Worshipers with no backbone huh? Why, because we happen to not agree with you and will instead judge a movie after having seen it first?

              Yes this site and others like it are about opinions and if that’s all you were trying to voice then no harm no foul. But that’s not what you’re doing. Anyone who seems to not have an issue with this change, you take it upon yourself to “correct” them. And as long as you feel the need to “correct” others (who disagree with you no less) I will be correcting you because lets face it – you’re just so wrong on so many fronts that it defies description.

              • I never said he was AS important as Batman did I? Only that he is an important part of the Avengers. The fact is ANY character can be replaced (see MM > Cyborg) but those who like the removed character have a right not to like it.

                I also NEVER said TA2 would be bad or will somehow “suffer”. I have only ever taken issue with Pym’s removal because he is an integral part of the Avengers in the comics (along with Wasp). period. Many of us want to see Pym be in there as an actual character and be Ant-Man. That’s wrong because?

                “not just me” is not an excuse, it’s a legitimate fact. I also never said I hated IM3, only the twist. ;)

                “So the rest of us are just Whedon Worshipers with no backbone huh? Why, because we happen to not agree with you and will instead judge a movie after having seen it first?” – no, just those who claim to have total faith in Marvel and Whedon.

                oh and yes, that’s all I’m doing and you are free to rebut my disagreement but if you are going to do so at least have some actual reasons why. So far all I have seen for the most part is nebulous statements like, “you’re just so wrong on so many fronts that it defies description.” with nothing to back them up.

            • Yeah I don’t think your getting the point. As in the three characters you think of most when you think AVENGERS or JUSTICE LEAGUE!

              Yeah Captain America wasn’t an original avenger but he also happens to be one of the most iconic characters in comic book history so of course he’d be picked over Ant-Man. So no the comparison doesn’t work since Ant-Man isn’t as iconic or well known as Batman. It’d be more like Martian Manhunter not being in JL since he’s an important member just not as well known as the others.

              • As already said, I don’t have a top 3 I think of. Why do I just ‘have’ to think of only 3 the most? (and those particular 3)

                And yes the analogy works because it’s an ANALOGY, not a perfect point by point comparison. An analogy compares similar things.

                Both have an important part to play in their respective groups and regardless of popularity, both can be written out of their groups. I’m sure there would be more (and louder) Batman protesters but the fact is both will be missed by a group of people.

  21. As a comic book fan I like Ant-Man just fine. As a movie lover the only reason I was excited about an Ant-Man film was his creation of Ultron. If he’s not involved with that then why even go there? Give us Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Ms Marvel, Wonder Man or the Inhumans instead!

    • Just because Joss said him is not in it now doesn’t mean he is not in it. This could all be to simply throw us all off. I trust Joss either way. That said I don’t like what Black did with IM3. Not even talking about the Mandian, my girl friend ( who does not read comics ) said it me, why are the iron man suits so weak. We seen it get hit by Thor’s hammer and stand up to it. Then in IM3 they get busted up really easy?

    • Just because Joss said he is not in it now doesn’t mean he is not in it. This could all be to simply throw us all off. I trust Joss either way. That said I don’t like what Black did with IM3. Not even talking about the Mandian, my girl friend ( who does not read comics ) said it me, why are the iron man suits so weak. We seen it get hit by Thor’s hammer and stand up to it. Then in IM3 they get busted up really easy?

  22. Ultron will be played by ben kingsley … who will turn out to be another actor

    • it’s not really funny anymore

  23. I know everyone is focused on IM3 but I thought Cap2 was supposed to be the lead in to A2-ultron?? How does that work?

    • I’m guessing that Winter Soldier will be hired to kill the wakandan king, T’Chaka. Cap fails to stop it, T’challa inherits the throne. Jarvis’ program helps makes a vibranium shield for cap while in wakanda, and remembers what a nifty metal it is.

      speed ahead a bit… ULTRON! (just substitute Vibranium for adamantium, because Fox owns that metal i believe its a part of xmen universe).

    • Correct. Captain America: Winter Soldier is the lead in to A2. Which means S.H.I.E.L.D. is involved. I bet the dark half of S.H.I.E.L.D. that fears The Avengers tries to replicate “Iron Man” behind Stark’s back and end up creating Ultron. Wheadon has used the phrase “where do loyalties stand” in separate interviews when discussing CA2 and A2. This might also explain where S.H.I.E.L.D was during IM3. I just think people are focusing way to much on Tony Stark/Jarvis and not enough about CA2 and S.H.I.E.L.D. when thinking A2.

    • we’ll have to wait and see..

  24. I’ll wait to post my judgment AFTER I see the the film. Whedon might have something since Ant-Man’s solo film comes after Avengers 2 & Thanos might very well be the big baddie in Avengers 3. Not leaving room for Ultron. Might aswell go with Ultron’s origins being little different in Avengers 2 if they made changes around Superman in MOS film.

  25. I think it might be Jarvis going rogue and secretly building/designing a new robot/armor using Shields Phase two tech, maybe its being done secretly in Stark tower since Tony seems so afraid of New York and the events (at least from what I gathered from IM3). Jarvis could work on it while knowing Tony won’t show up.

    Tony did have Jarvis break into Shields database in Avengers so Jarvis has all the files that Shield has.

  26. I’m confused. What is it exactly that’s stopping them from using the Hank Pym origin for Ultron?
    “Hi Tony, I’m Hank, I hear you like robots, look at what I built!”
    BOOM !- one f***ing line of dialog problem solved, you’re welcome Joss

    • Because no one will care about Hank Pym if he only has one line of dialogue, they won’t care about the villain’s creator, so they will care less about the villain. It’s called 2 1/2 hours of time, and they already have to introduce two new heroes in that time.

      • That’s not really a good argument… In The Avengers, the most development we saw of Hawkeye was him perched up observing Selvig at the beginning of the movie, then being possessed, then running around shooting arrows at the Chitauri. And obviously people still want the character to appear in the sequel.

        My point is it could have been made easily. And it would have worked just fine, IMO.

    • I bet some of you guys who say change is Ok would gripe if Ultron was built out of tinker-toys or came out of a Cracker-Jack Box!

  27. Is Whedon know for lying like Michael Bay does with Transgenderformers? Just wondering because this could be misdirection – or not.

    • They did it in DCAU and it worked out fine.

      • Sorry was meant for emma_frost. :p

  28. If scott lang is will be wright’s antman… it will feel like having wally be flash before barry on the bigscreen…

    • They did it for DCAU and it worked out fine.

      • Yes ..but barry should be flash in a movie before wally… its like dick grayson will be batman before bruce wayne…

    • By the way, I want a Flash movie NOW! And it better be Barry Allen, the REAL Flash!

  29. Am I the only one who thought the Avengers was nothing more than a glorified Thor sequel. It was all about Loki taking over and big brother needed some friends to put him to sleep.

    Dont get me wrong, I liked Avengers alot just wish it stood on its own legs. If that makes sense.