Anthony Mackie Talks The Falcon & Defends Human Torch Casting

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Not everyone is totally thrilled with the casting of Michael B. Jordan (Chronicle) as Johnny Storm AKA the Human Torch in Twentieth Century Fox’s upcoming Fantastic Four reboot, but Jordan himself doesn’t seem too bothered by the backlash. When ambushed by reporters on his way into a club and asked for his thoughts on the matter, Jordan just smiled and responded, “They’re still going to go see it anyway.” He’s definitely got the attitude down already.

Canonically speaking, the Marvel movies all take place in alternate universes and therefore any changes between the page and the screen are explained in the same way as the differences between, for example, Earth-616 and the Ultimates universe. Comic books have a long history of playing with continuity and retconning characters, so if anything this is in keeping with the traditions of the medium. As the first comic book ever published under Marvel’s name, Fantastic Four debuted three years before the Civil Rights Act was passed and as such the team members were white more or less by default. Now that more fifty years have passed, the idea of a black Human Torch should theoretically be a lot less controversial.

We’ve already covered the reason why the decision to cast Jordan as the Human Torch makes sense from a business standpoint, and Captain America: The Winter Soldier star Anthony Mackie has also spoken out in defense of the casting. (For those unfamiliar, in the Cap sequel Mackie plays Sam Wilson AKA Falcon, an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. who is equipped with a pair of mechanical wings.)

In an interview with ComicBook.com Mackie admits that he was never into comic books as a kid (he preferred baseball), and that while he was “emotional and overjoyed” to be offered a role in the Marvel franchise, he finds the fans’ insistence on movies being identical to the source material a little baffling:

“It’s crazy how much they know, and if you deter from that, it’s like ‘Well, that’s not authentic.’ You know it’s not real. It’s made-up, so we can change it. ‘No, no, that’s not right. No, he’s real.’ Alright.”

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The distinction between real people and comic book characters is an important one, though you wouldn’t think so by the number of comic book fans who insist that Michael B. Jordan playing Johnny Storm is analogous to a white actor playing Martin Luther King. When asked for his opinion on Jordan’s casting and the subsequent backlash, Mackie first confirmed that Jordan is definitely locked for the role, and then explained that an adaptation of such a fantastical story should be open to creative freedom on the part of the filmmaker.

“Michael B. Jordan is a very good friend of mine. I’ve known him since he was a teenager, and I’m so happy, for more than anybody else for him to be getting the accolades he’s getting, because he deserves it… I think with these type of movies, everything else aside, you need a good actor. Michael B. Jordan is a good actor, black or white. So what you have to realize is, and go back and forth and just say, ‘Superman can’t fly, Batman ain’t real, the Human Torch don’t really set himself on fire and fly around the room, so he can look like whatever they want him to look like.’ You just have to allow yourself to see him that way. And if you can’t do that, that says something about you.”

Fantastic Four co-creator Stan Lee has previously commented on the issue of characters having a different race in the movie versions. When Donald Glover’s fans were lobbying for him to be cast as the next Spider-Man, Lee said in an interview with MTV:

“As far as I’m concerned … anybody should have a chance to audition for the role… I don’t ever want to make it sound like I’m trying in any way to influence the Marvel people as to who to cast in any roles. That isn’t my job. It isn’t in my purview. It’s something I should butt out of and I try to butt out of it — just like I don’t tell them what to do with the movie.”

Most people seem to have made their minds up one way or another on the issue, but we’ll find out next summer whether or not director Josh Trank’s unusual casting decisions – which also include Miles Teller as Reed Richards, Kate Mara as Sue Storm and Jamie Bell as Ben Grimm – have paid off. We’re definitely looking forward to seeing the first trailers for this new take on the franchise.

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Captain America: The Winter Soldier opens in theaters on April 4th, 2014.

Fantastic Four arrives in theaters on June 19, 2015.

Source: ComicBook.com

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  1. I don’t mind them casting a black actor for the part, but I would have preferred they stick to the material.

    Let’s just hope they make a decent movie, nevermind the casting choices at this point.

  2. Seriously, most of these comments make me sick. Being a white realist and non-racist, I have zero qualms about this… And neither should anyone else when considering what the author of this article clearly states. “team members were white more or less by default”, for reasons in the article, despite which way you look at it and without nitpicking… This goes for most if not all comic book characters created in that era. Being white is not and never was incremental to the character. I’m a comic book fan myself and even I can be open minded about this. Yes, he and Sue Storm are siblings and she has been cast as a white person and whilst that may be questionable without knowing the exact explanation for this… it really shouldn’t make a difference if they alter the back story SLIGHLTY so that they are Step Siblings or something like that… It doesn’t make a difference to any present or future story elements in the film/s. And like the article suggests… Comic books have multiple universes in which characters and back stories are different… And the same is already existent in different iterations of comic book characters and storylines/back stories in films such as Spider-Man and the Amazing Spider-Man for example. What’s truly important is the actors ability to portray the characters personality, not his skin colour… And perhaps a lot of people complaining aren’t actually aware of Michael B Jordan’s acting ability, particularly with this sort of character, personality wise. Such ignorant and closed minded opinions are ridiculous in this day and age. Well, with such ignorance and closed mindedness I don’t know why I’m even wasting my time posting an open minded comment. Oh, and to call the author of this article “self righteous” is preposterous, when in actually fact they are defending race and stating realistic facts to defend race and universe building from page to screen.

    • Spot on!

    • Let´s cast Clint Eastwood as Human Torch, he is such a good actor!

      Hey, why not casting a blonde swedish guy to play, I don´t know, Abraham Lincoln, after all, the only thing that matters is how good you portray the personality, right?

      According to that way of thinking, why bothering in using make up or dressing. After all the only thing that matters is good acting, isn´t it?

      • Spot on !

        • O_O

    • Ask any black person if their race is important to them, if its part of their identify and you’d be damned sure they’d say yes. People are not interchangeable. People are unique and their race, gender, religion and sexual orientation are all part of that uniqueness. This should be celebrated, not sugarcoated. And it just so happens (by default, as you and this writer like to say) that the creators of the F4 were white. Why is that now bad thing that needs to be fixed? They wrote and created these characters as they saw them. You are assuming they were racist (by default) by creating a family of four white characters. Why is that racist? Why does this need to be changed? Who are you or the producers of this film to change the genius of Stan and Jack? What bug has gotten under your skin that you think this is okay? Is this misplaced white guilt? I just don’t understand. Do you even like comics or just comic book movies? Would you really be cool if black comic book characters started to be portrayed by white actors? I won’t even go Black Panther with it – How about Spawn, Cyborg, Icon, Hardware, Steel, Blade, Storm, Bishop, John Stewart, etc? It seems like the supporters of this insane change are on some sort of pc driven crusade to trash comics history and it just makes me sick. Oh, and if you aren’t on their side, then you’re a racist. This is a akin to calling people Nazis. You automatically lose the argument.

  3. I didn’t see this much outrage about source material when they made Bane (a south American Hispanic character)white in the Dark Knight rises or in Batman and Robin.

    • Of course you didn’t. Many become irrational when it comes to black people. Just look at the comments. All the “non-racists” claiming that this film is doomed and ruined because there will be a black Johnny Storm. “I refuse to see it!” they say. “I’m a purist” they’ll claim. So much of a purist, in fact, that they seem to forget that the entire medium they are pretending they want to stay “pure” has life long tradition of constantly changing and retooling their characters and stories, revisioning them. They can handle worlds of change, characters dying over and over again, backstories changing and overlapping, multiple timelines, anything…. as long as you never change the race of one of their thousands of precious white characters.

      You can tell there is no logic or thought that goes into these angry rants against the race changes, because look at the counter “arguments”: Let’s make Black Panther white. Let’s make John Shaft white… They think they are making a point when they are really saying nothing at all of import, and proving, instead, their tenuous grasp on anything outside their perspective. The entire landscape is DOMINATED by white male heroes and villains. So much so that nearly every female or black male or Asian character, etc, is specially designed upon inception to add diversity to the ranks. The race and/or sex of these characters are all in some way very specific. Changing any of them to white to somehow even an imaginary score is ludicrous and disingenuous. You could change the entire Avengers team to black and make all the Justice League principles female and STILL the landscape will be dominated by white male heroes.

      • aahh.. Poor Boy

  4. Wrong choices = Crappy film.

  5. Its not easy ‘getting’ your point across I meant :/

  6. Its not easy ‘getting’ your point across I meant :/

  7. This version of the FF is getting made. Nothing any fan of the FF comics, cartoon or previous movies will stop Fox from making this movie and holding onto the rights for the FF. Done, over.

    For my part I had hoped that the Storms would be siblings. I had no issue with them being black siblings or Chinese siblings. For me the Storms look almost like twins. That isn’t the direction Fox and Trank are going, oh well.

    What I care about now is this: if the re-boot fails, if it loses money and is panned, I do not want to hear anyone blame the fans for being racist. Sure so may be, but most are not. So if this fails it fails because of the filmmakers and actors, not the fans.

  8. My comment keeps getting posted on the wrong page :/

  9. The comic nerd in me likes continuity so I will wait to see the movie until it comes out on dvd. I have been burned to many times by hollywood butchering comic book films and there are a plethora of superhero movies to choose from nowdays. Unfortunately Hollywood caters to mainstream that’s were the money is so we get films like batman vs superman , Iron man 3, x-men 3, and the dark knight rises. comic fans at least get a movie out of it :( lol.

    • Wait, you’re saying IM3, TDKR, Superman Vs Batman DON’T cater to comic book fans like myself, who loved the first two movies listed and is excited to see the third?

      What are you taking to lose your common sense and can I have some please? It’s tough being one of the few logical people on this website when most other commenters (other than Mindbender, ColdSc, Deadpool and a few others not named Jeff) throw hissy fits over nothing a lot of the time.

  10. Guys Guys GUYS…and gals. Can we all agree that us comic fans aren’t exactly pleased with them messing with the material. BUT at the same time can we please just relax and actually WAIT to see the movie before jumping to conclusions about it being bad or not?

    Personally I am a traditionalist and am not super thrilled about the casting, but I am not gonna go dogging the guy just because he isn’t a while guy playing a white comic character. Remember that this is Fox’s series, and seeing as these movies are their own universe lets say that this movie takes place in a universe where they are all young, AND Johnny Storm is black.

    Might I also make known something else. A little light in the dark for all those haters out there. IF and this is a BIG if, the movie does suck SOOOOOO horribly, and is panned beyond all reckoning, then maybe FOX might take a hit and be forced to sell back the rights to MARVEL/Disney. THEN you haters out there can get the white johnny storm you all want so badly.

    So why don’t you all think on that as we wait to see with our own eyes how it turns out. Cause it’s like Jordan said…your still gonna go see it…I know I will.

    • Wait. You are saying that fans should wait for a trailer, or more info. But that you are seeing it no matter what? Speaking for myself, Chronicle was not impressive, I know it was small budget though. Trank may do something amazing, but if the story stinks the trailer won’t show that. Myself, I’ll wait until it comes out and all the reviews are in. If it is amazing, yeah Ill go see it. But if it is just another CBM then Netflix.

      • No I am simply saying that despite my preference of not caring for him being cast as johnny storm, I know that even though I might not want to go, I’ll end up going one way or another. either with family, or friends, somehow I’ll end up seeing it.

        Won’t you?

        • My comic film friend is a Johnny Storm/Aquaman fan. So he is bummed. He isn’t racist, not perfect though. I have no idea why he isn’t a Batman fan.

          Anyways, yeah I’ll see it eventually. I watched Roger Corman’s version, parts anyways. I’ll get bored and it will be free. What i am saying is that trailers alone won’t get me to the theaters. If my buddy who does movie promotions gets me a free ticket I’ll see it in the theaters.

          • Indeed, and it is like both Jordan, and I am saying, one way or another people will go see it. be it sneaking in, paying for it, being invited to go see it, or ripping it off…people will STILL see it, no matter how much they bash it.

            And why ISN’T he a Batman fan…he’s getting all the big stuff these days, especially in the comics. they have the year zero going on, and have just announced a new 60 issue weekly series titled: Batman Eternal…in a design similar to the akrham games logo

            • Skimming through a bad movie on Netflix is not what he meant. FF needs money, not eyeballs.

            • Super friends, everyone has a favorite.

            • Pat Boone doing a cover of “Express Yourself” would make me curious enough to listen, but no way would I pay for it.

        • Is not my case, I won´t see it, at least not spending money.

  11. I think I agree with what Mackie said I haven’t seen any of Jordan’s work but I hear he is incredible as an actor however fans of anything I think are really protective over everything that they are a fan of because they find something inside of it that they can connect with or feel strength from or make them feel better and there are a bunch of other reasons I think… I think this is whats going on with the FF reboot right now I always had an image of the cast of the FF reboot and I can garantee you all it was nothing like this one but the truth is… this stuff isn’t real regardless of what anyone draws from it it just isn’t real and thats what makes it so magical because its not real it can be done in so many different ways.

    • I’ve only ever seen him in Chronicle but while he was the school jock, for once the character wasn’t a total d-bag and was actually incredibly likeable and I put that down to the writing and Jordan’s acting and personality.

      In fact, the only d-bags I thought were in Chronicle were the school bullies and Andrew’s cousin, the 3rd wheel of the movie’s main trio of characters.

  12. “They’re still going to go see it anyway.”

    Actually no, I won’t. The premise for the show sounds terrible, the actors don’t fit the roles…..yeah this isn’t the Fantastic Four so I’m completely disinterested.

    • Read Ultimate FF about a group of people in their early 20s who met at Professor Storm’s school for gifted students with Reed as star pupil and meeting Storm’s daughter Sue and her younger brother Johnny.

      Once you’re done reading it, try coming back and hilariously claiming that the movie “isn’t following the source material, I’m not watching”.

      • Maybe you didn´t notice, but ultimate FF is NOT the source material. We don´t want an adaptation of the adaptation, thanks.

        P.S: ultimate Johnny Storm is also white.

      • As UltronUnlimited pointed out, even in the Ultimates version Johnny was white.

        And if we are to believe the rumored script, Reed Richards and Ben Grimm will meet as adolescents and there will be some form of governmental influence.

        So yeah, they apparently aren’t even following the Ultimates…..hilarious.

  13. What if they wanted to cast a white actor as The Falcon?

    • What if they did? Who cares its just a movie? Fantastic Four movies suck anyway like there comics do. They changed FF members in the comics also it was their kids, Spiderman even Red Hulk was in FF.

      Even if they changed their minds you probably still wouldn’t see it anyway. So why complain?

      • Wow your comment makes no sense. Who cares? The movie will suck just like the comics do? If you don’t like either why comment? I for one would be fascinated to know how people would react to a white Falcon. Ther race of that character is not inherently important to the character (unlike Black Panther). Would hypocrisy occur?

        • What if the Falcon was played by hispanic? I’d be curious to see the response.

          • My guess is that comics fans would complain for exactly the same reasons.

        • It would be easy to make Black Panther white, just say he’s adopted.

        • I think we all know the answer to that question.

  14. Yeah alright, only people who don’t care much about the source material in the first place will think this is fine. Having read every single issue of the main series I can’t say I support this at all. It’s just a strong sign they won’t follow nor respect the source material as they should. I hope it bombs.

    • We do care about the source material. We also understand that this is a movie, not a comic. Try to judge the movie as you would judge any other film, otherwise you’ve missed the point behind CBMs. If they didn’t respect the source material then they wouldn’t have labelled it a FF movie in the first place.

      If you don’t understand that then ‘racist’ is what you are. & so is everyone who is as block-headed as you are.

      • And if you don´t understand that this is all about watching the comic characters becoming alive then you are slower tan you seem.

        You think we are racist for not wanting a black playing a White character? Well, I think you are not a real fan.

        I don´t want a black playing a white. The same way I don´t want a white playing a black. If the carácter is white in comics it should stay White, if it´s black it should stay black, if it´s blonde should stay blonde, if it´s brunette it should stay brunette, if it´s french it should stay french, if it´s hispanic it should stay hispanic. The character has to be as it is in the comic, just like that. I know that you have problems understanding that without recurring to the “racist” argument, but it´s just like that.

        And if the actor doesn´t look like the carácter then he is not playing the same carácter and therefore I´m not interested.

        I´m not watching this movie because it´s not a movie about the Fantastic Four we read in comics.

        • The source material shouldn’t dictate how good or bad a movie is. Furthermore, people still say they won’t even see the film because a black guy is playing the role. & they say it with a straight face as if there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

          What’s wrong with a black man playing a character conjured from fiction? Give me a legitimate answer & I will even go down on my knees to apologise. I wouldn’t mind a white man playing Blade if he kicked ass.

          CBMs would bank Oscars if viewers saw films as products inspired by comics instead of direct parallels to comics.

          • Sorry but I have to say I’m not even White and I still disagree with this. In all honestly, nobody really cares about the Fantastic Four as far as the general public goes, and casting like this is pretty much the only way the movie’ll get any media attention. “Oh hey they cast a black guy in the role of a white superhero!”

            • The point is it shouldn’t matter. Someone who has never heard of F4 could give the movie a 40% because they cast a black guy. Do you see how messed up this is from my perspective? I’ve never stopped respecting the original comics, hate the movie for any other reason because race is not a hate factor.

              • You still miss the point totally. This is not about race. This is about the actor not looking at all alike the character he is portraying.

                I think it´s easy to understand: if the actor doesn´t look like the part then he is not playing the same character.

                Take a white actor with black long hair to play Johnny Storm and you will get a pretty similar reaction from fans.

  15. So let’s make. blade movie with a white Blade or an a Asian Blade! Let’s see how many Black folks get pissed… After all Blade being black has zero to do with the character….lol…

    • Great idea! Let’s get Channing Tatum on it!

  16. no one seemed to mind a latina sue storm i.e. jessica alba

    • What is your point?

    • Don’t know how many times this ha to be said: Alba is half white and played the character as white. Not the same thing as MBJ. You can argue that it’s find to change the race but don’t bring in Alba as an example.

    • Half Mexican… Mexicans are a mix of Saniards and Indians anyway… So that makes her very passable white girl…

  17. It doesnt matter of what u say yaw need to stick with how the comic storys r and the people. Ur casting of a black human torch is not right he suppose to b a white its n the comics get ur casting right. Its not about racism its about comic storys and the people n it. If ur going to make super hero movies from comics get it right.

    • If they wanted an exact image mirror image of the characters in the comics, they would have adapted a specific arch like ‘Watchmen’.

  18. what next?? wolverine black after and a Chinese Thor. No s*** dont touch main character.

  19. ATTENTION EVERYONE THAT KEEPS USING “THE SOURCE MATERIAL” AS YOUR MAIN DEFENSE AS TO WHY YOU’RE AGAINST THIS CASTING:

    If sticking with the source material is SO important to you, from now on, you better complain about EVERY SINGLE CHANGE. Eye color, shape of mouth, hair length, fingernail length, costume look/colors/style, look of the super powers, time period, house shape/style, space between teeth, number of hair follicles, dialect, nose size…EVERYTHING. Instead of just picking and choosing with every film that comes along, which things you’re okay with being changed.

    Otherwise, your source material argument is INVALID.

    • Oh well if you scream it then we all must listen to you, not.

      Everyone is different. Stop lumping.

      Personally, I know that there is no source which is absolute. BUT, like any piece of art if you take too many liberties, if you change too much then you are no longer looking at the same thing. I could change the Mona Lisa, but it doesn’t mean I could improve on it.

      Trank has a lot riding on this movie as a filmmaker. I hope he knows what he is doing. Time will tell.

      • Who’s screaming? All I see are words on a screen in all caps. No exclamation points.

        “Everyone is different. Stop lumping.”

        No, everyone is not different. I’m talking to everyone who uses the source material as their defense. Thus, they are all the same.

        “if you take too many liberties, if you change too much then you are no longer looking at the same thing.”

        So again, I pose the question. How does making Johnny Storm’s skin darker, no longer make him the same person??? I have yet to see anyone come up with a logical explanation as to why he necessarily needs to be white. And no, “cause he’s white in the comics!” is not a logical reason.

        • CAPS

        • Like I said, everyone is different.

          If too much is changed then it ceases to be what it was. Maybe that will be good under Trank, maybe it won’t. At this point it is wait and find out.

          As a fan of comics I have dropped titles because of a new artist or a new writer that I did not like. I doubt I am alone in that. It had nothing to do with race, or anything political. It was simply because I didn’t like it.

      • If you’re comparing this to art, then your argument is irrelevant.
        Things are added on famous art pieces to layer & add on to the context of the work, not to completely negate the original idea.

        • Comics are art, a collaborative art done for profit.

          I may walk away fro Trank’s version of the FF saying “he nailed it”, “he changed this that and the other thing, but he kept the core experience I had when I read the FF.” I may also walk away saying “wow, that wasn’t the FF but it was terrific, new and unique” Lastly, I say something like “what a huge waste of money and talent.”

          I don’t know, time will tell.

    • you are reaching dragonsoul2

      • Maybe I’m reaching, maybe not. But you still haven’t provided a logical reason why Johnny Storm can’t be black.

    • I think even you will understand that not all the changes are of the same intensity. The point is that you see the actor and you think: “hey, he really looks like whatever”.

      I think eye color has very Little influence. On the other hand, yes, there are changes that have nothing to do with skin color that represent an equally bad departure from the source material. And yes, I would complain exactly the same if they had chosen Bradley Cooper as Johnny Storm, because, although he is White, he doesn´t look like Johnny Storm at all.

      And I think everybody would complain exactly in the same way if they casted a blonde guy to play superman or a black-haired guy to play Captain America or a blond but short-haired guy to play Thor.

      Ironically, all the people that are justifying the race change and pretend to be open-minded would be perplexed and would complain like crazy if they casted a blond long-haired guy to play Superman.

      • Cumberbatch as Khan was terrible casting is a good example. Great actor, wrong part. Somehow that casting regressed even further, at least Montleban wasn’t lily white with blue eyes.

      • “And yes, I would complain exactly the same if they had chosen Bradley Cooper as Johnny Storm, because, although he is White, he doesn´t look like Johnny Storm at all.”

        Then what does Johnny Storm look like then? How can you possibly come up with a definitive, official, version of what a character that has been drawn thousands of different ways by hundreds of artists looks like??

        And not as many people as you think would complain about a blond guy playing Superman. There is this really cool invention called hair dye. Problem solved. And you mention Captain America. Chris Evans real hair color is not that pure, bleach blonde color that he has as Cap. They dyed it. Boom. Problem solved.

        I think Bradley Cooper would totally kick a** as Human Torch.

        • Some people might make up what these characters look like in their minds and assign a preconceived notion of what a character drawn by multiple people would look like in real life.

          Using Evans as a an example one could argue that Steve Rogers and Johnny Storm must look like the same generic White guy with a different costume. Hannibal King, Wade Wilson and Hal Jordan are triplets too. And all the people who have played Bruce Wayne bear such an uncanny resemblance to each other that they match the comic book version perfectly, except the new Batman also looks like Daredevil.

        • “Then what does Johnny Storm look like then? How can you possibly come up with a definitive, official, version of what a character that has been drawn thousands of different ways by hundreds of artists looks like?? ”

          Really? Are you really asking that? I can´t believe that even yourself believe in such a bland argumentation. Thousands of different ways? Every artist so far have drawed him in only one way.

          “And not as many people as you think would complain about a blond guy playing Superman. There is this really cool invention called hair dye. Problem solved. And you mention Captain America. Chris Evans real hair color is not that pure, bleach blonde color that he has as Cap. They dyed it. Boom. Problem solved.”

          Then again you are totally missing the point. Is not how the actor looks in real life, it´s a matter of how the actor looks while he is portraying the character. You just said it, they dyed Chris Evans hair so that he looked like Cap because Cap is blonde and they would dye a blonde actor to play Superman to make him look like the character because Superman has black hair, can you make Michael B. Jordan look like a white blonde guy? if the answer is yes then go ahead otherwise it doesn´t make sense because, I repeat this is NOT a race issue, this is about looking like the character.

          And the fact that you think that Bradley Cooper would be a perfect Human Torch implies that it´s imposible that we agree. He is a good actor, but it doesn´t mind because he just DOESN´T look like the human torch at all.

          • Anyone that would put “looks”, over acting ability isn’t even worth arguing with. Does Ian McKellan look ANYTHING like the comic book version of Magneto?? He doesn’t. It wouldn’t have made any sense whatsoever to cast a buff white guy and give him white hair, when he’s supposed to be around the same age as Professor X.

            If you want to make a great movie that’s based on a comic, as opposed to a “comic book movie”, then you’ll find good actors and make them look like the character, not find someone who looks like the character and then teach them how to act.

            Anyway, that’s off topic. That was my response to your Bradley Cooper comment.

            So you’re saying that every single incarnation of Johnny Storm as looked EXACTLY the same? Nose size, hair length, forehead size, facial hair, etc. I guarantee you they are not all the same.

            Let me ask this, and this goes out to everyone that’s arguing against this. Had Marvel made ONE version of Johnny Storm as a black guy in the one of the FF comic book series, would you still be arguing against this choice??? I mean because then it would be based on the source material right? If your answer is no, then you really need to think about what you’re arguing for. If they change Johnny’s race in one of the many comic universes, then can also change it in one of the movies.

            • I don´t put looks over acting, I just put looks at the same level, both things are important and in addition, in this case, let´s be serious, it is not a very demanding role, hundreds of actors could perform it decently.

              Ian McKellen doesn´t look like Magneto, true, but X-Men was practically the first superhero movie and at that moment we were happy just watching something that resembled a Little our beloved characters. Nowadays I would like to see a Magneto closer to the one shown in comics.

              You say: “If you want to make a great movie that’s based on a comic, as opposed to a “comic book movie”, then you’ll find good actors and make them look like the character, not find someone who looks like the character and then teach them how to act”

              First, I don´t want a movie based in a comic, or at least not if that means departing too much from the source. Second, who said anything about first looks and then teach acting? You look for actors that have both features and it´s ok for everybody if you take a good actor and make him look like the carácter even though he doesn´t look like him at all. The problem is I don´t think that´s posible with Jordan.

              I wonder what you mean with “exactly” evidently is not “exactly”. Not even photos show twice the same face, even your face is not exactly the same from one day to another. But I think everybody can come up with a description that fits perfectly for Johnny Storm. If a friend of you who doesn´t read comics wanted a description of how Johnny Storm looks like I asume you wouldn´t tell him: “it depends on the artist”, you would tell him the description we all have in mind.

              And yes I would argue also against that choice, in the same way I complain about the other members of the cast, who, by the way, are also horrible, because this is not the version of FF I am interested in watching. I am not interested in an adaptation of the adaptation, and this is where this movie is going (all the discussion about MBJ is hidding the fact the other actors are equally bad for the roles).

              I would like to add something. I have read some people saying that they don´t care about race swap as long as race doesn´t play a definitory aspect of the character. Well, in that case I´m quite convinced that being White is definitory for Johnny Storm. He is this superficial archaetype of Young w.a.s.p that doesn´t fit with a black guy. As somebody said, Johnny Storm is an example of republican superhero.

              • “Ian McKellen doesn´t look like Magneto, true, but X-Men was practically the first superhero movie and at that moment we were happy just watching something that resembled a Little our beloved characters.”

                Come on now, don’t you think that’s pretty easy to say that now, AFTER the fact? There were just as many people complaining about Ian McKellen then as there are people complaining about this now.

                Obviously, if you can find an actor who not only looks just like the character, but can also act, that would be ideal. But how realistic of a possibility is that?? I mean really. Even identical twins have slight differences in their faces. What’s the chance of someone finding a human being that looks EXACTLY like a comic book character, unless that character was based on them?

                “But I think everybody can come up with a description that fits perfectly for Johnny Storm. If a friend of you who doesn´t read comics wanted a description of how Johnny Storm looks like I asume you wouldn´t tell him: “it depends on the artist”, you would tell him the description we all have in mind.”

                Saying that everyone can come up with a description that fits Johnny Storm is COMPLETELY speculative. And what could that description possibly be other than: white, and in good physical shape?? That doesn’t sound very descriptive to me. It actually sounds really broad and generic. Johnny’s hair has been all sorts of different lengths, and different colors. I’m curious as to what YOUR physical description of him would be.

                “I am not interested in an adaptation of the adaptation, and this is where this movie is going (all the discussion about MBJ is hidding the fact the other actors are equally bad for the roles).”

                Well by all means, man…don’t watch the movie. It’s as simple as that. I never understand why people would rather argue against things in movies that they have no power to change when the best thing they could possibly do to prove their point is to just not pay money to see it.

                “Well, in that case I´m quite convinced that being White is definitory for Johnny Storm. He is this superficial archaetype of Young w.a.s.p that doesn´t fit with a black guy. As somebody said, Johnny Storm is an example of republican superhero.”

                Because young black men can’t be hot headed, or a ladies man, or a rebel, or republican?? Come on, you can do better than that.

  20. who said he would appear black in the movie, he can still be a white human torch

  21. like how Robert downey jr was black in tropic thunder

  22. Superman can’t fly, Batman ain’t real, the Human Torch don’t really set himself on fire and fly around the room, so he can look like whatever they want him to look like.’ You just have to allow yourself to see him that way. And if you can’t do that, that says something about you

    easy to say let me remake shaft with a white guy lets see how many complaints we get that shaft cant be white.i think mbj is a great actor but why cant he be blade luke cage black panther or any of the hundreds of other black superheroes.what if black panther is a white guy.yes no matter how you spin it.it sounds racist myself i do not mean it to sound that way.
    these comics have been around for over 60 years no need to change races on any of them specialy when the guy your makin black has a white sister.oh ya he was adopted.that said sadly mbj is the best casting call of the 4 guy playin reed looks like a teenager lol meh oh well as mbj himself said i will still go see it then make a judgement on it

    • I’d be interested in seeing the fan reaction to Shaft being remade with a white actor. I wouldn’t like to see that, because it wouldn’t be Shaft anymore. All I have to say to Shaft as a white guy? Shut yo’ mouth! :) I think if they’re going to keep doing inane reboots, they should at least stick to the source material. Rebooting a story with new plots is one thing, but outright changing a character until no one recognizes them anymore is wrong. Maybe we should redo Gone with the Wind, and cast Gerard Butler as Scarlett, cause yeah, reboot. :P

  23. The main issue is that i dont know if they chose to do this, race swap because mbj was so much better than the others or if they just decideded to do it for the hell of it.

    i mean really would main stream care if they picked another white guy? No i think this is a stunt to try to gether veiwers, will they care, no. Will it work tht remains to be seen.

    I wont see it but that is because i really dont care for the f4, but the fact i made a remark and was seen as racist is not cool.

    • Trank and Jordan worked together on Chronicle. So prior experience and friendship played a part. Aside from that who knows.

    • I’m not even sure anyone else was in the running for the role, so I don’t see how they could determine if he was the right person for the role or not. I know the girl who is playing Sue won a national audition, but I believe Jordan was just given the role.

      I don’t even think this is a stunt, I think this is a simple case of them working together before and Jordan just happens to be black. I think it boils down to one simple truth for me. He was given the role by a friend and even if he had been white, he would have still been given the role by Trank.

  24. I don’t care for the attitude ‘they’re going to see it anyway.’ No, we’re not. At least I’m not, because I had no need for this to be rebooted. I liked the original cast, and I’m really sick of seeing reboots. I’ve nothing against the people in this cast, but I would have preferred that they stick to the source material. I still remember the large number of F4 fans freaking out that ‘Susie has blue eyes now brown’ in the original casting…now they outright change the race of a member, and that’s cool? Bit of a double standard there. I just wish Hollywood would come out with something new and different, instead of these reboots. I’ve had enough of them tbh.

  25. What regular moviegoers, the Director and the people at Fox don’t understand is that the F4 are part of the cultural zeitgeist. Not only in the USA but many countries around the world and that’s what makes fans angry.

    As many have mentioned, if they want to take a different path, then invent a movie with new characters different backgrounds, different names but don’t use established characters and say you have reinvented the wheel. That’s just pretentious and foolish.

  26. So if the female Doctor Doom rumors turn out to be true will anyone who complains be sexist?

  27. I DON’T KNOW WHAT WE’RE YELLING ABOUT!!!

  28. They could stick to the source material, why rush to change a character’s skin color? Michael B Jordan could of been better off playing a black Spider-Man instead since Spider-Man is a lone hero & not part of a group. Another thing is the cast looks too young looking.

    I’m another person who’s gonna pass on this reboot.

    • Not an option for Fox.

  29. I love comic books, they can distract a person from the nasty, violent and unjust aspects of the world we live in.
    They can also address, to an extent, those same real world issues and often do.
    In order to embrace comic books, the characters and fantastical themes, heroes and villains that are larger then life, takes imagination and to be frank an open mind.

    Those of us who do love comic books and the like are, I think, demonstrating an open mind (to an extent) by default. Super men and women with amazing powers, different worlds ect, we eat this stuff up no matter how outlandish.

    So with that in mind, to insinuate or brand a comic book fan as somehow racist/prejudiced because they want an actor in an upcoming (adaptation, lets be honest here) movie to look like said character is quite unfair. I can’t help wondering how many of those who have posted here because they disagree with this casting are also frothing at the mouth for a Black Panther movie (at last) because they are comic book fans who are passionate.

    I’m not against changing races of characters per say, I would just prefer to have more ethnically diverse characters in their own right, a BP movie, a new Spawn, more or new Blade for me personally.

    With that said, this is an adaptation, as others have pointed out, there are always going to be certain choices that bug some of us. (at the very least, I’m looking at you Peter Jackson; there were no Elves at Helms Deep! ; )

    I wish Michael B. Jordan the best of luck though, hope he knocks it out the park but more then anything, I hope we finally get to see some beloved characters that have been missed/neglected so far.