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  • Derka
    So what if the military ends up being the bad guys in this movie, the bad guys are bad regardless of where they come from. People need to stop being butthurt and accept that in order to have good military you need a population willing to kill of the corrupt segments of it. If the military is corrupt as a whole then the hell with it. If there is a political agenda, this movie if anything would give a warning to what the military could be like if it go's unchecked.
  • George Salis
    EPIC!
  • Ken J
    @greenknight

    I know he was born in Canada, but that doesn't mean any of his family can't move here and join our military, not that I'm saying it's for sure, but I remember him saying something about the scene with Arnold firing the M79 at the door inside the Cyberdyne building, he said something about somebody, I am probably incorrectly remembering to be his brother, being in the Marines telling him it can't be done since it has to rotate 9 times before it's armed, but he shot the scene anyway hoping nobody will know... I forgot who he said he knew that little fact from now...
  • greenknight333
    @ Steph

    How can you make those assumptions from a 2 minute trailer?
  • greenknight333
    @ Ken J

    Cameron is Canadian and has several siblings but I am pretty sure he didn't have a sibling who was a Marine(US Forces)..
  • Eric
    Even if it was a 3 hour anti military liberal parade, he's not "shoving" it down anywhere. to see it you have to get in your car, drive to the theater, park, walk to the ticket counter, cough up 10 DOLLARS! and sit next to some moron in the dark and keep your eyes opened for the next 3 hours... hardly shoving anything anywhere.... that being said, this movie looks like a cg mess... revolutionary would be if we couldn't tell...
  • Ken J
    @steph

    I get where you're coming from, but I have doubts that James Cameron is doing that, despite him being a liberal himself. The reason is that I think his brother was a former Marine?? I forgot, someone in his family was a Marine, and that's why if he has military men in his movies, they tend to be Marines. Look at Aliens and the "Space Marines." And so far he has never disrespected the military, law enforcement, or anything like that in his movies. Even in The Abyss where the "villain" was a Navy SEAL, it was really only because that one guy went crazy. Look at True Lies, it was not at all anti-government or anti-war-on-terror. He made the organization Arnold worked for look completely bad-ass. And in Avatar, those are all Marines.

    That's why I'm thinking, and hoping, that there's more to this, like ultimately the antagonist is a single individual with a lot of power, which kind of instigates this battle or at the most an organization, and somehow the Marines themselves would not really be guilty of anything, like they are simply following orders or something like that. Perhaps in the end of the movie the military high command gets light of what's going on and orders his Marines to stand down and ultimately you see that they are the good guys. Unless Cameron has really changed his ideals, I'm pretty sure he won't make the Marines the bad guys.
  • Aaron
    Its me again, this time me and my brother made a video review of the AVATAR DAY and trailer.
    Also there is a link to a 411 about everything AVATAR : )


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeZFlOkky14
  • Steph
    Looks pretty to me, too, but I'm with the person who commented about it being another rehashing of how evil and barbaric our military is. I am the daughter of one military man and the wife of another, and the LAST thing I need is some movie with an anti-war, anti-military bias being shoved down my throat, or any other bodily orifices, for that matter. I am proud of our men and women who serve in the military, and it makes me furious when some anti-war JERK shoves their views onto a silver screen near me.
  • JDA
    Robert A. Heinlein (starship troopers) meets George Lucas (star wars) meets John Scalzi (old man's war) meets Chris Bunch (dragon master trilogy) meets John Ringo (Looking Glass series) meets Kim Stanley Robinson (Mars Trilogy).

    I'm still wondering where the "new, never before seen content" went?

    It would have been better to have used the money to feed half the world than make this conceptually rehashed mash-up.

    New content = new ideas

    They pushed the tech and lost the point.
  • "I'll say this much, after seeing Avatar, G.I Joe is what I used to wipe my butt after Avatar made me crap my pants."

    ROFLMAO!

    Too funny. :-P

    And Haggislaw, your comment about using 3D to add subtle depth to scenes is what I absolutely love about the tech. I hate the in your face stuff, but in Beowulf for example, the depth the tech added to rooms where some characters were near and others far was really something to see.

    Vic
  • Haggislaw
    I guess I should wait for the Avatar Day Review bevore I write more on my experience in the theatre. But hell...Aaron is so damn right with everything he said!

    The way he is using the 3D is not as much of SPLITTERS AND GARBAGE IN UR EYES (anyone remember that lil rubberball in the first 5min in Monsters vs Aliens 3D). It is more like giving the whole picture more depth. When Stephen Lang walked down the rows of soldier it looked so damn good... like I was standing behind him. Hell..even the german dubbing was good (then again it's usualy very good in germany)

    I got a blast. We had a screening for 18:00 and 18:45 with all the local journalists and critics around here. I went in both.... I just had to go in both. The ppl who saw it just know why ;)

    Only thing taht worries me is that it seems that this movie must do a hell of a job in terms of building up the franchise in Germany. The Theater was not even close to full. There where maybe around 50 Fans and another 30 Journalists in the first screening and half of that in the second, one Security Guard who made sure noone films anything (he was so amazed by the screening he didn't even watch us) and the manager who welcomed us.

    Does anyone of you guys remember the 3D Technology they where using? Over here they used REALD (http://www.reald.com/)
  • Ken J
    James Cameron should make a movie about a guy that lives on beer and mustard until the day he discovers iced tea... That hasn't been done before...
  • mOoNsHaDo
    Hmm, think i already saw that film it was called "BATTLE FOR TERRA".
  • Ken J
    Ah stop it Aaron, stop it, you're making the wait harder...
  • Aaron
    I was there on AVATAR DAY and got to see the 15 minutes.

    Ok, so because I got there so early I was actually the first in line at the Dallas Texas IMAX showing. It was fun talking with other fans in line about what we were about to see.
    The footage was..... Breathtaking. Totally realistic and totally incredible. I bought every second of it. Now I loved the trailer in the first place, and I can understand some peoples opinions of how some shots looked CG. but seeing more interaction between the characters definitely raises the bar to the next level and doesn't come close to the trailer. The fluidity and motion was of Jake's Avatar was PERFECT. The bio luminescent forest was beautiful. My brother actually got chocked up for a second on more than one scene seeing how beautiful it was! Someone else said "this is going to be the best movie of all time". The music that plays on the Avatar website is what is playing when Jake lays onto the lab bed, just something I noticed. Amazing facial animation, you experience what they experience and feel what they feel. The overall depth of the movie is crazy. It just feels like another world completely and its hard to describe, so I wont lol Seeing him wrestle with the banshee had me on edge for some reason. I don't know it just sort of draws you in to the scene cause it feels incredibly real.
    I can say 100% now in full honesty, that all the haters out there calling it cartoony and fake and "Epic Fail" are literally, and I mean literally wrong. There is no such thing as opinion on this subject, there is only fact, and the fact is that this movie will be awesome. Oh yeah, the 3d was outstanding lol. I totally forgot about it cause there was so much to look at and take in.
    James Cameron has done it again. But this time, at least from the 15 minute footage, It is a perfect emotional masterpiece that I cant wait to experience again : )


    ps. Saw G.I Joe afterwards because we were already at the theater with nothing better to do. Ill say this much, after seeing Avatar, G.I Joe is what I used to wipe my butt after Avatar made me crap my pants



    and dont judge this based on a trailer with unfinished scenes (according to WETA) . Judge it when you see it come December
  • greenknight333
    Visually stunning but the aliens look like big blue Golems..realistic but not realistic at the same time..
  • Luipaard
    It looks really pretty, but that's all. From the two minute preview, it seems to be another rehashing of how EVIL and BARBARIC the military is. Sorry, but I'm not interested in a movie that makes soldiers the bad guys.
  • 790
    Saw the trailer today with "Inglorious Basterds". It looked cool, nothing that will change life as we know it,,,
    The CGI looked fine I can't believe some folks nitpick the CGI in films.
    It appears that Cameron is going for the sci-fi love story angle. He may be successful but this film won't change cinema. (IMO)
  • Ken J
    Um... OR it's the humor in going from one extreme to another... NAH, that's can't be it, you're right... :-D
  • Giraffehead
    Its the fact that you are implying that if you don't like Citizen Kane you must love Battlefield Earth.
  • Ken J
    What? You don't find it amusing? Like if someone said they thought Citizen Kane sucked but Battlefield Earth was a masterpiece, you won't find that a little funny?
  • Giraffehead
    @Ken

    Are we really bringing in the TF2 comment into this also?
  • Ken J
    I'm so jealous... stupid IMAX here wasn't showing it, what homos...
  • Iron Knight
    So, I also saw the 15 min today too. Actually, just arrived from the theater. My impression: brilliant. I even enjoyed every minute of the preview, and yes, the visuals look a thousand times better on a big screen... and in 3D. And it does look very real, but I guess they'll still work on it a bit. What I also like is that the scenes showed didn't show too much of the plot, so I can still say I don't know what exactly it will be. Stephen Lang should be awesome in the film, and of course, I smiled the moment I saw Sigourney Weaver on screen. Damn, I can't wait 'til Dec. 18th!
  • Ken J
    Well hurry your slow typing ass up Kofi, geez, what a slacker... :-P just kidding, lol
  • It wasn't playing near me but Kofi saw it and is writing something up on the footage.

    Vic
  • Ken J
    @MCat

    Yah, thanks for the heads up, still waiting on more opinions frmo people who have seen it. But from my not-so-scientific experiment of seeing the trailer on a blackberry screen, in windowed mode in normal definition flash, and then full screen on high definition, it seemed to me that the bigger the screen, the more realistic it looks. So based on that, logic would suggest that since bigger=more realistic, then that means it should look great on the big screen.

    I guess what I'm saying is so far from the few things I have read about the footage on IMAX compared to the trailer, it seems this theory holds water. Everyone has said so far that it looks far more real on the big screen compared to watching the trailer on your computer...

    But in the end, it's the story telling that will be the most important, and James Cameron hasn't disappointed in that aspect yet, and I hope he doesn't start now, lol.
  • Gary
    Thanks MCat, for that report.
    I have faith in this film and I am looking forward to it.
  • MCat
    @Ken
    I just saw the 16 minute preview and I must say it was close to amazing! 1000 times better than the teaser without a doubt. It's a totally different experience. You guys will be shocked at the difference but I don't want to build up any more hype than there already is.
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