Arnold Schwarzenegger May Be Back With ‘The Last Stand’

Published 3 years ago by , Updated August 13th, 2013 at 10:24 pm,

When Arnold Schwarzenegger officially confirmed his return to acting, The Governator cartoon series wasn’t exactly what anyone was expecting to be announced as his first project. The former bodybuilder (and ex-politician) fortunately plans to get back to doing live-action fare as well, and early word is that he’s selected his comeback vehicle: Ji-Woon Kim’s The Last Stand.

Liam Neeson was set to star in Kim’s English-language debut for a while, but the director revealed that’s no longer be the case just over a month ago. I suppose if you have to replace the star of Taken in your action movie, who better than the star of Predator, The Terminator, True Lies, etc., etc.?

The Last Stand is part thriller, part modern-day western about a U.S. sheriff who maintains order around the U.S.-Mexico border. Life takes a turn for the exciting when an escaped drug dealer gets ahold of a “super car” and attempts to escape justice by crossing over into Mexico – and only the sheriff can stop him.

/Film and Movieweb are both reporting that while Schwarzenegger hasn’t finalized a deal to appear in The Last Stand just yet, it could become officially set in the near future. If it doesn’t… hey, at least we still have The Governator, right? icon razz Arnold Schwarzenegger May Be Back With The Last Stand

When Kim spoke about his English-language debut before, he had the following to say:

“My concept for ‘The Last Stand’ is that it’s kind of a combination of ‘Die Hard’ and ‘High Noon’ where [the latter] was about protecting something very important that needs to be protected, while ‘Die Hard’ is a very drawn-out, long process that almost kills someone in the process, so my film will be [about] something that has to be very well protected and in the process, we almost die protecting it in a way.”

It certainly sounds like a fitting vehicle for Schwarzenegger – playing an aged but still intimidating lawman, that is – and Kim’s previous genre films like The Good, The Bad, The Weird and I Saw the Devil are definitely memorable pieces of cinema. The combination of these two talents is certainly something I’d be interested in checking out, all things considered.

Keep your eyes peeled for some official news about Schwarzenegger joining (or not) The Last Stand in the near future.

Source: Movieweb and /Film

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  1. Arnold – What the hell are u doin , Stop it NOW ! , We all want to see u carrying a big gun running thru the chungle in either a decent Predator Sequel or Conan as an older Conan or even True Lies 2 !!!!
    You are too old for Terminator, commando or any roles that require u to do big awesome action , stick with what we know as your winning formula , enough of this Collateral Damage , Jingle All The Way horsepoop!
    Whats with all this cartoon stuff as well , i thought u were gonna make this big movie come back , whats with all the saturday (hulk hogan) mo rning tv kids stuff , Mr Stallone ( as he likes to be known ) (whatever) has obviously taken note of what works and what doesnt ( oscar , stop or my mom will shoot ) and went back down the path for what we all know and love him for – Rocky Balboa , Rambo , The Expendables so please take a note from his book and stop tryin to beome somethin you are not!

    • @ John

      Ummm, If you think Arnold is too old for film related franchise like Terminator, Commando, than he’d be too old for Predator & Conan which is being rebooted now. Just sayin.

  2. I want

    Predator sequel
    True Lies 2
    Expendables 2
    Terminator 5
    Commando 2
    Eraser 2
    Twins 2

    These are my main request, make it HAPPEN!!!
    Hell… i’ll take Jingle all the Way 2, i just want sequels to movies he’s already established, especially with my first 3 choices.

  3. he needs to get the same trainer as stallone. and he does not need to be doing the govenator. or this movie. he should be in the expendables 2 and he should do somthing inspiring somthing good or dramatic not another generic action film like he was doing befor he became govenor.

  4. Arnold Schwarzenegger needs to do more dramas rather than just doing huge action blockbusters because he pigeonholed himself as an actor who just did action movies. He is an underrated actor. So, I hope that he does more dramas, tries to reach his full potential as an actor and tries to win an Oscar.

    • But remember, he’s also remembered for some pretty hilarious comedies :) Though I’m game for drama, it’s hard not to look at Ahnuld and impulsively demand AHCTION!!

    • @paris milton,,,

      Hahaaaaahaaa,,,!

      • 790,

        I second that.

  5. It seems to me he’s trying to find something with at least a little originality and working with a director like Kim, who’s willing to cross polinate stories in the search for that, can’t be any worse than a sequel to; Well you fill in the blank…

  6. An Austrian-immigrant Sheriff facing down a drug dealer on the US-Mexican border?

    This could get interesting.

  7. Fail. Should be entitled “The Last Straw”

  8. You can’t count Arnie out. He’s too driven and too shrewd. But a big screen comeback will be tricky. If he chooses a project wholly in appropriate for his age bracket he’ll really hurt his chances. The right script, the right director and the right theme – and he’s back. Or is that ba-ack.

    • I think he may have a hardcore fan base but he never really had serious acting chops IMHO – so he should find some other way to occupy his time IMHO.

      Vic

  9. I wouldnt really call arnie a ‘talent’

  10. Ok not really looking forward to any new movies by Arnie. He is not that good of an actor and he certainly wasn’t a great governor!

  11. his accent is what will ultimately determine the fate of the movie, he can’t have his austrian accent if he’s going to play an old school american.

  12. If Arnold is in it I’m there! I’m always down to watch Arnold take care of business.

    • Yep, so is I. :)

  13. Sounds weak

    The end of Predators saw more “contentants” parachuting into the game preserve. One of them is Dutch

  14. The only guy who ever had better comebacks in his action movie career would be SYLVESTER STALLONE. Either it may be ROCKY, RAMBO, DAYLIGHT, CLIFFHANGER, THE EXPENDABLES.

    Stallone Proved he could do both acting in action and drama.. The guy thrives at playing character driven films, where as Shwarzenegger is known for his stone cold look and hulking robotic killing machine figure…

    When he did acting films that were part action/drama it turned to an epic fail. I agree “collateral damage” and “jingle all the way” was a drag.

    Even watching him on END OF DAYS made me cringe at the fact that the character he played got his butt handed to him by a satan apostle who was an old woman…

    Schwarzenegger really needs to go back to some of the films that fans really know him… May it be true lies 2 or even eraser 2 to my view. And the long awaited THE EXPENDABLES 2.

    And the governator needs at least 3 trainers.. Sly always proved that he could mold his body for every role he’s played.. While Schwarzenegger always relied on his bulky appearance in his terminator films an commando..

    • neschelle debuque,

      Stallone in character-driven roles ? That’s a first for me. And I thought that was a forte of the Great-Five: Jack Nicholson, Denzel Washington, Tom Hanks, Robert De Niro and Al Pacino.

      Primarily I believe Arnie movies had better written scripts than Stallone ones. Please check who is the King when it comes to Box-Office: Arnie or Stallone ? You will find that Arnie sweeps all the stakes in that department leaving Stallone a far behind. And there must be a big reason why a legend like James Cameron always preferred Arnie for his movies above everybody else. Also Arnie’s comedies are far better than Sly’s. Hercules in New York (1970) Twins (1988), Junior (1994), Jingle All The Way (1997) are all better than Sly’s put together.

      Regarding body/health maintenance, I hope even Stallone would have to think ten-times before advising the former MULTIPLE: Mr. Universe, Mr. Europe, Mr Olympia and what not. And there must be a reason why Arnie has been recorded in record books as “The most perfectly developed man in the history of Man-kind”. All Stallone did his whole life was play a dead-pan action hero in action movies.

      And BTW, I hope you know who’s always got the better one-liners.
      And so I always crush my enemies. See them driven before me. And hear the lamentation of the women. Arnie-style. (Just kiddng. That was a one-liner from Conan The Barbarian(1981)).

      As for now: You’re fired. Chill out, dickwad.

      • “Stallone in character-driven roles ? That’s a first for me. And I thought that was a forte of the Great-Five: Jack Nicholson, Denzel Washington, Tom Hanks, Robert De Niro and Al Pacino.”

        You never saw ROCKY, ROCKY II or ROCKY BALBOA I take it.

        • Barry,

          ROCKY, ROCKY II , ROCKY BALBOA…and…and? …Come on. I’m waiting for more…because that’s too short a list before casting Sly into the label of ‘character-driven roles’.

          Of the BIG-five, we can produce a long, long, really long list. Can’t we ?

  15. He’s a d (dutch) bag.

    :)

  16. I badly in need of a huge dose of “TRUE LIES 2″. I hope Cameron and Arnie will provide it. Give it to me, baby.

  17. what do they consider a “super car”? is it supposed to be like Knight Rider or something? because that’s pretty strange but I’d probably still watch it just to see how he stopped it

  18. @AMOL.

    I wasn’t referring to Stallone doing comedy like arnold has done in his career. I was talking about an actor like stallone that can combine drama and action altogether Was ROCKY not a character driven film? how about the first 2 RAMBO’s and RAMBO 4? Did you ever see DAYLIGHT? How about OVER THE TOP? ASSASSINS with Antonio Banderas?

    Remember the first ROCKY got nominated 10 ACADEMY AWARDS? As for your saying that Cameron picked Arnold over Sly? Both Stallone and Cameron did the screenplay for RAMBO 2.. But whadda I know? And for legendary directors, How about Richard Donner didn’t he direct ASSASSINS?

    And Sly always proved that films he directed would do great at the box office. ROCKY 3-4 and the recent rocky balboa? how about RAMBO 2 and 4? yes he directed rambo 2, google it dude… And the recent THE EXPENDABLES..

    And Stallone can DIRECT/WRITE/SCREENPLAY a film he is involved in.
    I’ve got no problem with schwarzenegger’s career coming up again for another round, I would like to see him in action roles than what you are going for..

    jingle all the way? Junior? Are you serious? or just delirious by taking ESTROGEN?

    As for physique did you ever see Arnold bulking up anymore? Sly is 64 and he’s got a better build than Arnold, Heck! even Willis is more fit than the governator is now..

    I’d rather prefer seeing Schwarzenegger in a Predator sequel or a commando sequel or any film that requires him to maim,shoot, obliterate by explosion and body slam an opponent..

    As I consider you a die hard fan of the governator’s comedy roles.. Now I know why SKYNET got beat by john connor…

    As for now: You got told!!!

  19. @AMOL

    Oh and before I forget, you mentioning the perfect developed man in history. You are dead wrong, that would be The man and the legend….

    BRUCE LEE..

    • @neschelle debuque,

      For Rambo-2, Wikipedia says this:

      (“During the early 1980s, Cameron wrote three screenplays simultaneously: The Terminator, Aliens, and the first draft of Rambo: First Blood Part II. While Cameron continued with The Terminator and Aliens, Sylvester Stallone eventually took over the script of Rambo: First Blood Part II, creating a final draft which differed radically from Cameron’s initial version.”)

      …And that means Cameron GAVE UP on Rambo. He never again became a part of it. And Who the hell is it’s director, George P. Cosmatos, compared to Cameron ?? Cameron is the better judge…any day.

      Also guys like me or anyone who I have EVER known NEVER HAVE EVER opted for ESTROGEN. May be that was the first word that came to your mind because that may be a common take-in for you . Is it !??

      AS for this…

      (“As for physique did you ever see Arnold bulking up anymore? Sly is 64 and he’s got a better build than Arnold, Heck! even Willis is more fit than the governator is now..”)

      May be Sly should have tried to shoulder the burden of a whole state no less than California as its Governor for the last seven years and we would have known how much tough the guy could have been balancing between his physique or the State affairs. Do you recall that Terminator 3 (2003) came just before Arnie became the Governator and that his physique in that movie was awesome considering his age ???

      AS for DIRECT/WRITE/SCREENPLAY, I don’t like half-measures. I prefer the guys who can do it LOT MORE efficiently, like say Kubrick-Cameron-Polanski-Spielberg-Soderbergh-Scorsese-Coppola-Hitchcock-De Palma-Koen Bros. who go the full length without shaking or blinking even once. And sorry, I don’t count Stallone among these guys.

      BUT…

      I ADMIT that, **YOU** are in better position to judge Arnie and Stallone because I think you have seen enough movies of BOTH (even though you may be a little biased towards the latter because you like him). I have watched A-L-L that Arnie has to offer till date but seen ONLY Rocky (which I absolutely LOVE) and Rambo (which I absolutely HATE) from Stallone’s stable and realized instantly that Stallone was not my type of stuff. Since then I have not watched a single movie of his except the recent ‘The Expendables (2010)’ and may not watch any further.

      • (“During the early 1980s, Cameron wrote three screenplays simultaneously: The Terminator, Aliens, and the first draft of Rambo: First Blood Part II. While Cameron continued with The Terminator and Aliens, Sylvester Stallone eventually took over the script of Rambo: First Blood Part II, creating a final draft which differed radically from Cameron’s initial version.”)

        “Oh I see, no wonder in the credits in the film says that Stallone and Cameron co wrote the script. I’ve got nothing against cameron. I think he’s one of those directors that’s got talent for all genres of films. But you on the other hand that likes to deviate from a topic at hand and likes to defend people who I havn’t even complained about maybe you should marry the guy..”

        Also guys like me or anyone who I have EVER known NEVER HAVE EVER opted for ESTROGEN. May be that was the first word that came to your mind because that may be a common take-in for you . Is it !??

        “Maybe because I thought when you like to defend Arnold so much which I have no problem with, and only saying that he should steer his career back to action film. The thought entered my mind that maybe your married to the guy..”

        (“As for physique did you ever see Arnold bulking up anymore? Sly is 64 and he’s got a better build than Arnold, Heck! even Willis is more fit than the governator is now..”)

        May be Sly should have tried to shoulder the burden of a whole state no less than California as its Governor for the last seven years and we would have known how much tough the guy could have been balancing between his physique or the State affairs. Do you recall that Terminator 3 (2003) came just before Arnie became the Governator and that his physique in that movie was awesome considering his age ???

        AS for DIRECT/WRITE/SCREENPLAY, I don’t like half-measures. I prefer the guys who can do it LOT MORE efficiently, like say Kubrick-Cameron-Polanski-Spielberg-Soderbergh-Scorsese-Coppola-Hitchcock-De Palma-Koen Bros. who go the full length without shaking or blinking even once. And sorry, I don’t count Stallone among these guys.

        “Yes because these guys did action films? did their own stunts? And played the characters in the films they directed? I mean come on, Your like comparing two different thing here.. Did Spielberg play as E.T? Was Polanski the main actor of his films? cameos maybe but thats a diferrent issue. Did Coppola wore a wig and a cape and play dracula?
        Did Brian De Palma run on a tunnel scorching with flames?”

        “And about being a Governor, what I mean’t what the fans wanted. Did anybody want to see Arnold a governor or a Terminator? I know what people would want on the latter.”

        I don’t understand why you’ve got to slam on sly. Both of them are great at their action genres, the only thing I dislike is when they experiment at too much comedy and independent films like Stallone’s driven and Avenging angelo. And Schwarzenegger’s Jingle all the way and junior. Oh and maybe you also liked schwarzeneggers cameo in AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS? PRINCE HAPI was it?

        I ADMIT that, **YOU** are in better position to judge Arnie and Stallone because I think you have seen enough movies of BOTH (even though you may be a little biased towards the latter because you like him). I have watched A-L-L that Arnie has to offer till date but seen ONLY Rocky (which I absolutely LOVE) and Rambo (which I absolutely HATE) from Stallone’s stable and realized instantly that Stallone was not my type of stuff. Since then I have not watched a single movie of his except the recent ‘The Expendables (2010)’ and may not watch any further.

        “So I’m the one who’s biased when the words coming out of your mouth are that you like Schwarzenegger than Stallone films. To which I only pointed out in my opinion that Schwarzenegger should be going for what is Stallone is doing in terms of his comeback career. Returning to what fans know him of and additionally coming up with new roles to turn to for newer audiences to appreciate.”

        • neschelle debuque,

          1. ESTROGEN attack (ha! ha! Even though that sounds funny) was a personal attack and was uncalled for. May be you thought I’m married to Arnie but your first post smelt like you were biased/married to Sly considering that there is a huge gap between box-office results/ successes achieved between the two. Arnie is leagues ahead.

          2. When I say half-measures to create a film, I mean pure action movies are EASIER to make and MOSTLY (IF NOT ALL) need NO brain cells to be burnt to be created unlike the movies made by the directors/producers I mentioned. Unless of course, if those directors themselves create one (Eg: Terminator series, Saving Private Ryan etc) which then result in the creation of a masterpiece.
          So I don’t think what Sly did (writing/directing…whatever) is a big deal.

          3. Irrespective of whether the public likes Arnie’s governator role or not, it’s still a fact that Arnie had to stay away from body-building/maintenance since 2003 otherwise he may been in better shape than he is today or even better than Sly considering he is younger than Sly. Yes, but I do wish, he would have been better sticking to movies.

          • 1. ESTROGEN attack (ha! ha! Even though that sounds funny) was a personal attack and was uncalled for. May be you thought I’m married to Arnie but your first post smelt like you were biased/married to Sly considering that there is a huge gap between box-office results/ successes achieved between the two. Arnie is leagues ahead.

            So the dickwad comment you made before was also called for. so who are you cuntface?

            I was pointing out in my first post that Arnold should go for what Sly is going for. Roles that fans are familiar with. And I didn’t comment about how the box offices grosses go. Because your the guy always looking at the grosses, maybe that’s your hobby but whadda I know? What I was pointing out was Schwarzenegger’s career was going to..Oh before I forget, how did batman and robin went?

            And how is making an action movie easy to make? Really because I think you may be a director or a script writer or a bodybuilder? Maybe you have directed SAVING RYANS PRIVATE? Maybe DUMBSTONE? directed that as well?how about FARTTALKERS? Win any awards lately? Oh i remember it was at the RAZZIE AWARDS.. “Most unheard of movie in the universe” was it?

            As I’ve said before. I’ve got no problem with Schwarzenegger. And I am happy for him returning to the big screen. To you I may have a problem Maria Schreiber or AMOL or whatever you want to call yourself. What I only pointed out was the fact that Schwarzenegger needs to reconnect with his past roles that fans know him well but in the process join new kinds of film projects like this “THE LAST STAND”… And I don’t know about an ESTROGEN ATTACK, never had that before. maybe that was a pain for you..So you have my sympathies…

            And for the record I’m not being biased towards your husband.. Sorry about that. I understand that your being a caring and supportive wife and all that…

          • 1. ESTROGEN attack (ha! ha! Even though that sounds funny) was a personal attack and was uncalled for. May be you thought I’m married to Arnie but your first post smelt like you were biased/married to Sly considering that there is a huge gap between box-office results/ successes achieved between the two. Arnie is leagues ahead.

            So maybe the comment you made before was also uncalled for?

            I was pointing out in my first post that Arnold should go for what Sly is going for. Roles that fans are familiar with. And I didn’t comment about how the box offices grosses go. Because your the guy always looking at the grosses, maybe that’s your hobby but whadda I know? What I was pointing out was Schwarzenegger’s career was going to..Oh before I forget, how did batman and robin went?

            And how is making an action movie easy to make? Really because I think you may be a director or a script writer or a bodybuilder? Maybe you have directed SAVING RYANS PRIVATE? Maybe DUMBSTONE? directed that as well?how about FARTTALKERS? Win any awards lately? Oh i remember it was at the RAZZIE AWARDS.. “Most unheard of movie in the universe” was it?

            As I’ve said before. I’ve got no problem with Schwarzenegger. And I am happy for him returning to the big screen. To you I may have a problem Maria Schreiber or AMOL or whatever you want to call yourself. What I only pointed out was the fact that Schwarzenegger needs to reconnect with his past roles that fans know him well but in the process join new kinds of film projects like this “THE LAST STAND”… And I don’t know about an ESTROGEN ATTACK, never had that before. maybe that was a pain for you..So you have my sympathies…

            And for the record I’m not being biased towards your husband.. Sorry about that. I understand that your being a caring and supportive wife and all that…

            • neschelle debuque,

              YES, IF it’s a pure testosterone based action movie then Box Office is the only concern. WHY ELSE do the Action Heroes themselves work in those types of movies for ? They always have an eye on the Box-Office. And considering that: Schwarzenegger did smart decisions and choices. Why else do people watch that type of movies for ? Action Movies are just pure fun and their popularity and in turn their hero’s popularity can only be measured by Box-Office. These type of movies are exempted from critic’s criticism. And I didn’t say Action movies are easy to make. I said they are definitely ***EASIER to make than character/script driven movies (The movies from the directors I mentioned)***. There’s a whole lot of difference between the meaning.

              And I need not belong to the film fraternity to appreciate critically-acclaimed movies irrespective of them being action types or not. I did say I LOVE ‘Rocky (1976)’ didn’t I? But I still say it was easier to make than say… an ‘L. A. Confidential (1997)’.

              Also there are movies that you laugh WITH and there are movies that you laugh AT. Batman & Robin belongs in the latter type. The point is: B&R still made me laugh and entertained me. Also it seems to that, that disastrous movie was a collective effort from the team with script-writer and the director being the MAJOR culprits. The poor actors just did their job. Please explain to me: Of all the characters how can Arnie be blamed for it’s failure ??? Anyway, I could see Arnie was enjoying whatever was provided to him. That was pure unintentional fun.

              As for the personal attack made by me which was uncalled for…I DON’T see ANY. Please point out the attack that you believe I made in my very first response to you.

              As for I being Maria or whoever, these are only your assumptions, you can believe whatever you want and I don’t have any objections or anything to say. I would rather refrain myself from making or responding to a personal attack.

              • neschelle debuque,

                I’m genuinely sorry for the ‘d**kwad’ comment. I just used it unintentionally because it was a one-liner from an Arnie movie. I actually never knew it’s real meaning as it is never used here in India and I thought it was just another fun comment.

                • I’m genuinely sorry for the ‘d**kwad’ comment. I just used it unintentionally because it was a one-liner from an Arnie movie. I actually never knew it’s real meaning as it is never used here in India and I thought it was just another fun comment.

                  So now you know why I keep calling you MARIA SCHREIBER!?
                  Yes I know, from Terminator 2..So the D**kwad comment isn’nt used in your country? Ever thought that using word that you don’t know about to other foreign people might insult them? That’s how WARS star buddy!

              • YES, IF it’s a pure testosterone based action movie then Box Office is the only concern. WHY ELSE do the Action Heroes themselves work in those types of movies for ? They always have an eye on the Box-Office. And considering that: Schwarzenegger did smart decisions and choices. Why else do people watch that type of movies for ? Action Movies are just pure fun and their popularity and in turn their hero’s popularity can only be measured by Box-Office. These type of movies are exempted from critic’s criticism. And I didn’t say Action movies are easy to make. I said they are definitely ***EASIER to make than character/script driven movies (The movies from the directors I mentioned)***. There’s a whole lot of difference between the meaning.

                Really, “exempted from critic’s criticism” you say? How about Howard Knowles? Roger Ebert? Oh and by the way, how about that WIKIPEDIA you always use? see an information on a film and has a part called “CRITICAL RECEPTION”? Sure action films are exempted from critic’s reviews..no wonder many bash action films that bomb at the box office for not having a decent script or having mindless action..

                Oh and you saying that action films are easier to make.. No wonder Lundgren, Van Damme, Seagal and Snipes are now sticking to Straight to DVD films because it’s easy to make. And studios put their faith on these films because their easy to make and the budget always gets back…

                And about Scwarzenegger always making smart decisions? Why in the hell did he accept the role of MR. FREEZE? cameo of PRINCE HAPI? how about RED SONJA? that did good at the box office.. sheesh..Oh and COLLATERAL DAMAGE? How about the time he passed the lead role for I AM LEGEND?

                And as I’ve said before, Were all the ROCKY FILMS not character driven films? What about Rambo 1 and 4? a story about a war shocked veteran trying to cope with his past and moving on with his life but always get tangled in battle is not character driven?

        • (“Oh I see, no wonder in the credits in the film says that Stallone and Cameron co wrote the script.”)

          No wonder, the name ‘Cameron’ adds **MORE** WEIGHT to the credits than Stallone alone would have. Even though like Wiki says: Stallone’s script was RADICALLY DIFFERENT than Cameron’s. That’s the reason why I said Cameron gave up on the script.

    • Nothing against the Great Man – Lee, but ‘The Guinness Book of World Records’ counts for something, doesn’t it? Especially if it bestows the honor such as the one I mentioned which they gave to good ol’ Arnie.

  20. Junior was bad, Jingle All The Way was ok, Twins was great, Kindengarden Cop was greatest Arnold did in comedy.

    • WallyWest,

      Kindergarten Cop (1990) wasn’t exactly a comedy even though I agree to every word of your ratings.

  21. Stallone plays the underdog like nobody can,,,

    At this point it would be a Oscar shocking to see him play anything else.

  22. @neschelle debuque, do you have a point?
    I’ve never seen such babble when it comes to a debate.

  23. neschelle debuque, your totally overreacting.

    • “neschelle debuque, your totally overreacting.”

      So when somebody calls you a “D**KWAD” for no apparent reason is okay for you is it??

  24. @neschelle debuque, if somebody isn’t trying to knock you down that just means your slacken. :)

  25. 790,

    Hi, Buddy. How are you ?

    Yes, I do still remember our days of conflict during TDK’s release. But then I was raw and I do regret some things I may have said to you or ‘Ken’ in course of our debate but since then I have softened up little in my talk and try not to go overboard, stay focused to the point and NEVER make intentional personal attacks.

  26. neschelle debuque,

    (“no wonder many bash action films that bomb at the box office for not having a decent script or having mindless action.”)

    I don’t know about you but I do have DISTINCT expectations when I expect something from someone like Kubrick and when I expect something from someone like Arnie. Expected standards raise for the movies of former and lower down for the films of latter. The reason: These guys have already ESTABLISHED their standards and people know what to expect. The same goes for critics. The ratings are not only the over-all ’1 to 5′ or ’1 to 10′ ratings…which would be the Type-One ratings.

    There is a second type of rating (Type-Two) which points out to how much the movie has lived up to the expected standards. The total rating is expressed as (Type-One, Type-Two).

    For example: OUT OF 5 STARS, True Lies (1994) would be (***1/2,*****) where the first one is the movie’s OVERALL rating and the second one is the rating that expresses HOW MUCH the movie has been successful in living up to Cameron and Schwarzenegger STANDARDS.

    Thus PERSONALLY for me: Terminator-2 would be (*****,*****). Batman & Robin would be (**,*). Stanley Kubrick’s ’2001: A Space Odyssey’ would be (*****,*****) and ‘Full Metal Jacket’ would be (***, **).

    Expectation standards are set for each and every one in the film industry (yes, even for the B-Grade action heroes you are trying to compare with King Arnie). People/critics know WHAT/HOW MUCH to expect and not a single penny more. And when the delivery is not to that PARTICULAR standards they get disappointed.

    So for me a Commando (1985) and an L. A. Confidential (1997) are two DISTINCT types. A little bit of slackening on the part of xcript, direction and acting would have been enough for the latter to be considered as a farce. But the script-writing/directing was complex for the latter.

    But nobody would flinch if John Matrix kills 10 guys less than the ninety-nine he did in Commando (1985). Or if Rambo kills 30 less than the 83 guys he did in to, in ‘Rambo’ (2008).

    So for me, action movies are GENERALLY EASIER to make than character/script driven ones.

  27. neschelle debuque,

    (“Why in the hell did he accept the role of MR. FREEZE? cameo of PRINCE HAPI? how about RED SONJA? that did good at the box office.. sheesh..Oh and COLLATERAL DAMAGE?”)

    I hope you know that ‘Batman & Robin’ wasn’t exactly a flop. In fact when compared individually, it grossed ($107,325,195) more than each individual movie of Stallone in the last T-E-N years (http://boxofficemojo.com/). Stallone’s best gross in the last T-E-N years is Spy kids:3D (whatever) which isn’t exactly a typical Stallone movie and which collected less than…you guessed it…Batman and Robin. I’m talking about the same span of time where you are saying Arnie should be as wise as Stallone in choosing movies.

    Red Sonja was seriously a dud but the other movies you named came after Eraser. Still Arnie was the Box-Office King in the 1980s and 1990s. Yes, he did loosen after Eraser but even then End of Days (1999) was something different attempted. Once there was a period when he was the Most Bankable Star along with Julia Roberts. Stallone can never boast of that type of thing.

    And then there are career grosses to consider for both (http://boxofficemojo.com/) which project Arnie superior to Stallone.

    • neschelle debuque,

      Also your posts are getting a little-bit of non-readable. So regarding our debate, just say what you have to say. You don’t have to copy my whole paragraph for reference to make your point. I know what I have said before and will know what you are referring to without copying my whole paragraph or please at least put it in brackets.

    • Yes, I agree schwarzenegger is BIG at the BOX OFFICE! like you say.. but my main point is ” IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT MY POINT IS”. is that he should return to roles that people are accustomed seeing him in…

      THAT WAS MY MAIN POINT! I wasn’t comparing him to Stallone if you have read my first post… My point that he should get back to the gym so that he could easily return to these roles without US fans saying when he is on the screen “say has arnold gotten smaller these past few years?”.

      GET THE PICTURE? Im not trying to demote your IDOL.. heck! I like watching him again saying “STICK AROUND” or “IF IT BLEEDS WE CAN KILL IT”..

      MY MAIN POINT is that he should go for what sly is going with his recent career! Maybe revisit PREDATOR/COMMANDO/TERMINATOR/CONAN/TRUE LIES and join new film projects like THE EXPENDABLES 2 or even SGT. ROCK.. Make him even an aged Colossus in an AGE OF APOCALYPSE movie!

      • neschelle debuque,

        I agree with each and every point of yours in this post.

    • @ Amol

      I don’t mean to get myself involve in you two’s debate but you do have a valid point in this post here. Batman & Robin wasn’t a flop. Infact a 5th film was already getting planned with Schumacher wanting to make the franchise dark again as the first two films made it. But due to critic & fan negative revivews of Batman & Robin, it was canceled. Anyways, besides that i consider both Schwarzenegger & Stallone great action stars.

      • Yes, ‘Batman & Robin’ entertained but in the un-intentional way. It was more like a spoof of Batman. Although it looked like a bad patch on Batman still it was a movie we could laugh AT. And I think the most entertaining role in a hilarious way was Arnie’s, ( saying not because I’m an Arnie fan) but Schwarzenegger’s performance did appear larger-than-life as compared to the pathetic jobs of his colleagues in ‘Badman & Ribbon’…oops… ‘Batman & Robin’. :)

  28. neschelle debuque,

    Also, I know there are some Stallone movies out there worth watching at least once, knowing how Rocky was a good one (even though I prefer Scorsese’s ‘Taxi Driver’ more that year). But a part of my dislike for Stallone even after just watching only two movies of his (ROCKY and First Blood) originates from the fact that when I **seriously** dipped my teeth into Hollywood movies for the **first** time during my childhood was in 1994 when here in Mumbai, India, both Arnie’s True Lies and Stallone’s Specialist were released on the same day. And we, a group of around 25 friends, decided to do a toss-up to prefer one movie over another. Finally I was among the group of about 16 guys that preferred ‘True Lies’ and the remaining guys opted for ‘Specialist’. And we, who chose Arnie, came out of the theatre happy and thrilled after the movie ended whereas the other group was moderately OK with the movie they had watched.

    Eventually, here in India, ‘True Lies’ was a block-bluster hit but ‘The Specialist’ on the contrary…

    • I agree with you on THE SPECIALIST, it’s also on my list of films that are dumb and dumber in my terms…I thought THE SPECIALIST was part SUSPENSE/ACTION, but I was wrong..It was neither..I think it tried to be like a james bond film which to me didn’t work..And I do agree True Lies was better, that is why I have true lies on DVD and not the specialist. And dude Im from the Philippines and the movies being showned here are far worse in quality…

      • neschelle debuque,

        Believe me, 3/4th of the aggregate movies made annually here in India too are crap. They are the usual song-and-dance junk that nobody cares about. But the remaining 1/4th is pure gold and worth watching multiple times. One of the best ever that I would like the world to watch is the thriller that is Kamal Haasan’s Hey Ram (2000) which was India’s official entry to the Oscars but did not make it to the last five.

  29. neschelle debuque and 790,

    Could you recommend some good Stallone movies ? I think it’s overdue and I should watch some Stallone after all.

    • “Could you recommend some good Stallone movies ? I think it’s overdue and I should watch some Stallone after all.”

      Rocky III – Proves it’s better than part 2

      Rocky IV – Thanks to Stallone, Lundgren’s career went up on this one.. and the one liner from lundgren ” I MUST BREAK YOU”.

      TANGO & CASH – Seemed a little bit cheesy but hey.. Kurt Russell’s in the film.

      COBRA – Same as above but still some fun action.

      Demolition Man – Great movie with Wesley Snipes as the villain.

      Assassins – Same as demolition man but with Antonio Banderas as the villain.

      Daylight – Disaster film on a new york collapsed tunnel. where sly tries to lead the survivors to the surface.

      Cliffhanger – Sly plays a mountain climber who gets tangled in the middle of a US treasury heist.

      JUDGE DREDD – I liked the film for what it was, many of the comic book fans hated it. The only thing I hated on the film was ROB SCHNEIDER and TAKING OFF OF DREDD’S HELMET.

      D-TOX – Seemed like a mix of the film “THE THING and “SCREAM”. Sure it dragged at the box office because people thought it was an action film. But hey it was an ensemble cast film..and the story was okay.

      Over the Top – A drama about a truck driver trying to reclaim his son while competing and becoming a arm wrestling champion… It’s like rocky except the villain is sly’s father in law.. I know it sounds cheesy, but it was the 80′s

      ROCKY BALBOA – Great ending to the film series..and proved better than rocky 5.

      RAMBO 4 – Sly wrote and directed the film, at first I was skeptical at watching it after part III. But hell it was an intense violent ride. Sly pushed the limits on this one..This should have been the sequel to the original first blood.

      THE EXPENDABLES – Fun and insane film for an 80′s throwback of films. too bad many of the film’s plot and characters had to be written out and cut because (NU IMAGE) as a company is cheap and AVI LERNER is a hack producer. But Sly tries to make the look of the movie, as if some big film company backed it up..

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