‘Agents of SHIELD’ as ‘Firefly 2.0′ – Why It Isn’t Working

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It remains one of the great tragedies of nerd culture to this day, and as Joss Whedon’s fame and fortune guiding Marvel’s movie universe continues, and his talent at both writing and directing are validated time and again, the cancelling of Firefly grows even more unfortunate. The director’s greatest regret – the chance to tell a sci-fi story of a ship’s crew becoming a family was lost – but luckily, Whedon’s story didn’t end there.

Despite promising to never attempt a story with so many central characters, Whedon found success with The Avengers, and parlayed that into a lengthy studio deal guaranteeing him – no surprise – a TV series focused on yet another ensemble cast, flying through the skies, and growing into a tight-knit unit along the way. Given his past success with that same formula, we have to ask: why isn’t Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. working?

First off, it goes without saying that there are plenty of people credited with every Whedon project, most notably showrunners Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen. After joining forces with Whedon on Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog, the pair held the reins for the also-doomed sci-fi drama Dollhouse, and now sit at the wheel of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. – a show which has progressed from an uneven but fair pilot to… well, five episodes in we’re still not quite sure what’s got us tuning in anymore.

We’re not making the case that Firefly is the greatest scripted drama/comedy ever to appear on television, but with a run of just 14 episodes, the show created a more vocal fan base than any Whedon series to date (even louder than Buffy the Vampire Slayer). Given that, many assumed that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. would give Whedon a second kick at the can, and the freedom to tell the kinds of stories his fans lamented being robbed of in the first place.

Here’s why it isn’t turning out to be that simple.

The Story

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From a pure structure/premise standpoint, Firefly represents a fairly foolproof approach to a serialized story: a group of differing characters are placed against a shadowy organization seeking to track and capture them, with a need to survive week-to-week (both from starvation and additional enemies) the central conflict. The looming enemy provides a season(s)-long threat, ‘monsters-of-the-week’ bring action where needed, and the range of characters each get episodes of their own in which to shine, and explore their backstory.

Take a look at most long-running shows, and you’re likely to find a variant of the above description. Which is largely why when details of AoS began to arrive – an ensemble cast of experts, agents and amateurs tracking down rogue superhumans – it seemed Whedon’s camp was going to be sticking to their tried-and-true formula. But almost half a dozen episodes in, that is not what viewers are getting.

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With Firefly, the main conflicts are fairly easy to describe: a corrupt or at least overbearing ‘Alliance’ hunts down the main cast, all of whom possess at least some morally-fueled reason to keep running. In a future where millions live hand-to-mouth, the crew of the Serenity had found their home aboard a single spaceship, and whether the conflict was generated by an Alliance agent or simple backwoods bandits, their home was on the line at every turn.

With Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. on the other hand, there is no central villain. At least, not one that’s been slightly alluded to by anything more than random story threads. Why were these specific team members selected? That’s never explained.  What’s the team’s endgame? Presumably to seek out ‘unregistered gifted’ a.k.a. potential supervillains and turn them to the good side. Again, we’re connecting the dots given miniscule information.

Besides offering a shaky premise for the team’s existence (wouldn’t S.H.I.E.L.D. already have multiple teams doing this exact work?), the lack of a central villain, or personal investment from any of the cast in countering said villain, makes one overarching fact rear its head with every episode: the people on this team don’t want to be here. To make things worse, the only stakes ever raised are their safety – only in danger because they sought out trouble in the first place.

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Whedon, Tancharoen, Firefly and Marvel aside, that’s just a poor foundation for any show that hopes to have viewers invest in either the characters or their mission (if the viewers don’t want to be doing what they’re doing, why should an audience care?).

That’s enough of a premise to support a simple ‘monster-of-the-week’ light comedy that never aspires to anything more than slapstick or Scooby Doo-like mystery-solving, but that’s neither what fans of Whedon or Marvel were hoping for, nor what the writer’s team is known for delivering.


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  1. Too silly. Too cute. Too clean. Not enough actual Marvel stuff.

    That’s why it’s not working.

      • This played like a fan made Thor/Star Wars parody.

      • I laughed out loud three times, so I’m not sure what the problem is.

        • If it’s silly, cute, clean laughter that you seek…

          … then yeah Thor piloting a spaceship with Loki playing Princess Leia to his Han Solo should be right up your alley.


        • The clip alone is reason for me to not see the film.
          Whomever their target audience is, I am not in it.

  2. Yep, not enough Marvel stuff is the main reason this show doesn’t work. People want to see superheros and supervillains. That is why a show like Arrow seems to work… because you want to see who the next DC character is going to be… even if it is a reimagined version of that character.

  3. Complete s**t. It is working fine.

    • I agree. This show has no sense of danger at all for a comic TV show and it’s really not that compelling.

      • Sorry meant to reply to Dr Mindbender.

        Screenrant you guys need to implement an edit button!

    • The fact that this article and threat exist contradict your opinion.

      • *thread. yea, about that edit button? lol

  4. @Andrew: “What does Fitz do when she’s not in the lab? Are she and Simmons friends?” Simmons is the girl. Fitz is the guy.

    I still like the show, but I’m finding it difficult to find anything in this article that I disagree with. They undoubtedly got off to a bad start, and they have a lot to make up for, but I have a feeling the show can reach the “level” of Whedon’s other projects given some more time (okay, maybe not Firefly, but definitely up there with Buffy, Angel or Dollhouse).

    • Haha, fixed (and totally makes Whedon’s point, I guess).

      Agreed. We’re not saying that the show can’t do what previous ensemble shows have, simply pointing out the all the pieces are in place, but not being used the way they could be. A way that would keep people interested who aren’t simply waiting to see a question answered, or just Coulson on screen.

  5. “…well, five episodes in we’re still not quite sure what’s got us tuning in anymore.”

    BUT you´re tuning in. As well as millions of other people. Therefore, it works.

    • I think people are tuning in because it’s Marvel lol. If it weren’t, I wonder what the rating would be.

      • Yeah, it’s a direct spinoff of the 3rd highest grossing film of all time; of course there’s some initial interest. We’ll see how high the ratings end up being after Whedon’s done burning up all of the goodwill that was established by the Marvel Universe films.

        • Yep, it’s ALL Whedon’s fault. You DO know that he only wrote and directed the first episode, right? Beyond that he’s pretty much just the executive producer.

          • Joss Whedon developed the show, establishing its tone, concept and characters and even co-wrote and directed the weak pilot episode. It’s too late for him to distance himself from this steamer.

    • While i obviously can’t speak for the millions of other people tuning in i can speak for myself. At this point i continue to watch for 2 reasons. One, i am a huge Marvel nerd, i have loved all of the movie and had huge hopes for this show. Two, despite being let down every episode, i keep hoping beyond hope that they start to course correct and make the appropriate changes that need to be made to make this a good show. I have a strong feeling that a large amount of people watch this show, rolling their eyes the whole time, wishing it wasn’t so cheesy. Give us more season 1 of Heroes and less No Ordinary Family.

    • That doesn’t prove it’s working. I think it’s mostly coasting on fan high hopes and Whedon Dust. LOST continued to draw viewers at it’s end even though pretty much everybody, ‘ceptin’ some drones, realized it had gone off the rails. HOUSE too.

  6. It feels obviously constrained by the larger MCU. Like everything has to be kept inside the box so as not to tread on “the good stuff” we’ll see in Thor 2, Cap 2, GotG, etc.

    It doesn’t *have* to feel like that, but it does. Everything you mention in the article is totally valid, but the premise seems too limiting: A “crack” team of Shield elites solving not-really-important-to-the-big-picture stuff. They can’t *really* be elite.

    Also, it’s worth mentioning that Coulson has really been demoted here. His previous assignments were with the Avengers for crying out loud. He found Thor. He was there when they were defrosting the capsicle. Now he’s tucked away on this ship chasing brush fires.

    • Probably got demoted because he found Thor, let half his team get there arses handed to them then let him walk off! ha

    • Couldn’t agree more. I’d prefer the writers simply chart their own offshooting course, not try to tiptoe around the main Avengers one.

      • To be fair, the Pilot did establish that the SHIELD powers-that-be seem unsure of what to do with Coulson, having returned from “Tahiti” and all that. Perhaps they don’t want to put him in a position that could lead to “real” problems, but important enough that he can be recycled when needed? The members of this team are two retreads who used to be good, but now largely sidelined with serious issues (May and Coulson), a rookie (Ward), two one-dimensional geeks (Fitzsimmons), and a random pickup (Skye). An elite squad this is not.

        • These are good points.

      • Perhaps if they introduced something like the 10 rings, hydra or even the Kree or Skrull. These are all things worthy of a crack team of *elite* Shield agents. Something like Hydra (or the other enemies listed) is large enough that you could have a crack team of Shield agents working on a *piece* of it for a season or two. Whether or not the piece they’re working on is ever related to the events on the silver screen doesn’t make the show and movies unrelated, it simply makes them complimentary. As they’re doing it, it feels claustrophobic. Worse, it makes the TV version of Shield look rinky dink compared to the Shield we see in the Cap 2 trailer.

  7. I know they dont want to spill the beans on every detail at the start and keep you watching to find all the details… But they are going to die before even a single question is answered, and to be honest, I am not even sure what some of the questions are and not sure I have enough drive for this show to even think a few up.

  8. Here is a typical Whedon series. 1) Oh no there’s something over there 2) lets not explain why its important to go over there and sort it out, lets just do it. 3) Lets hint at a character back story but not go into detail which somehow hinges on the central plot 4) Hey its all sorted now, isn’t that cool, you can forget about the backstory now we’ll never mention that again or explain it any further…. 5) Credits 6) Tease more interesting titbit of a plot we could have covered in the episode but decided not to, just because…. Repeat for 24 episodes with ever diminishing returns.

  9. The show concept is flawed. This is low rent S.H.I.E.L.D.
    S.H.I.E.L.D. is a brand with expectations none of
    which this show is designed to meet.

    • While reading the article, the only thing I can think of his how badass this show could’ve been. It’s a government agency about recruiting superhumans, I mean c’mon. It feels like the only reason they actually created this show is because of the positive reception towards Coulson’s character. I’m not sure Marvel understands the idea of ‘too much of a good thing ends up being a bad thing’.

      • Sorry, that wasn’t supposed to be a direct reply.

      • Marvel seems to think the mere presence of Coulson
        brings the show status and credibility and all they
        succeeding in doing is lowering both for Coulson.

        • Agreed. Coulson adds to the movie with his comedic charm but he’s still mostly one dimensional. It’s a bad idea to build a whole TV show on a character like that and surround him with even more one dimensional characters. It just falls flat. One thing I was hoping for was SHIELD delivering other sides to Coulson but it ultimately failed to do so. I don’t even think the writers wanted to add anything to the Coulson’s character.

  10. Stop dumping on this show Screen Rant. It’s one of the better ones out there right now. Better than the soap opera drama that is Arrow.

    • Guess that is what we get if they keep killing off all the shows I actually want to see.

    • Its one of the worst shows on television right now. Honestly, what are you watching if SHIELD is one of the best?

      • No, CSI and NCIS are THE worst shows on television.

  11. I’m a fan of the Marvel movie-verse, but I can’t see myself becoming too interested in its TV-verse because it seems like just a watered down version with a smaller budget and without the awesomeness of the super heroes from the films. I may give it a chance if it gets better though.

    If I judged Breaking Bad solely on the first few episodes I probably wouldn’t have been interested, but I got into it late when many people already sung its praises so I knew it would get better and it definitely did.

    • I disagree with the BB comparison. The pilot of BB had a great story with more than enough meaty stuff to get you hooked on the series and become invested in its characters. The pilot for AoS was kinda all over the place, too many characters, the writing was subpar, it was too hammy for me.

      • The thing with Breaking Bad is that sure it started slow in the first 2 or 3 episodes but it was still an interesting and great story. It felt like it was the beginning and it had something to offer. Whereas SHIELD, it kinda feels like there’s nothing underneath, nothing else to really get from this show.

      • I’m not saying the two shows are the same in their beginnings or have the same problems or whatever. I’m saying that I wasn’t too interested in it when I first started watching it. I kept wondering why everyone thought it was so great (it already had a big fan base by then). It took me getting to almost half way through the first season before I was interested, and until season two to get me to really like it.

        So basically I was just backing up my point that it could get better, but I’ll wait to see how it unfolds before I give it a shot, since at this point it doesn’t interest me a lot.

    • You’ve got to be crazy! I didn’t learn about BB until near the end of season 2. I watched the 1st episode and then caught up in less than a week! That 1st episode was so interesting and compelling I was riveted to the TV until I caught up. I felt none of that with AoS.

  12. The new website is horrible on the ipad. Really slow and unresponsive. Are some of the bugs being worked out?

    Shield. I think it’s ok. Episode 3 being the best so far. It just needs a big fat injection of real marvel stuff. It’s still early doors. It’s a shame I’ve just discovered arrow… because that just makes this show look stupid. Still enjoying it though!

  13. Regarless, I like the show and it can only get better.

    Spoiler Alert: Coulson is a clone. SURPRISE!

  14. No Hulk, nuff said

  15. I disagree, I don’t think S.H.I.E.L.D is bad at all, it just doesn’t live up to our expectations as Whedon fans and/or MCU fans. However, it DOES work for the crowd it is targeting – the show is distributed by Disney/ABC…their intention is to have a show that is family friendly, which it is.

    Whereas Firefly, they were distributed by 20th Century Fox who, most likely, gave Whedon and his team of writers more creative freedom.

    Not not every show that debuts appeals to what we want or gives us what we expect. In the sense of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, it`s a good show for those looking for family friendly, kudos to them, we need to stop complaining. I stopped after 2 episodes.

    • I personally found firefly to be very, very boring. But it has its fans so it must have something

    • It prob had bad ratings in the US. Because noone knew it was even on.
      It didn’t even come to the UK until AFTER it had been cancelled and almost everyone in the UK fell in love with it.

      • Also, those idi*ts at Fox aired the episodes out of order.

    • Yup.

    • Apparently it had enough viewership to have it not be cancelled if it aired today, and most people who watch it end up really liking it, so it worked in that way. Had it been given a chance it would have thrived.

      You won’t see much more loyal fans of a TV show (Star Trek aside), especially when you consider that the fans rallied to have a film made after the show was cancelled, and when the cast got back together at comic con, there was a huge reception that moved the people on stage to tears.

      • Having a Twihard-like fan base doesn’t make something good. Justin Bieber has extremely rabid and intense following but that doesn’t make his music good.

        • So what’s your criteria that a show “worked”? Does it not include the fact that it’s well reviewed by the majority of the people who watch it? That the fan base only grew even after it was cancelled? I’m not going to try to convince you the show was good. If you don’t like it, you don’t like it.

          Good is a very relative thing. You may not like Justin Bieber, but to his fans he’s good.

    • Just think- ten years from now there could be a subculture of hardcore fans dedicated to some brilliant, underrated genre show called ‘Agents of SHIELD’ that everyone who watched loved but was unfairly cancelled after its first season by incompetent network executives.

      • Except everyone who watched doesn’t love it. Hence the continuing decline in ratings, and the majority of viewers agreeing that the show failed to deliver.

  16. It’s spelled “Kaylee”…

  17. Biggest reason its not working: The cast of Firefly, and ultimately Nathan Fillion isn’t in AoS. They turn everything their in into gold.

  18. On AoS…. SHIELD shrunk. In the MMU, SHIELD is a big, global, well funded organization, with a complex command structure. On the TV show it is portrayed as a small team with small goals. Coulson is in command, outside of the brief appearance of Nick Fury, he seems to be able to do whatever he wants, anywhere all over the planet.

    Who gives Coulson his orders? Does Coulson ALWAYS do exactly what his SHIELD bosses (whoever they are) tell him to do?

    I want to know more about the bigger picture….. I don’t want live action Scooby Doo.

    Also…. The music sucks! It sounds like 1980’s crappy cop series theme music most of the time.

    • Ohhhhhhh the muuuuuuusic. That is some baffling score right there.

      • +1

  19. This article right here is why I love Screenrant. Andrew Dyce has written an incisive and expertly drawn expose of comparison and contrast. He has gone far and above the average “fan boy” essay of why one thing is better than another. This article nails the ideas of story, character, and narrative arcs in a way few other entertainment websites do. Well, well done.

  20. It was given a full season order, after three episodes. Who says it’s not working, Screen Rant? Who are they and why do they matter?
    Apparently Screen Rant needed to drum up some more hits for the site, so they wrote this crap article to achieve just that and it worked. What’s next Screen Rant, another DC vs Marvel article? Try writing some real articles instead of “hit grabbers” once in a while, it would be better for all of us.

    • Keeping Up with the Kardashians was renewed for nine seasons.

      • Like it or not Keeping Up With the Kardasians” was renewed because “it works.” Millions LOYALLY watch it. This article was titled “Why It Isn’t Working” when it IS working? In fact the Firefly comparison uses flawed logic considering that the show DIDN’T work whereas shield will ALREADY run longer than Firefly did? And to ASSUME that it would be successful if it were to return because of the people who cried over it’s cancellation is somewhat absurd considering that it wasn’t MILLIONS of people? It takes MILLIONS lol. I’m not completely dismissing the complaints, but the show “works.” Simple as that? I actually love it, and I honestly feel sorry for all of you who are too caught up in your over analyzing and unmet (often unreasonable) expectations and simply ENJOY a great show?

        • Keeping Up With the Kardasians “works”
          because it succeeds at delivering trash TV.

          Because something “works” is no measure of quality.

        • Actually, the ratings for AoS has been slipping since its debut. It is “working” in that they are still above the 7 million mark, but if viewers continue to drop off expect the show to be cancelled next season or even this season.

        • It doesn’t “work”, it’s absolute rubbish. Don’t waste your time feeling sorry for the people who don’t like it, i doubt it’ll last long. As the viewing figures show, the number of people who don’t like it are growing by the week. People are expecting something to happen, that is the reason they keep watching, not because it’s any good. They’ll be disappointed, because it’s not going anywhere. As other people have pointed out, this is nothing like the SHIELD of the comics or other Marvel films, it’s a bunch of young, boring one-note sketches who operate solely within their own little spaces. It’s a wasted opportunity, and for the people who compare it unfavourably with Arrow, at least something actually happens in Arrow. It’s fast moving and the story, however repetitive, does move forward. AoS is like watching paint dry.

    • It was given a full season order because it’s a direct spin off of the Avengers, not because it’s an awesome show. Who says it’s not working? The millions of people that stop watching each week say its not working.

  21. There’s this odd disconnect between how the MCU treats SHIELD and how this family-friendly show wants to treat them. Because the protagonists in the movies are outside of SHIELD, they’re very wary of the organization’s tactics and charter and legitimacy. Because the protagonists here are inside SHIELD, they keep trying to convince the audience that, like, Tony Stark’s skepticism about Nick Fury isn’t reasonable because this is just some ragtag group of do-gooders and not some questionable super-powerful, super-secret, barely accountable international security agency, even as characters within AoS keep raising the exact same issues. It just doesn’t work. SHIELD may be a necessary evil, but they’re still kind of evil and this show isn’t built to deal with that at all.

    • +1

    • Why aren’t they “prepared to deal with that at all?”

      • Because they seem to be trying to make a family-friendly show about good guys fighting bad guys. Why does SHIELD have the authority to seize American citizens without any apparent kind of due process? Why does Coulson get to unilaterally decide which threats of the week are okay to get tagged and released back into the wild? Why am I supposed to be okay with SHIELD confiscating that gravity goo stuff when THE AVENGERS showed SHIELD using Hydra technology to make weapons of mass destruction? Or with what one assumes to be SHIELD’s massive and massively intrusive surveillance and data-mining operations? I don’t know because the show’s not bothering to explain it to me and the show’s not bothering to explain it to me beyond reassuring the audience that these are good people who just want to help.

        • Well said, Buster. SHIELD are above the CIA in terms of secrecy. The most shadowy organization in the world. They are not a bunch of happy-go-lucky lovable 20-somethings who continually bungle operations, and as you said “just want to help.” SHIELD suppress information and neutralize threats. The series is SHIELD in name alone. It bears absolutely no resemblance to the organization from the comics or the movie universe, beyond the appearance of Coulson.

          • Agreed. Great points.

        • ^1.

  22. They should be using all the B grade superheroes/villains.

    And why are they all dressed like that?

  23. While I am willing to give the show a little more time to gets some decent gravitas, I was hoping for a bit more “Mission Impossible” like rotating cast for each mission. Get some really special agents doing only things that THEY can do in the special Marvel Universe. More Melinda May would be nice and less Agent Ward – way too “NCIS,” ugh.

  24. I loved Firefly and I’ve only made time for one episode of AoS, but I really didn’t enjoy the episode that I saw. The plot was sort of muddled and I was surprised at the disconnects between the characters for it being the third episode already. I also HATED Skye, because they made a point of saying she was a genius hacker and then attempted to make her dumb enough to be the audience cypher. She’s a mess of a character.

    This article is great; I hope that maybe AoS can turn it around.

  25. The show can’t work because it’s the big blockbuster franchise people are interested in, not a puny little TV show with neither depth nor big bangs.

    I used to watch all genre TV shows on air back in the 90s since we didn’t have a library of 1000+ motion pictures related to SciFi, fantasy and horror back then. Times have changed… not only are all classic genre TV shows out on DVD (and some of them even on Blu-Ray), which means tens of thousands of hours of class entertainment for geeks… it is hardly possible to even watch the huge blockbusters of the last 30 years regularily. This is why people have to pick the best of the best if they don’t want to lose track on the really good stuff.

    If you are a Marvel or comic book only fan, maybe you’ve got time to watch stuff like that, but if you are interested in a wider range of genre TV and cinema you easily get lost… this is why mediocre stuff like Terra Nova or Nu Knight Rider had to fail… I wonder why Grimm is still on air.

    I hope Marvel will stick to big screen adventures instead of more TV endeavours. It’s waste of money, time and talent…

  26. The show is 5 episodes in and the things you’re criticizing in this article are beign built up to. Why did Coulson choose this team? if you pay attention to the first episode you’ll see that there is more to it and they’re not going to ignore it. Why is there no central villain? There is clearly a central villain and it’s AIM.

    I definitely feel Screenrant are being impatient and acting like you’ve never watched a TV show before. Just because a show isn’t the best s*** ever 5 episodes in doesn’t mean it’s broken and not working, it means it’s building up and needs time to find its footing. It’s far too early to be talking about what the show needs to fix when we have literally seventeen episodes left. Wait until the season is over before claiming how broken the show is and how it’s not working.

    • I’m not sure why the audience should have to watch sixteen-plus hours of SHIELD before rendering a verdict. Five episodes of a television series is 210, 220 minutes. That’s almost a four-hour movie. That’s enough time to at least make the characters more compelling than they have been. That would at least be something to hold onto while they sort the themes and larger narrative arc out, but they cast a bunch of fairly bland actors in only vaguely defined roles.

    • +10000000000000000000000000

      • ^…+1.

    • Since the movies and television show exist in the same universe, they probably don’t want to use any characters that the MCU might want some day. So Wasp is clearly out. Luke Cage is probably also out. Beyond that, I don’t know. You’d have to know who’s been cleared by Marvel for SHIELD to use.

  27. So far, all I’m getting is a grade B Eureka/Alpha/Fringe. While procedural shows tend to go for “baddies of the week” for the first half dozen of the eps, you think they would fleshing up the characters or little created moments that would make you care.

    Look at Person Of Interest, the main-war of the rose story arc didn’t appear until episode 7 but with flashbacks and small character moments made me care more about Batman Jesus and Ben Linus. Same goes with Justified. Season 1 and season 2 kicked off with families rivalry that started by Raylan but the show goes through “case of the week” but I still cared enough about the characters.

    • Two awesome examples. Batman Jesus and Givens are both characters written with enough nuance to stay interesting for audiences, even if they possess the same ‘I’d really rather be doing something else right now’ attitude.

      • Agent Ward’s ‘‘I’d really rather be doing something else right now’ attitude’ comes off as very cliche and he would’ve been half as interesting if he had some human moments or quotable dialogues ala Tarantino like Batman Jesus and Raylan Givens.

        Hell, I would probably enjoy an episode of Batman Jesus and Raylan Given just talking and drinking beer more than the first 5 episodes of AoS.

        Come on Whedon Camps, if Syfy channel can do a good show similar to this with Eureka and Alpha, Fox with Fringe and X-Files, why can’t you?