‘Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.’ Producer Talks ‘Captain America 2′ Tie-In & Coulson’s Secret

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Agents of SHIELD Captain America Winter Soldier Tie In Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Producer Talks Captain America 2 Tie In & Coulsons Secret

As Marvel’s TV spinoff experiment, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. continues its uphill battle to strike ratings gold, the creative minds behind the show are in the midst of exploring and executing new ideas that will hopefully grab fan attention. This week brought us the much-hyped tie-in with the box office-topping Thor: The Dark World - read our review of that event HERE  - while also spoon-feeding us yet another breadcrumb of mystery surrounding Agent Coulson’s resurrection.

As it happens, both subjects (movie tie-ins and Coulson’s resurrection) were recently discussed by executive producer Jed Whedon (as in, Joss’s brother), whose statements pretty much encompass the ends of the proverbial “good news, bad news” spectrum.

First, the bad news: Jed pretty much confirms a growing fear amongst the show’s viewership: when we finally DO get the answer about how Coulson is alive, it’s pretty much going to be one of the theories the Internet has been guessing at since before the show’s premiere.

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In a statement to TV Guide:

“We know that there’s going to be a lot of theories and there’s no chance that whatever we reveal won’t, at some point, be written on the internet,” Whedon says. “We’re just trying to come up with ways to make it surprising or make it not how they expected it to unravel. We know what it is, but we know that no one else does yet.”

While it’s admirable that the showrunners are working hard to at least make the reveal of Coulson’s return an entertaining journey for fans (even if the reveal itself isn’t all that shocking), the fact remains that this is a mystery that has been needlessly drawn out. How Coulson reacts to his new circumstances and what new doors it opens for the character are what (I believe I can say) fans want to see; delaying that evolution comes at the expense of the show and its capabilities. And when the moment of the reveal finally comes, it holds more potential to disappoint than to satisfy. Not what this show needs, at this point.

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  1. I read that quote *completely* differently. Because there have been so many wild and outlandish and crazy theories about Coulson’s survival posted ever since Avengers, even, it’s probably impossible to to make the truth plausible *and* something that absolutely *nobody* has guessed, that’s just a fact of life.

    But the “We know what it is, but we know that no one else does yet.” makes me think that whatever it is they *did* come up with is enough of a twist that it’s not exactly any of the common answers.

    • +1 That’s what I got out of reading it too.

    • I honestly think (and hope) that Whedon is trolling everyone with the constant hints at Coulson being some android/cyborg/lmd.

      Ends up he died for a few minutes, was brought back with normal medical procedures, and was literally in Tahiti for recovery.

      THAT would be something no one would be expecting. I think it would be hilarious if done right, and is right up my kind of batsh#t crazy alley.

      • Actually that’s what I’m getting from this. I think Agents of Shield is just showing Agent Coulson doubting himself for the first time since before The Avengers he was still holding his own against Shield’s enemies,

        Coulson was stabbed once by Loki and that took him out of the entire battle, that does sound like the kind of thing that’d have you rethinking you’re life when you’re job is so insanely hard that you have to hide behind someone else for help especially if you’re a Shield agent who like Agent Coulson is not used to taking a back seat.

      • I’m still on the thought that Tahiti is Asgard?

    • I could see the resurrection issue be resolved when they tie it in to be an introduction to Dr. Strange. In the meantime, if Marvel wants to up the ante a little and help bolster AOS, why not use it as a springboard to introduce Moon Knight?

  2. I just hope it’s entertaining. One of my biggest complaints about the show is that – in some episodes – it simply hasn’t been entertaining, which I could forgive if it was a poor story, but it’s poor character interaction. The way they speak to each other and do things just seems so predictable and doesn’t work for me a lot of the time.

    They’ve hit it right a few times, so I KNOW they have potential, I’m just waiting to see it be a more common thing.

    • That’s one of my greatest complaints with the show. The dialog is so cookie cutter and so predictable that it belays any attempt to immerse yourself into the story. It’s hard to be entertained when you spend so much time rolling your eyes. Also, and i know i’ll get s*** for this because it’s a show about superheroes and you have to suspend a certain amount of belief, but it’s then none supernatural events that make it impossible to believe. Like capturing the equivalent of a member of Anonymous, putting them in a room with the equivalent of a Navy Seal, and giving him truth serum to gain her trust? WTF are you talking about, there is no version of reality that, that would happen in! Or getting a slap on the wrist after getting caught hacking one of the most secret organizations in the federal government. It’s also perfectly fine that Simmons was allowed to try and hack one of there main facilities and attack one of her superiors with a stun gun. Their only action, mention it in passing! I want to like this show so much, but they desperately need to make it more like Heroes and less like No Ordinary Family.

    • I so agree that its not always entertaining for sure. I found myself continuing to watch it only for the fact that its Marvel. I’m happy to say though, that I’ve personally found the last 3 or 4 episodes to be a step up and actually worth watching. They made the characters mean something to me finally I think is what it is. I guess its just one of those shows that has to develop.

  3. I really really want to like this show. Hope it will get better

  4. A reorg would be a phenomenal tool. It’s like the show is trying to define itself without stepping on any toes, so finding a way to actually spin it off instead of hiding under marvel’s skirts, it could truly start blazing some new ground.

  5. Coulson is now Vision (or atleast AoS’s version of Robocop – only he hasn’t been informed yet of it!)… that’s my theory and I’m sticking with it.

  6. The reveal just won’t live up to expectations.

    Some of us gave up on this horribly written and acted show several episodes back and even then, the Coulson tease was just too drawn out. I love long, drawn out plots but this tease has honestly been badly written and will lead to the season finale showing people what happened to him, complaints will be posted online that it didn’t live up to expectation and it’ll be yet another wasted opportunity.

    At this point, cameos, reveals and restructuring the team or the way the show is written won’t be bringing me back, they already lost me.

  7. The show is so 1990′s it’s sad. There’s no excuse for the poor cinematography, the poor writing, and the poor directing. It’s said that this show doesn’t have the type of money other shows have. That may or may not be true but it’s no excuse for producing such cheesy quality. It’s a shame that those who “enjoy” the show won’t admit that the quality is well below what it should be. An example, I love “Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure” but I don’t pretend that it’s high quality entertainment. It’s stupid and it fulfills my love of stupid comedy. AoS may be liked by the minority but the reason it’s not LOVED by the majority is because it’s just plain bad. It’s half-way into the season and the premise of a week-to-week, forced conflict/resolution, so-simple-my-5-year-old-gets-it storylines are just old and worn out. We’ve seen this kind of bad TV for 35 years. There is nothing new here at all. NOTHING. If not for the MCU ties, this series wouldn’t have made it past the initial episodes. The only thing keeping people like me watching is because I devour the MCU and don’t want to miss anything, no matter how bad. However, I can walk away by the end of the season if they don’t right the ship and change it up. I’m getting tired of this show wasting my time. The bad will eventually outweigh my appetite for all things Marvel.

    • I am sure you spend your time solving the deep mysteries of the universe.

      • Yes. Yes I do. I’ve yet to solve the mystery of why certain people always seem to reply to my posts. Some things will have to remain unknown.

        • Dang you ScreenRant moderators!!!! “Certain People”??? grrr!

      • lol, man bearly half way through the first season and people have written the show off, this is why s*** gets canceled.

        it needs time to develope!

        • By mid-season Breaking Bad was fantastic. By mid-season The Walking Dead was pretty good. While I agree, given time, it could become better, as with some shows like Parks and Rec or Chuck, but until then people are going to stop watching to try and get that message across.

          • Yeah but breaking bad was a contained story and did not have peoples expectations riding on it, also walking dead really did not hit its stride till season 3.

            I’m not saying shield is great but without support it will not get the time to be so…have seen it to many times feel like I’m going to have to enjoy shield whilst it lasts.

            Not disagreeing with anyone but shows die fast now a days.

        • Early write-offs were in part what killed The Event, which was one of the better shows in recent years with more potential than it was given credit for (OK, there were a few other places it could have been improved, but it was still a great show and deserved a second season).

    • Not entertaining in the least.

      They are trying to make it a very serious drama where we care about these very canned “mysteries” and “shady pasts” but every character on the show is also a goofy, wise cracking tony stark-mini. It isn’t working, at all. Everything is too clean, nothing looks or seems real. Real people don’t talk or interact like that. This isn’t the SHIELD we saw in the movies. If this team was in a show about a group of people trying to be their own poor man’s SHIELD, like the lone gunmen from x-files, it would make sense and be inherently funny. But right now I am laughing at them.

      They need to either get serious and give us strong characters, strong acting and stories that have real emotional impact, or just drop the serious altogether and go full goofball in the vein of something like “Chuck”

      “SHIELD’s best of the best first line of defense (and intro with benny hill music)”

    • Mr. Law, you got it.

  8. I would actually like Coulson to be Vision, bring him in for Avengers 3 and we’d have Scarlet Witch and Vision side-by-side fighting Thanos together. Win win.

  9. I know what brought Coulson back: a random plot device that doesn’t really matter. ;)

  10. I think the show though not perfect in the least has gotten better and I like the Coulson mystery, frankly if it wasn’t the Mcu would be watching is a redundant question since most of us wouldn’t be watching, like everything these days people are quick to judge and not patient enough to let the show develop, everyone forgets Star trek was cancel, and was made popular through reruns the that even the next generation was nearly cancelled after the first season, we should give the show it’s chance to develop I am sick of everything being zombies, criminals with righteous indignation, I’ll stick with the show!

    • What about the idea that a show should be good enough to hook you within the first few episodes? Look at shows like Breaking Bad, The Wire, The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, Orange is the New Black, Homeland, House of Cards, Sherlock, Dexter, Sons of Anarchy, just to name a few. These shows GRAB audiences from the beginning and do not let go.

      An example of bad directing: Music throughout the entire show. There is never a moment without music. Instead of the music punctuating an emotion and taking the audience places, it’s more like Muzak in an elevator, background noise. It’s just a small example but it’s indicative of the larger problems. None of the shows above do this with their music. It’s a carefully chosen part of the overall design of the show. This is amateur hour on display and I’d love to see people who like the show just admit that it’s not a quality show even if you enjoy it.

      • Of all the shows above. Name one that is or was on any of the networks?

        There you will find your answer.

        • Lost was an excellent show that felt like younwerevwatching a movie with the score and the directing and the special effects. I have not watched AoS but as a former ABC show Lost was the epitome of a great network production

      • Do you realize that all the shows you listed are on cable and half of them would be rated soft porn if put on the regular stations.

        There’s only so much you can do when the censor board is looking over your shoulder.
        I say give it some time, and enjoy the little things on the way. That’s how Buffy got its fan base.

  11. i’m tired of being strung along about Coulson…it’s like eating around something nasty just to get to the sweet part

  12. Saying Thor, talking about Thor, mentioning how dreamy Thor is…is not a tie-in to the movie…
    Example…if nobody has ever saw any of the Marvel movie sand watches Agents of Shield, the Thor references are hollow…

    Since Thor has never appeared on the show, then Thor should not be constantly referenced…

    This is what’s wrong with the show..they just want to name drop all the time with no pay off….

    • +1

      This episode was sold as a tie in to Thor 2 because the network are panicking over the poor ratings. It’s a bad sign for the show when they need to rely on constant references to something else.

  13. Im really hope the reasoning of coulsons survival will be surprising but probably the only thing that would be surprising is what theroy was right.

  14. I like the show, it’s not amazing but it’s something interesting to watch on Tuesday nights. The one major complaint I have with the story is the fact that in EVERY EPISODE they beat over our heads the whole ‘I died and came back to life and know I’m somewhat traumatized’ thing. It’s really annoying by this point.

  15. Alternate reveal. Coulson is revealed to be a robot. Then vision arrives and kills Coulson again. Vision then says “DID I DO THAT?” with canned audience laughter and a spotlight fade out.

    This show might be great in 5 years. It’s horrible now, as much as I wish it wasn’t. I would be much happier if they would just go crazy and have fun and not try to make it such a family friendly, prime time yet dark and broody (but only enough for the kids to be okay with it), monster of the week snooze fest.

    And Coulson is NOT Vision. And I wish people would stop acting like that is their original theory. That bandwagon has been moving full speed since people left the midnight premiere of The Avengers.

  16. Everyone stop griping.
    I like AOS.
    That’s all that matters in the selfish Goldilocks universe.
    (Who just said, “That’s a fantasy universe?!”)

  17. Did Ward banged May?

    • +1

  18. It’s not like it’s been dragging out for 2 seasons and everyone is just saying “hurry up.” The show has only been on 8 episodes. There needs to be some sort of mystery. If had been already been revealed the complaint would be that it was revealed too soon. I agree with most that the show has alot of problems but Coulson’s “secret” isn’t one of them. Hey, let’s just put out the whole season on wikipedia before it airs so there are no more mysteries.

  19. Best scenario as to Coulson’s revival?

    Fury authorized that Coulson be given a transfusion of blood from Capt. America. Or more specifically, an experimental super soldier serum prototype derived from Captain America’s blood.

    Shield most certainly took samples of the blood while Cap was unconscious after being found in the arctic. Some of those samples were then probably used to work out a new version of the super soldier serum and samples of that prototype were likely stored on the helicarrier. This prototype Soldier serum helped Coulson be resuscitated and to heal but it also changed him in other more subtle ways.

    ~ it increased his reflexes as seen in the pilot episode where he easily dodges a car door that is hurtling at him.

    ~ it increased his endurance which is why he had a hard time wearing himself out on the treadmill.

    ~ it enhanced his personality. In Captain America, Erskine states that the serum will magnify personality characteristics which are already already present in the individual. This explains the personality differences that people who knew Coulson prior to his death keep mentioning after they meet him post resurrection. Ie. a “good” man has become a “better” man.

    ~ it does not seem to have worked perfectly as Coulson did not gain the perfect physique or enhanced strength that Steve Rogers evidences.

    Fury then sent Coulson somewhere to be monitored during his recovery but later had the memories of the tests that they performed on him overwritten with this “Tahiti is a magical place” cover story.

    • I like this theory.

      • Me too

  20. Coulson is a prototype for Ultron, is my guess. Considering that they’re probably making Tony Stark create Ultron, I see this as his first attempt, to bring back his sidekick Coulson. This makes SHIELD a direct prequel to Avengers 2…

  21. My options are (the one that sound good to me) are…
    #1 Coulson is Asgardian
    #2 Coulson is Vision?….
    Also Iron Man will take on the Extremis(perfected version)

  22. Good lord, the tone of these articles is awful. Every week it feels like the same thing is being said, “I don’t like this show, it’s not what I want or am looking for or expected and I can’t understand that anyone would think otherwise.” After hearing pretty much the exact same review every week it has me coming to the site less and less…

  23. If Coulson actually turns out to be Vision – then I think that is worth watching this show for…watching a new Marvel superhero being born via TV. Even if we all know that’s what’s coming…who cares…it’s like knowing Banner’s going to turn into The Hulk when he’s upset…and it’s brilliant…everytime !
    Enjoy.

  24. Another theory is that they got Doctor Strange to bring him back and tie in with that upcoming film.

    Didn’t one of the comic book opponents of shield have that ability too? a possibility.

  25. …I still can’t believe why people complaining about this show, of course it has its flaws, but they are treating with so many resources yet, to name a few, new characters in a CB universe vast enough, a spy institution that hasn’t been all quite told in the comics, they have to write the show to fit in a much larger & going more complicated MCU, plus, the investment of Marvel on this…I just say it’s not easy until now, in some way, is virgin territory so far; you can’t compare it with Arrow, ’cause it’s contained in its own universe, just now, they’re expanding with The Flash, but even so, it’s just that. Remember Smallville, Buffy, Arrow, even Star Trek, those shows weren’t that awesome in their first seasons, so, give it a rest, for what matters, AoS have already one season, we don’t know what comes next…Also, is TV, is an entirely different way to write about a show nowadays…