The Avengers 2: Kevin Feige & Brian Michael Bendis Talk Ultron Story & Loki

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Avengers Age of Ultron Loki The Avengers 2: Kevin Feige & Brian Michael Bendis Talk Ultron Story & Loki

After presenting footage for each of the Phase Two films of the Marvel Cinematic Universe leading up to The Avengers 2, Joss Whedon took to the stage at San Diego Comic-Con this weekend to show fans a little something special – a teaser introducing the title of the sequel to be The Avengers: Age of Ultron. The video revealed the villain, hinted at his origin, and the title (mostly) spoke for itself.

Although Ultron has been a part of Joss Whedon’s story plans for the next team-up movie since he began working on the script, it took Marvel some time to come up with the final title, and the one they chose, doesn’t actually have much to do with the comic book miniseries of the same name that debuted earlier this year.

Speaking with Empire, Marvel Studios President of Production Kevin Feige was quick to clarify that while “Age of Ultron” was the best title for the film, Joss Whedon’s story has little to do with the Age of Ultron story in Marvel Comics from earlier this year.

“It’s not that [run's] story, but it’s that title. It’s been in the works for seven or eight months… There are some things in this movie, that you’ll see in 2015, that arise directly from casual conversations Joss and I had on the set of the first one. ‘Would it be cool if…?’ ‘That would be cool!’”

“We came up with a few titles, but every month a new comic book appeared, and that’s a great title. Age Of Ultron is a great title. We had a few other ‘Of Ultrons’, but that was the best one. So we’re borrowing that title, but taking storylines from decades of Avengers comics.”

And that’s a good thing considering the comic series written by Brian Michael Bendis – the man also behind the story of Marvel Heroes video game – was critically torn apart.

avengers 2 age ultron The Avengers 2: Kevin Feige & Brian Michael Bendis Talk Ultron Story & Loki

While elements of Marvel Comics stories over the years relating to Ultron may be used, his origin will be entirely different since his original creator, Hank Pym, won’t be in the film. From the teaser introducing Ulton as the villain of The Avengers sequel, it’s clear that Ultron is formed from Iron Man armor so it’s our belief that Tony Stark – and perhaps something to do with his AI assistant Jarvis going rogue – will be used to create the new antagonist. But that’s just speculation on our part.

Feige continues, explaining that seeing Hiddleston on stage playing Loki was the best Comic-Con moment of the dozen or so years he’s attended the annual event and he hinted that Loki could return down the line after Thor: The Dark World. “We think Loki could be the big bad for us, for a long time.” When Empire assumed Loki wasn’t in the sequel, Kevin Feige asked if the interviewer was “sure about that” even though Whedon went on record previously stating Loki wasn’t a part of his script.

For Marvel Comics readers displayed with the Age of Ultron series and concerned about The Avengers sequel following it, Bendis took to his personal Tumblr blog and confirmed otherwise, reiterating Feige’s words:

As has already been revealed… not much. my story was based on the concept that Ultron had been a threat to us for many many years while Joss’ story is the birth of Ultron as it relates to the Marvel cinematic universe.

Joss’ has a fantastic take on the character. big surprise icon smile The Avengers 2: Kevin Feige & Brian Michael Bendis Talk Ultron Story & Loki

Our questions relate to whether or not Ultron will lead to the introduction of Vision in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, a character Ultron creates in Marvel Comics, and how new heroes Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch will play into the film’s story.

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Thor: The Dark World on November 8, 2013, Captain America: The Winter Soldier on April 4, 2014, Guardians of the Galaxy on August 1, 2014The Avengers: Age of Ultron on May 1, 2015, Ant-Man on November 6, 2015, and unannounced films for May 6 2016, July 8 2016 and May 5 2017.

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  1. hot

  2. I’m wondering how or if Ultron plays into the greater storyline of Thanos behind the scene manipulation…. And as much as I love Lokis character, it might be time to give him a rest for now.

    • Re: Loki….agreed.

    • HE SAID loki might appear down the line! Loki is one of Marvels biggest characters and why not use him again?
      I too think it Is time to give him a rest but in 4 or 5 years why not break him out again? If we don’t see him in A2 it may be not until another Thor movie that we see him, 2016 or 2017 and after that if he was a big bad in another movie I don’t think too many people would mind seeing Tom Hiddelston as Loki 1 more time!

      He is one of the greatest actors in the MCU it would be a shame not to see him as Loki anymore

  3. I am keeping my fingers crossed that Hank Pym is miraculously the sole creator of Ultron in this film. I know the evidence makes this possibility so slim, but if Whedon is as great as everyone claims he is (Avengers film was a bore that has totally disrespected Loki and his character and failed to deliver quality), he should set his mind straight and for once, share some juice to other characters other than Iron Man!

    • Well, if you didn’t like the first one, it stands to reason that you probably won’t like the second. My advice is just skip the movie, that way you won’t have to bother posting in any Avengers-related articles.

      • lol

      • @FILTHpig

        First time I’m gonna have to disagree with you there.

        I didn’t like The Avengers and I didn’t think much of Man Of Steel either but I’m hoping the next entries in both movie series are better now that those worlds have been established.

        Nothing wrong with not liking a first movie but looking forward to see what the sequel brings and if it can improve on what was lacking the first time around.

        • What was lacking?

          Too much action, not enough character development? I think that may be the main reason I liked it, as it got right to the point. Maybe the dialogue was too Whedon-esque? Also a strong point in my opinion, some of it was laugh out loud funny to me.

          It wasn’t as serious as the source material (Ultimates), but I guess I wasn’t expecting it to be after seeing all the standalone origin films.

          • 1. Total Disrespect to Loki’s character

            *Loki was practically Thanos’s b**** throughout the movie instead of the backstabbing strategic a*shole he is
            *The God of Mischief running away from harmless humans
            *A Demi-God escaping in a f*ckin SUV
            *Loki delivering a speech to German residents in English
            *Loki only using his sorcery powers for communication, but never uses it in combat (such as the Battle of NY)
            *Loki gets his ass handed to him and cries seconds after. *facepalm*

            2. No Struggle Shown Against A Legion of Technology-Advanced Aliens and a God
            * 5 beings taking out an alien army
            * Black Widow knowing how to use Alien technology seconds after she picks it up (Alien weapons and flying aircraft)
            * The scientist randomly knowing how to close the portal
            *The Avengers unite and put their differences aside just because one SHIELD agent that they dont even know too well has perished?!
            *Hawkeye is randomly out of Loki’s possession just because of a simple kick to the head
            *Black Widow kicking Hawkeye’s ass
            *In the end of the Thor movie, both Odin and Thor do not possess any knowledge in how to get back to Earth now that the portal has closed. The humans re-open the portal and Loki appears and they close it after Loki enters (another stupid move by Whedon). If that portal has closed and no Asgardian knows how to re-create that portal that leads them to Earth, then how in the flying hell does Thor return to Earth?!
            *Bruce Banner randomly knowing how to control his anger minutes after showing a huge struggle of keeping the Hulk within and almost killing Black Widow

            3. Other
            *If the motherhip has been blown to bits by the nuke, chances are that Thanos was there to overlook the battle just to swallow a nuke and re-appear in the end-credit scenes. I may be wrong in this one, but this is a big hypothetical.
            *Cheesy and Corny-A*s jokes. I did not see how the “We have a Hulk” is a funny line, the “I thought his name was Agent” was so f*cking corny, and I did not like one bit how Tony was molesting Bruce when they first met. I dont know what was going through Whedon’s mind when he wrote the “Well son, you got a condition” line after Bruce’s anger goes down and I sat there in irony when everyone was laughing the stupidity of that dialogue. The “That does not look like a party” line from Black Widow was completely idiotic. There’s many more lines form the dialogue I despise, but their too much to list.

        • I thought Avengers #1 was a great first attempt at such a huge movie with so many characters, even thoug I would have done a couple things differently. The necxt installments should get better with practice making perfect, in theory. I have not seen MOS yet, but plan to buy the DVD when it comes out,. I have not cared for any of the previous Superman movies, but from clips and trailers, I think this one just might be the one that is better, so I will give it a try.
          As far as Avengers #2 goes, I am not happy at all that Pym will not be in the movie or involved in Ultron’s “genesis”. I am pumped Ultron is the villain, as well as that Quyicksilver and Scarlet Witch will be in this. I do think they need to get Pym as Goliath and Janet as Wasp involved in the franchise ASAP, as Goliath is one of my favorite Avengers. I believe Marvel could be making a big mistake with a different origin for Ultron (ie: movie not even made yet, and older hard-core fanboys like myself already less than happy with what we are anticipating should be a HUGE GREAT movie….but?….). After the debacles of the Mandarin surprise in Iron Man #3, and the negative fan reaction to all the X-films after and including X-Men #3 (killing of Cyclops, Prof. X, and Jean Gray; confusion-fest of random insignificant characters and massive changing of X-canon; over-use of Wolverine, and to a lesser extent Magneto), you would think all the studios would have learned an important lesson about the folly of throwing caution to the wind and straying too far from source material. I say leave the straying to Fantasy football, and stick instead with established winning formulas for these movies, at least for the main pillars holding up the Temple. I wish all superhero movies to do well and be good and successful, and really am looking forward to these, but we will see.

          • In whedon we trust

          • You know why the studios will not take your advice? Because regardless of what the hardcore fans say about how the movies do or do not adhere to the soure material – they make loads of money. Why because people – including the hardcore fans who didn’t like the previous movie go to them.

            So the studios do what they want to do.

            On the other hand the best way to view the movies is as what they are – an alternate univers to the 616 universe. So if Loki isn’t what you expect – thats ok it isn’t the mainstream universe. Ultron isn’t created by Hank Pym? It’s an alternate universe. The Mandarin isn’t a racist stereotype with magic alien rings – its an alternate universe. It the same the Ultimate Univers, What If comics, Elseworlds, Earth-2 through 52. Let go your preconceived notions and go with the story your being told.

          • The “debacle” of how they used the Mandarin grossed Marvel serious $$$. The only lesson they learned is they can be creative with the stories and make money.

        • I totally agree. I wasn’t crazy about The Avengers (although I did really like Man of Steel, in spite of all its flaws). But for both franchises I’m expecting more out of the sequel – simply put, both were a little weighed down by the fact that they had some setting up to do and origins to explain.

          The Avengers had to do the whole ‘they’re in conflict and learn to come together’ story and it also needed the token city-wide battle set piece complete with fodder aliens for the heroes to rip apart. That part seemed the blandest to me, and while the action was okay it was just… so neatly choreographed, and not particularly exciting or original. It wasn’t Whedon’s fault, if I remember correctly it was Marvel that insisted on having the mass of aliens who all died at the same time…

          And I loved the dialogue, that was definitely a strength that Whedon brought to the table. So I’m not crazy about the first, but knowing that Whedon’s probably gonna have a lot more creative control over the sequel, and that the heroes can go straight into asskicking mode without refusing to work together (hopefully, although I won’t rule out some friction because hey – that’s part of it). So yeah I think it’s perfectly possible to not like a first movie but legitimately expect that the next will be better.

          • So your problem with the action was the that is was choreographed well, and easy to follow? lol okay. Go back to watching Bay-films with his confuse-o-vision action.

          • None of what you said really made sense

          • Hey, don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying the action sucked. The action was great. I’m just talking about small preferences here. And my point wasn’t that the action was well-choreographed (badly worded on my part), it was that… how do I put it? It just came off as kinda *obviously* choreographed, if you know what I mean, in the way that lots of martial arts films can look obviously choreographed where the two sides are clearly following pre-determined moves.

            No need to tell me to go watch Michael Bay films, geez. Those are messy and visually confusing, and I’m just giving my opinion – so before people jump down my throat, I still did like Avengers a whole lot overall.

  4. Thank god. Age of Ultron was a terrible event that was practically unreadable. You’d think with his name being in the title you’d expect him to be in more than 3 issues.

    • Now that you mention it, you’re completely right! He was hardly in the damn thing lol.
      I’m so relieved they’re only using the title of that story…

  5. cool

    • I didn’t mean to do that.

  6. I’m thinking that this could act as Iron Mans exit from the Avengers, if he actually is Ultrons creator in the film, in the same way it was for Hank Pym in the Avengers cartoon

    • But RDJ is signed on for Avengers 3 as well. I don’t think Iron Man is going anywhere for a quite a few years.

      • Thats true but it could see him taking a break, which would explain less emphasis on standalone Iron Man films, and then the Avengers ‘needing’ him to return for Avengers 3.

        • Good point, I see what you mean.

          • As people look way to the future, and see the actors playing iron Man, and perhaps Thor and Cap as well, getting older and eventually aging beyond playing the parts (don’t get me wrong, I am in no hurry for that to happen at all, hope they will be around for many movies to come), Marvel will need to look to having other heroes esablished to take over the Avengers mantle. For instance, Quicksilver, Wasp, Goliath, Scarlet Witch…and who knows, maybe eventually an appearence by Vision or Black Panther? So, I hope they get some of these established soon. Q & SW are already slated for Avengers #2, and while really bummed no Pym for Avengers #2 (and while happy Ultron will be in it, not happy about re-doing his origin at all), I really hope they get Goliath and Wasp into Avengers #3. I want those two ALOT! Also would like to see Kang & Skrulls eventually in either an Avengers movie or a Fantastic Four flick (although right now I am hoping for a Frightful Four appearance in Fantastic Four; Sandman and Medusa might be “rights” problems legally–someone make a deal, please–although I don’t think Wizard and Trapster would be a legal hassle right now).

  7. So why call it Age of Ultron? Why give a great character, that currently rocked the Marvel comic universe, a new origin without Hank Pym? It baffles me. They are rushing a story they could have built n for a film or too by having Hank invent Ultron. I think they caught wind of the Batman/Superman film and announced it. And yes, I know Whedon has been working on the script, but those in the industry must hear stuff way before we do.

    • Why would he rush a story just because the batman/superman movie Iiscoming out the same year?

      • Is coming*

      • Bats and Supes, OK. But I really want to see Green Lantern #2 and Flash, either singly or together. How about that? Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) and Flash (Barry Allen) against Sinestro and Professor Zoom (Reverse-Flash). Even match, two on two slobber-knocker, gets another JLA character introduced, packs two movies into one to save production costs? Keep Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan, just make him alot more serious (Barry Allen should be serious as well). Writers and directors should have learned lessons about where the weak spots were from GL#1, now just improve on the story.script/character and make it better. Don’t be a quitter, DC/Warner, the potential is there for a BIG franchise! And you have to face the GL improvement issue sooner or later if you are going to make the Justice League.

        • Oh that’s all “just improve on the story.script/character and make it better”

    • Nah, they’ve had a pretty good idea of what they wanted to do with the sequel since before the first movie came out. That’s generally how things work with big movie franchises it seems. I also recall Whedon saying in an interview (back when they were promoting Avengers 1), that he already had some ideas for the sequel.
      So unless they decided recently to change the villain to Ultron, they’ve probably had that character in mind for the villain of A2 since the beginning.

      That said, I’m also not happy about the origin change. Not at all. …But I guess we’ll have to cross fingers Whedon has a good reason for the change.

      • I’m glad they’ve decided not to just rehash/copy characters and stories from the comics. That’s the very reason I liked the Watchmen graphic novel, but absolutely hated the movie.

        • Yeah, who cares. I wonder why The Hulk wasn’t an alien in the MCU. Or maybe instead of Cap being a WW2 soldier, they should have changed up the time period to feudal Japan. I mean, what the hell, right?

          • The Marvel movie-verse is separate from, and only based on, the comics. Comics including not only the old classics, but the newer modern retellings as well.

            Just accept that fact and you might be able to enjoy these movies a lot more. Or not… whatever. ;)

  8. If Stark creates Ultron on film, will he make Vision then to combat Ultron? And will Scarlett Witch and Vision fall in love?

    And what the heck happened to coulson?

    • You’ll have to watch the SHIELD TV show to find out what happened to Coulson.

  9. There’s nothing “big” or “bad” about Loki. He was a terrible, lazy choice for the antagonist of the first Avengers film.

    Bane

    • Ever read the Ultimates? The Avengers movie was loosely based on it and Loki was the main antagonist. Who were you thinking the villain should’ve been?

      • also, Avengers #1 faced off against Loki.. read up, homie..

        • Yep… The Ultimates was just an expanded and more “modern” retelling of that story.

          • Since this is a thread about MCU, I’m obviously referring to the MCU version of Loki. Why reference the source material? Whedon and Marvel hardly adhere to the comic book canon (IM3, Avengers 2/Ultron) Read up, homie.

            Loki was portrayed as weak in Thor and even weaker in The Avengers. He never posed a threat to anyone, even as a god, Hulk make that clear.

            Bane

            • Gotta disagree – Loki is never a threat in terms of raw power.

              He is the schemer, the deceiver, and mischief maker. His threat lies in his plans and ability to execute them staying ahead of the good guys. Which is pretty much how he is portayed in the movies.

              • Well said… it’s not like Loki was ever much of an a$$-kicker or that tough in the comics, so why would he be in the movies?

                I thought Marvel/Hiddleston did a great job portraying Loki.

              • Exactly! Loki is never a villain that is like “a lethal threat to the whole universe” or things like that.

                He’s a trouble-maker. He creates chaos and disorder and most importantly he wants to f*ck with Thor as much as he can. He’s not an all-mighty terrifying villain, like Thanos for example.

                But that doesn’t mean he’s not someone they need to deal with. They might not have to fear that he’s gonna annihilate the whole planet or something of sorts, but he still gives them plenty of trouble (including deaths and serious property damage), he helps other villains or just generally screws with them for fun.

                Loki needs to stick around to do that, just like he did that in the comics right from the start. He’s always there, always plotting and scheming and generally being a major pain in the a$$ for the Avengers.

                Just think about the time he was the Scarlet Witch an infiltrated them, or when he gathered a whole super-villain team against them. He could pull similar stunts in the MCU as well.

                He’s not gonna get into fist-fights with the Hulk (and get out of it in one piece), but they need to fear what’s going on in his crazy head all the time. You never know with Loki how much trouble/damage he’s actually going to do.

                • Schemer, deceiver, mischief maker of a god who was so intelligent and cunning that a normal mortal human in Black Widow played him and saw right through him. Yes, Loki was always brains over brawn, but clearly not brains over broad.

                  • The more emotional Loki is the more irrational he becomes and less careful about his plans and spiel.

                    That was pretty obvious since ‘Thor’, as long as he has control over himself he’s pretty good at executing his plans, but whenever he’s getting incredibly angry/emotional about the situation he’s falling apart.

                    In the Widow/Loki scene Loki was very heavily projecting, plus it’s what Natasha does best, getting under other’s skin. Loki underestimated her, wasn’t careful enough around her, that’s why she got the upper-hand.

                    She saw Loki’s poor opinion of humans and women and used it against him. Loki is still intelligent and cunning, but he has flaws, obviously. Widow saw some of them and used it perfectly.

                    I don’t see any problem with that.

    • He was a “god” who used his trickster powers to try and keep the heroes busy while he got revenge on his half-brother’s beloved Midgard via alien invasion.

      The only lazy thing about Loki’s inclusion in the movie is that the team were conveniently reunited by Coulson’s “death” and managed to easily overcome the threat to the planet.

      • More like threat to New York City. Did you honestly feel the planet was in danger? I didn’t. I felt the planet was in actual danger in Man of Steel, even though there were a few plot points a disagreed with.

        • Had the invasion been unable to come in uncheck – yes I believe it could have been a huge threat.

        • Absolutely; if Thanos had a beachhead in Manhatten, the world would have fallen. Even the nuke only worked the way it did because of Iron Man re-aiming it. if it had hit manhatten, they would have kept on coming and conquered the world.

  10. Throughout Avengers 1 they refer to the Tesseract-based weapons SHIELD is developing as ‘Phase 2.’ Didn’t think about how that might be a subtle teaser for Marvel’s Phase 2 movies until I saw parts of the movie again a few days ago. Just saying that SHIELD could use Stark tech (with or without his help) to make a Phase 2 weapon for the culmination of their Phase 2 movies that is powered by Tesseract/Cosmic Cube/alien tech that catalyzes it to become Ultron and the seeds were planted for this a Phase 1 ago. Or I could be reading way too much into this. Thoughts?

    • I thought the same thing when they mentioned Phase Two. But as for the origin thing, eh. I guess they could do that, it does seem likely. What I think the most likely voice is that Ultron is some sort of alien technology that is a pawn of Thanos (I’m not crazy about it either but it’s the only way I could tie Ultron to Thanos and have the origin w/o Antman)

    • That sounds like a reasonable idea. I also recall them saying that the Winder Soldier would lead into Avengers 2, and that Winter Soldier will very much be a SHIELD movie. Knowing that, it makes your theory seem pretty valid.

    • @ Woshwyn

      Maybe it’s part of the tech Shield recovered from the Destroyer, like the gun Coulson had?

      I think Thanos is in the background, and his ultimate plot line concerning the Avengers will be revealed in Guardian of the Galaxy.

  11. @woshwyn

    Thats exactly what ive been thinking bro

  12. This is what I love about Kevin Fiege and Joss Whedon, they get it and know what the fans want, and more importantly, what they don’t want. They have a plan, are confident in that plan and know how to execute it, and they just do it. They’re just not afraid, they know what they’re doing and they know they’re playing with house money.

    I can totally see Ultron coming from Tony’s tech, especially after seeing Jarvis controlling the Iron Leigion and the Iron Leigon tech itself in Iron Man 3. It makes total sense.

    I can’t wait for this movie!! :)

    • If they repeat the Mandarin debacle with Ultron being made by Stark (why would he want to make Ultron, anyways?), instead of Pym, and the idea blows up in Marvel’s face, they will find out quickly, unfortunately, what Marvel fans DON’T want. I hope their idea does well, but count me firmly in the “Pym did it” camp. And I want Goliath and Wasp in there badly, ASAP!

      • What if Jarvis makes it? What if Jarvis goes rouge, and just starts making a body/bodies for himself? He has the designs for all the suits stored in HIS DATABANK, he has control of all of Tony’s manufacturing plants. As he he was the one controlling all the machinery that made the suits in all the movies. We already know he’s facing some technical glitches after IM3, and I would hate for that plot thread to just be dropped like everything else was in the movie.

        • I think this is what they are doing. Makes total sense, based on what they have already done.

      • Clearly, Tony Stark already made Ultron; and his name is Jarvis. It seems like a natural progression from Favreau making Jarvis an AI who controlled robots to JARVIS going rogue and becoming Ultron.

        • Ridiculous, idea. Ultron isn’t a British butler. An AI can be a British butler and a British butler can be an AI, but neither of those things could possibly, logically and substantially somehow morph into what we classically know as Ultron. It’s utterly moronic, and I refuse to buy into it.
          (Rant directed at no particular person over)

          • Based on what we saw in Iron Man 3? Totally probable.

    • Vibranium is a main component of adamantium, which Ultron uses to make his body indestructible. Perhaps Ultron procuring it could at least introduce Wakanda and Black Panther for Phase 3?

    • I do agree unfortunately they can do exactly what has been suggested AND has every possibility of being as successful and IM3/Avengers. I can see it working and there is a logic train to it all but that doesn’t mean however it’s what they “should” do.

      I say respect the 40+ years of Marvel history they themselves have created and stop making such drastic changes. Go back to making Marvel movies that stay relatively true to the source material instead of making movies that look more like something Fox Studios would churn out (Deadpool and now Silver Samurai mech anyone?)

      I have said this before but…..if you can’t manage to make a movie that honors the loyal fans while still pleasing the general audience, you have failed imho.

  13. Wow, Marvel is killing at the film industry. I’ve read 8 Marvel movie articles from Screen Rant today, and half of them are MCU.

  14. Incidentally, I like Loki as a character and I very much enjoy how Tom Hiddleston portrays him. I hope he’s around for years to come, either as a good or bad character.

  15. It sounds like it’s gonna be an enjoyable movie, even without Pym creating Ultron. Unless Whedon pulls a Shane Black and it turns out Ultron is really Justin Hammer in HIS version of the Iron Man suit. Lol..

  16. Even if Loki was the ‘Big Bad’ why would he tell us? I think Feige is screwing with us and Loki dies in “Dark World.” It’s not like he’s going to have too many options anyway: death (likely), escape (possibly), or back to the fishbowl (boring).

    I hope if they go the Jarvis as Ultron route that Paul Bettany actually gets to play it.

    • I think he’ll escape. He IS the god of mischief- dead guys don’t make much mischief.

    • Agreed, Bettany has also been my personal choice for Vision since Iron Man 1.

    • I doubt they’d kill off a fan favorite character. If they did, Loki could just come back anyways being a god. He comes back in the comics after death.

      • Yeah, even when Loki died in the comics Thor went ahead and brought him back to life right away, cause he was missing his little (a$$hole) brother so much.

        As long as there is Thor there will be Loki in the MCU, I’m sure of it.

  17. Picture of Ultron examining the Ant-Man helmet reminds me of something–was it out of Shakespeare?–a picture I saw someplace of somebody examining a skull. “Alas, poor Yorick, I knew him well!” comes to mind…was that from Hamlet? I also seem to recall seeing various plays on this theme including a picture of a Greek philosopher examining a skull, a picture of Darwin examining a skull, and a monkey examining a human skull. Lot of images invoked by Ultron pic and all kind of running together in my brain. I will need to take a couple minutes and research this further. Anyone else out there get similar twinges or nuances as to Ultron contemplating his “Genesis”?

    • Yep, Hamlet.

      • “Alas, poor Yorick. I knew him Horatio.”

        • +1 for accurate quote.

    • Yes, that occurred to me too – I think that’s the idea.
      It IS Hamlet – and actually, the line is “I knew him, Horatio”. Hamlet is meditating on the fragility of life.

      • …or perhaps existence, in Ultron’s case…

    • Or perhaps Rembrandt’s “Aristotle Contemplating a Bust of Homer”. Conveys the idea of the one being a product of the other better than the Hamlet quote. Perhaps not.

  18. I’m happy that Loki sticks around. He’s always there in the comics as well, it would be a waste to kill him off in MCU.

    There is no Thor without Loki and no Loki without Thor. The two of them simply cannot be without one another. Even when Loki dies Thor brings him back, because he “misses him”.

    So yeah, Loki might not be the main villain in another MCU movie, but he can be such a valuable supporting character. Tom Hiddleston is amazing in the role.

    I’m looking forward to the Age of Ultron as well. I don’t mind the change in his origin. We care more about Stark than Hank Pym, so it makes sense to switch the story around.

    Hank will get his own movie, he can shine in that and then in Avengers 3.

    • Well said.

  19. Sounds great cant wait

  20. Tony basically dumped his tech in the ocean and AIM/Whiplash/Hammer basically took over it at some point. Its not inconceivable that someone has learned how to backdoor Tony’s tech by now and that they reverse engineer Jarvis and Tony’s tech to create Ultron.
    Mandarin was created by AIM (possibly to take eyes off the real Mandarin). Could Mandarin & AIM be behind this?
    Question is who would have access to the metal that is Ultron? Would that bring in a Black Panther storyline?

    • Speaking of the metal, what is the metal arm of the Winter Soldier made of?
      Who has access to that tech?
      Could the Winter Soldier storyline tie in to Avengers 2?

      • Also, don’t count out the Red Skull making a return. He was sucked into the void but that is the same thing that happened to Loki.
        Could the Red Skull’s mad scientist buddy become Modok from AIM and be behind Ultron?

    • That’s what I was thinking. Adamantium = vibranium = Wakanda = Black Panther!

  21. I think it’s certain that Stark creates Ultron. It just ties into the end of IM3 too well.

    He doesn’t want to be the “man in the can” any more, but the doesn’t want to give up on “privatizing world peace” either. If we go by the ultimate storyline (which is where most of the MCU is pulling from) he makes an army of robots and either uses his brain pattern one on to control the rest, or on all of them.

    Either way, a rogue Ultron with Tony’s ego and arrogance stops taking orders and is probably not happy about being a lap dog. Whether is a single Ultron or an amry of them is to be determined, but I think it will eventually whittle down to (pardon the TF expression, but it works) Ultron Prime.

    Because it has the mind of “The Mechanic”, he continually upgrades himself just like Tony did with his suits. Except, having a computer brain with Tony’s genius he’s able to upgrade even faster than Stark can.

    This forces Tony to suit up and call on his buddies to help defeat the menace he created.

    No Pym, no problem.

  22. Spoiler Alert: I guess Loki will survive Thor 2

    • Being God-like it is pretty likely.

  23. All the Whedon SUCK UPs are gonna be glued to the couch this weekend eh?

    SYFY has a joss weekend with all the firefly and dollhouse ep. playing!

    IT IS A GEEKFEST, too bad I just cant watch firefly with the Chinese swearing and STUPID comments, Im gonna try dollhouse but if it is too whedon-esque I would rather pick up every single blade of grass in my yard!!!!!

    • Better start picking.

  24. I believe Pym will be referenced, but not in the movie. Stark will be working on some AI project, but due to him being busy or whatever, he sends it to a scientist who we know is Pym. And things go on from there.

  25. i dont trust anything until i see the trailers and final product. the fact that pym will not be ultron’s creation does not fire me up. in the comics
    and the animated cartoons these two have a history that goes way back.
    to use an avengers movie to tell his origin sounds to be like alot of screen time is going to be used up, this could have been done with an antman movie first.

  26. Reiterating the same thing doesn’t make me any happier about their decision to exclude Pym from the equation and transpose his creation to Stark in its entirety. Very sad indeed.

    Unless they are planning on carrying this concept main stream and writing Pym out of the Marvel universe altogether, I think they should reconsider including Pym/Van Dyne but I know it ain’t gonna happen. Disheartening to lose 2 of the Avengers founding members because they couldn’t be bothered to make them work.

  27. Pym is a scientist first and foremost. He could have created Ultron before he becomes Ant-Man.
    They said Ant-Man wasn’t in the movie.
    That doesn’t mean Pym is not in the movie.

  28. Unfortunately, its the other way around man. Whedon said Hank Pym wont be in the mix. Never said Ant-Man would not.

    Having said that though, doesn’t mean Pym cant be in the movie. I think it just means he wont be part of the origin of Ultron. It doesn’t mean he cant be part of the solution to how to deal with Ultron.