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Andy said,
February 18th, 2008 

Well this is definitely one film I am going to avoid like the plague…..

I had to make a comment, the whole 0 comments was getting to me. LOL.

steve adams said,
February 18th, 2008 

Nice too see pixars version of Short Circut.
^
And like ALL pixar films I coundnt care less about this.

February 18th, 2008 
Gah! Why are you guys ragging on a Pixar movie. I love that company… all they’ve ever put out is quality.

I’m really looking forward to Wall-E.

Vic

steve adams said,
February 18th, 2008 

Sorry Vic, I’ve allways hated Pixar. And disney as well.
I don’t support those all CGI adult/kid films they continually pass out every year.

I think it was Shriek that really distanced me from any Pixar product.
I just couldn’t believe Shreak was popular…
(I misspelled shreik and I don’t even care).

Like Andy I avoid Pixar like the Bird-flu !!!

Liz said,
February 18th, 2008 

Shrek. Shrek. It’s really not that hard to spell. More importantly, it was made by Dreamworks, not Pixar.

Anyway, let’s go back to focusing on the adorable robot. And if you don’t have anything nice to say, etc.

steve adams said,
February 18th, 2008 

You say shrek I say shriek….
^
Sorry “dreamworks” right…. I tend to lump all those CGI animated films together.
^
I bet c3po would disagree…on the cuteness factor.

February 18th, 2008 

Good LORD.

What is with all the Pixar hate here? Is this some sort of backlash thing? Like, once a company starts making mega-bucks they all of a sudden turn into the bad guys? I know that every person has their own opinion and all but how can people hate Pixar and their movies? Sure…not all of their movies are perfect (*cough*Cars*cough*) but each of their projects shows a love for both the medium of cinema and animation…I mean, how could people not watch Ratatouille and be in utter awe at the quality of animation in that film?

Pixar are a bloody shining light in the Western animation industry right now and have been for quite some time.

Sorry to rant like this but I bloody hate to see Pixar getting lumped in with a lot of the crappier, money-driven animation studios out there.

Vic said,
February 18th, 2008 
SNR,

I agree. Pixar is light years away from Dreamworks stuff. IMO they set the bar, quite often not only for CGI animation but just for movies, period.

Vic

February 18th, 2008 

Steve,

First of all, aside from a passing resemblance to Johnny five, the stories couldn’t be more different.

Secondly, it must be asked if you’ve ever even watched a Pixar film. They are, generally speaking, head and shoulders above all other CGI animation studios currently in operation and don’t deserve to be “lumped” in with the rest. I find it hard to believe that anyone could walk away from either of the Toy Story movies(or any of their other films) in anything but varying degrees of a state of joy.

Does anybody here have any real substantial complaints against Pixar films or is it just a bias without a reason? If there are legitimate complaints to be had, let’s hear them.

steve adams said,
February 18th, 2008 

Sorry SunNightRaider just having an opinion…
^
I fully realise I’m outnumbered.

Ed said,
February 18th, 2008 

I’m with you Sun, I must be missing some dirty thing Pixar did or something. With exception to Cars (which must be a southerner’s thing), Pixar has made incredible movies.

Wall-E seems like quite a departure for Pixar though, I’d be rather interested to see how they can make an intelligent movie out of it. I’ve often had this same thought for every new Pixar movie, and am always surprised and delighted!

TheMantis said,
February 18th, 2008 

How can you rip Pixar movies? They’re all great and this one looks like the best one yet (animation-wise at least)

“Nice too see pixars version of Short Circut.”

That made me laugh. Christ, it’s “short circuit” because it’s about a robot? You do hate life don’t you?

steve adams said,
February 18th, 2008 

Sorry Mantis, I have my reasons for not liking Pixar and CGI films in general…
^
And I don’t care to explain them to you…

February 18th, 2008 

Steve,

By bringing it up, you beg the question. You must have known how wildly people love these movies (especially Vic who has made no secret of it) and that people would ask you to at least give us some explanation. This is a movie discussion site, and you’ve just landed us in quite a hornets nest. You have to expect people will ask.

steve adams said,
February 18th, 2008 

Ah so because you all love Pixar you think that influences me?
(Honestly I’m into Sci-fi and not G-rated family films).
^
Jerseycajun, I have relatives that were put out on the street by disney when the CGI craze took over hollywood years ago.
Alot of VERY talented cartoonists were fired and locked out of there offices without any warning, sympathy or royalties.

Disney also found ways for them not to get there full benifits as well as the couldn’t take any animation work for 1 year after they were let go.

Some of these artists created very popular characters that today still make disney billions of cash worldwide.

Meanwhile these aging artists/creators are,(if there lucky) living in apartment buildings. (If there lucky, lucky being a very relative term).
Medi-care I guess is part of that luck too.
The rest of them are dead…
^
Have I seen any of these films? No I havnt and no I won’t. I guess I’m truly biased not to mention not a fan (at all) of ALL CGI films. NEVER WILL BE….

I realise disney owns parts of other production companies that yes I like their work, but when it comes to CGI “animation” and disney those two things bring up deep anger in me.

Sorry I should have just never posted on this thread in the first place but I liked Andys post so I thought I would add another.

February 18th, 2008 

Steve,

I’m truly very sorry to hear about your family, but the way things are being run at Disney have changed since their acquisition of Pixar. The people who were responsible for axing 2-D animation are no longer running things. John Lasseter has been put in charge of Disney Animation and creative development of the theme parks. One of his first decisions? Re-instating the 2D animation department. Bob Iger has replaced Eisner as CEO and he runs things very differently (in other words, he actually lets the artists be artists and stays away from meddling with them).

I realize that this news doesn’t help your family members, but the people responsible for what happened to them are either no longer in charge, or no longer have any association with the company.

I’ll also be the first to cry out how incredibly moronic Eisner and his team were when they axed their traditional animation department. It was typical Hollywood type thinking - CGI was never meant to replace 2-d, but bean counters don’t know crap when it comes to what makes a good movie, and of course they pinned success on the wrong attribute (CGI) instead of the real secret ingredient (good stories). It vexed the people at Pixar too, most of them having been trained in classical 2-d animation and still greatly admired the medium.

John Lasseter (is beginning to steer the ship aright again and has brought back Disney 2-d animation. Their first re-entry into the medium will be “The Princess and the Frog” to be released before too long.

Disney fell from grace because it was being run by idiots. Disney will, if they continue on their current track, recover their reputation because its being run by people who know their roles and play them right.

steve adams said,
February 18th, 2008 

esiner = EVIL.

February 18th, 2008 

Indeed. If he wasn’t replaced, he would have run Disney animation completely into the ground, what with farming out abominable Direct-To-Video sequels to their better films to foreign animation departments.

February 18th, 2008 

Also Steve, I believe Pixar inserted a subtle jab at Eisner in “Ratatouille”, whose story revolves around a famous restaurant whose head chef has died (think Walt), and is replaced with his sous chef (Eisner) - a tyrant who would rather churn out frozen, pre-process imitations of the former chef’s recipes (amongst other abominations)for worldwide distribution than continue concentrating on simply making great food for their restaurant. It’s up to an unlikely Rat (Think Lasseter, or Brad Bird) to re-invigorate the standards of the restaurant and bring back its former glory.

steve adams said,
February 18th, 2008 

I don’t want to sound like I’m blaming anyone Jerseycajun…
^
I felt like you and others wouldn’t be happy with my reason that I just don’t like CGI animation. So I was trying to put a little perspective into my opinion.
^
Ratattoui isn’t my kind of film nether is incredibles or wall e. And shrek sucks on so many levels too me that I’m just going to shut up now.

Andy said,
February 18th, 2008 

OK, first of all I don’t want to get lumped in with the haters. I just think that THIS particular film looks really bad. I don’t know what it is about it, but it’s rubbed me the wrong way. I do like some of Pixar’s stuff-namely the Toy Story movies and Monsters, Inc. I am a HUGE Shrek fan also; I think the original Shrek was one of the freshest movie ideas in a long time with absolutely perfect voice casting.

Steve, sorry about your family. I have never been a big Disney fan. I was always a Warner Bros. kinda guy. Give me Bugs and Daffy over Mickey and Goofy any day. Actually, how cool would it be to see a viral cartoon showing WB characters kicking the snot out of Disney characters!!!

February 18th, 2008 
Andy,

I have a feeling that the teasers we’ve been shown so far are completely unrepresentative of the plot of the film. I’m betting what we’ve seen takes place in maybe the first 15 minutes and then the whole thing goes off in an utterly different direction.

Vic

February 18th, 2008 

It’s not so much about being happy with your reason, I just was curious as to what the reason was that would cause such an automatic response.

As it is, I can certainly understand your negative association with the format and with Disney.

Andy said,
February 18th, 2008 

I don’t know, Vic. The trailers for Cars looked really dumb and I never even bothered watching it. (Nor will I). Maybe it’s the uncanny resemblence to the Short Circuit robot, but it just really doesn’t do anything to make me want to see the movie.

Jim Carey said,
February 18th, 2008 

Is that an ELO (Electric Light Orchestra) flying saucer/logo on the wall next to Short Circuit?

February 18th, 2008 

Andy,

Most of Pixar’s trailers are relatively underwhelming compared to the final product, with the possible exception of “The Incredibles”, but there’s no denying the end result, at least if one is to take the combined effect on audiences and critics into account. Certainly those things have just as much an impact on whether or not I end up seeing a film as the trailer itself (indeed poor word of mouth and critical reception have negated the positive buzz of many an awesomely produced trailer in my experience - and the opposite has also occurred).

There are several considerations that one probably should use in wisely picking out a film to watch, and the trailer is but one.

Andy said,
February 18th, 2008 

Jersey,

Usually if the critics LOVE it, then it’s a boring, piece of garbage. I remember that Adam Sandler’s remake of Mr. Deeds got lambasted by all the “critics” and I laughed so hard throughout that whole movie I thought I was going to need oxygen. I DON’T just go by trailers, but they DO form a first impression of a film. And you only get to make ONE first impression. If the trailer blows it, then I probably won’t see it.

February 18th, 2008 

Andy,

Have you enjoyed any Pixar films? If yes, what did you think of them?

February 18th, 2008 

Okay, dumb question. What I meant to say was:

Have you seen many Pixar films, and if so, what was your impression of the final result?

Andy said,
February 18th, 2008 

Jersey,

Yes, I’ve seen Pixar films. Toy Story, Monsters Inc, The Incredibles and Robots. I really like the first 3 and I didn’t care that much for Robots. I enjoy the animation and the stories are very well. Like I said in a previous post, I really loved Shrek (Dreamworks, I know), so I am NOT against animated films. THe previews for Cars looked really dumb, and the bits and pieces I have seen in stores confirmed it, IMO. Maybe you need to be a race fan (of which I am NOT) to understand it? Wall-E has te Cars vibe to it, so I will be avoiding this one.

February 18th, 2008 

Robots was a Blue Sky production. The same folks who made the Ice Age films, I believe.

Pixar’s films (released) are: Toy Story, A Bug’s Life, Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc., Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Cars, and Ratatouille.

In any case, I’ve always enjoyed the final result of their films orders of magnitude over and above what the trailer indicates (which is usually kept pretty vague with Pixar). I was skeptical about Cars and Ratatouille (even The Incredibles trailer made it seem like a wacky superhero comedy - when it turned out to be a rather intelligent superhero comedy/drama/adventure).

I’m not a fan of Nascar, but I still enjoyed Cars. It wasn’t the peak of their work, but even the least of Pixar’s films means a fun time at the movies, and every time I think they’re about ready to jump the shark when I hear of their next project, the more I’m surprised at how they actually pull it off when I see it.

Vic said,
February 19th, 2008 
Usually if the critics LOVE it, then it’s a boring, piece of garbage.

Present company excluded, I’m sure. ;-)
For the record, I (and many others) do think that “Cars” was the weakest of Pixar’s films. And no, “Robots” was NOT a Pixar movie.

Vic

Andy said,
February 19th, 2008 

I don’t know, Vic…you DID like “American Gangster” and that was a steaming pile of dung. :P
I think Pixar does an amazing job with their animation and probably spawned the whole CGI animation craze that is going on. OF the 8 movies that JC listed, I have seen 4 of them and always was impressed by the quality of the film. I did think Bug’s Life was pretty lame, though. I don’t know, I think they’ve started REALLY going for the little kid audience, lately, and the image of Wall-E seems to show that. I think I enjoyed the Shrek movies so much because there is SO much in those films that an adult would only understand, but yet it’s still suitable for kids.

February 19th, 2008 

Andy,

Pixar’s work seems to be trying to become more mature as time has passed. Ratatouille offered many points of interest only an adult would appreciate - such as the nature of art criticism and its relationship with the artist as well as delving into why its important to strive for quality and excellence in creativity. It’s about professional chefs and cooking, which isn’t exactly an automatic draw for kids. It was heavy on dialog, which could bore the ADD set.

The thing about nearly all Pixar films is that there’s a lot more depth to them than your typical animated feature - and depth appeals to adults. This is why I can’t, despite the cute robots in Wall-E - say it’s going to ‘aimed at the kids’. There will be things I’m sure the kids will be drawn to, but the depth of these films is what makes it matter to the adult audience.

Vic said,
February 19th, 2008 
Andy, while I found the first Shrek funny, I thought they were too heavy-handed with the innuendo in the second one.

One thing that impresses me about Pixar’s films is that they manage to be witty and funny for adults without resorting to sex jokes. I don’t care if they “go over kids’ heads,” that has no place in a movie aimed at kids in the first place.

Vic

Andy said,
February 19th, 2008 

I guess we’re all going to have to agree to disagree. I prefer the Shrek films to ANY of the Pixar films, but to each their own!!

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