Comments on: Is ABC’s ‘V’ About Obama? http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/ TV and Movie News, Reviews & Trailers Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:00:54 +0000 hourly 1 By: Vic Holtreman http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-7/#comment-152121 Vic Holtreman Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:36:40 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-152121 Closing down this thread. Vic Closing down this thread.

Vic

]]> By: Ken J http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-152076 Ken J Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:18:11 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-152076 790, dude, don't be an idiot, I'm at work, when I get home I can get you the address to the forum I've made, we can continue there, Vic has said to stop with this, you can pretend all you want that I'm soooo afraid of what you're going to say, but you and everyone else can read what Vic wrote. And don't worry, anyone else can go to that forum too and read it, in case you're going to pretend like I want to make it private. Because oohhhh, you're soooo going to stump me, yah, I'm trying to avoid it, blah blah blah blah... But not only did you STILL not address any of the points I have made, but you've continued the discussion about the 9/11 stuf despite Vic's request for us to stop, great way to respect the man's rules on his website... But keep claiming that I'm just soooooo scared of your excellent responses, I'm sure there are one or two people reading that might believe you... 790, dude, don’t be an idiot, I’m at work, when I get home I can get you the address to the forum I’ve made, we can continue there, Vic has said to stop with this, you can pretend all you want that I’m soooo afraid of what you’re going to say, but you and everyone else can read what Vic wrote. And don’t worry, anyone else can go to that forum too and read it, in case you’re going to pretend like I want to make it private. Because oohhhh, you’re soooo going to stump me, yah, I’m trying to avoid it, blah blah blah blah…

But not only did you STILL not address any of the points I have made, but you’ve continued the discussion about the 9/11 stuf despite Vic’s request for us to stop, great way to respect the man’s rules on his website…

But keep claiming that I’m just soooooo scared of your excellent responses, I’m sure there are one or two people reading that might believe you…

]]> By: 790 http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-152070 790 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:50:08 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-152070 Ah its always fun talking to KenJ,,, That's kinda what I expected you to say Ken, so I'll just touch on a few of your comments, and then we can all go back to the global warming deal,,, ^ Ken Says: "Those conspiracies make me angry but they are actually hilarious if you don't consider all of the ppl they are disrespecting with them." ^ How do you equate getting to the truth disrespecting the dead? Do you actually think I would give a crap if this was actually caused by 17 ragheads with boxcutters. Nope! How can you ignore the first responders that are sick and will die suffering as the heath care system refuses to cover them because the gov won't admit there was a prob with the air quality? You think that their version of the truth is a lie some kind of mass delusion, and you talk of disrespect? These are People that were trying to save lives, some of them worked for 48 hours strait fueled by a sense of duty! ^ You said, "Elevators were the sound of the explosions," (elevators in all major buildings default to the bottom floor during a fire alarm,) ^ You know, frankly I'm amazed that ppl can't deal with the facts or really even want to confront them on this issue. Its clear that the official story is questionable at best and you can't deny that our officials sweep it all under the rug quickly and then used the media to contain the lie. Am I disrespecting the dead by trying to get to the truth? The commission report was written by a friend of bush. One that had mentioned years before that it would take this kind of event to motivate the American Public to go to war in the middle east. ^ Ken says: "And the thing about this is that normally conspiracies come out of lack of information" ^ Its you that either denies the boatload of information on this event, or can't deal with it. there's just too many unanswered questions, to many cover ups that all connect to a conspiracy. I've answered a few of your points, so Ken how did fire cause WTC7 fall in an apparent controlled demo? Even Chrisj recalls the "pull it" order Just answer that one question if you can,,, ;-) Ah its always fun talking to KenJ,,,

That’s kinda what I expected you to say Ken, so I’ll just touch on a few of your comments, and then we can all go back to the global warming deal,,,
^
Ken Says:
“Those conspiracies make me angry but they are actually hilarious if you don’t consider all of the ppl they are disrespecting with them.”
^
How do you equate getting to the truth disrespecting the dead? Do you actually think I would give a crap if this was actually caused by 17 ragheads with boxcutters. Nope!
How can you ignore the first responders that are sick and will die suffering as the heath care system refuses to cover them because the gov won’t admit there was a prob with the air quality? You think that their version of the truth is a lie some kind of mass delusion, and you talk of disrespect? These are People that were trying to save lives, some of them worked for 48 hours strait fueled by a sense of duty!
^
You said,
“Elevators were the sound of the explosions,”

(elevators in all major buildings default to the bottom floor during a fire alarm,)
^
You know, frankly I’m amazed that ppl can’t deal with the facts or really even want to confront them on this issue.
Its clear that the official story is questionable at best and you can’t deny that our officials sweep it all under the rug quickly and then used the media to contain the lie.
Am I disrespecting the dead by trying to get to the truth? The commission report was written by a friend of bush. One that had mentioned years before that it would take this kind of event to motivate the American Public to go to war in the middle east.
^
Ken says:
“And the thing about this is that normally conspiracies come out of lack of information”
^
Its you that either denies the boatload of information on this event, or can’t deal with it. there’s just too many unanswered questions, to many cover ups that all connect to a conspiracy. I’ve answered a few of your points, so Ken how did fire cause WTC7 fall in an apparent controlled demo? Even Chrisj recalls the “pull it” order

Just answer that one question if you can,,, ;-)

]]> By: Ken J http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-152065 Ken J Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:46:27 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-152065 @790 Not here dude, Vic has told us to shut our mouths about that stuff, lol. But keep them in mind, there might be another medium in which we can discuss it. I made a forum a while ago, just gotta dig up the address for it, lol. @790

Not here dude, Vic has told us to shut our mouths about that stuff, lol. But keep them in mind, there might be another medium in which we can discuss it. I made a forum a while ago, just gotta dig up the address for it, lol.

]]> By: 790 http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-152062 790 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:33:53 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-152062 Ken I'm going through your "questions" now give me a minute and I'll briefly reply. Ken I’m going through your “questions” now give me a minute and I’ll briefly reply.

]]> By: Ken J http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-152055 Ken J Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:07:14 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-152055 LOL, I'm pretty sure nobody here is dumb enough to not be able to read that I never said I am unwilling to address your questions. I've stated from the beginning that since my points were brought up first that they need to be addressed before new points could be addressed. You're simply avoiding them since you have no way to dispute them and bringing up new points that you THINK you can argue. Yet even those are not well constructed. I would have liked for you to address my points first, but I actually did address one just to humor you. So, did you figure out if it was AGIS, AJIS, or were you actually thinking that ATIS was some crazy plane controlling system? lol. You refuse to address any of my points which were brought up first, then even when I address one of these new ones that you handpicked, you decided to drop that one all-together as well. So who's avoiding who here? HAHA But alas, Vic has shut us down, and I was simply telling chrisj to not waste his time on the issue, especially not only on a small selection of handpicked questions. But maybe on some other medium. But in the mean time, keep reading conspiracy theory websites for the real story! Lol LOL, I’m pretty sure nobody here is dumb enough to not be able to read that I never said I am unwilling to address your questions. I’ve stated from the beginning that since my points were brought up first that they need to be addressed before new points could be addressed. You’re simply avoiding them since you have no way to dispute them and bringing up new points that you THINK you can argue. Yet even those are not well constructed. I would have liked for you to address my points first, but I actually did address one just to humor you. So, did you figure out if it was AGIS, AJIS, or were you actually thinking that ATIS was some crazy plane controlling system? lol. You refuse to address any of my points which were brought up first, then even when I address one of these new ones that you handpicked, you decided to drop that one all-together as well. So who’s avoiding who here? HAHA

But alas, Vic has shut us down, and I was simply telling chrisj to not waste his time on the issue, especially not only on a small selection of handpicked questions. But maybe on some other medium.

But in the mean time, keep reading conspiracy theory websites for the real story! Lol

]]> By: 790 http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-152036 790 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:18:57 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-152036 Ken your questions all ran together besides if your going to play some kind of he won't answer my questions so he's wrong it really makes you look childish and in full denial about the issue. Its like you have your hands over your ears, eyes closed and babbling, I don't hear you, I don't hear you!!! Again the questions I bring up are valid and are still ignored by MSM,,, If your going to overlook how building 7 was imploded with munitions when it wasn't even hit by major debris then I guess the other facts are meaningless. I guess they were lucky to get a demo team up there to plant those charges while all the fires and chaos was going on. Amazing work! Yeah keep watching FOX news for the real story! Lol Ken your questions all ran together besides if your going to play some kind of he won’t answer my questions so he’s wrong it really makes you look childish and in full denial about the issue.

Its like you have your hands over your ears, eyes closed and babbling, I don’t hear you, I don’t hear you!!!

Again the questions I bring up are valid and are still ignored by MSM,,,
If your going to overlook how building 7 was imploded with munitions when it wasn’t even hit by major debris then I guess the other facts are meaningless. I guess they were lucky to get a demo team up there to plant those charges while all the fires and chaos was going on. Amazing work!
Yeah keep watching FOX news for the real story! Lol

]]> By: Ken J http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-152024 Ken J Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:47:41 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-152024 Sorry to butt in chrisj and 790, we are supposed to have dropped this, Vic doesn't want this discussed on his site, so we will stop. It's good enough that we're discussing a semi-political discussion regarding climate change, so let's not ruin it. Not to mention chrisj, he has yet to address any of the stuff I brought up, so don't waste your time on the subjects he has hand picked to talk about. Pretty commonly used debate tactics that don't work on those who know better. Combination of Strawperson and red herring. The correct way to handle that is to ignore it. :-) Sorry to butt in chrisj and 790, we are supposed to have dropped this, Vic doesn’t want this discussed on his site, so we will stop. It’s good enough that we’re discussing a semi-political discussion regarding climate change, so let’s not ruin it.

Not to mention chrisj, he has yet to address any of the stuff I brought up, so don’t waste your time on the subjects he has hand picked to talk about. Pretty commonly used debate tactics that don’t work on those who know better. Combination of Strawperson and red herring. The correct way to handle that is to ignore it. :-)

]]> By: 790 http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-151979 790 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:42:22 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-151979 Chrisj,,, ^ When did they have time to plant charges in WTC 7? Do all buildings have charges that can be pulled in case there's some structural damage? Hmm??? ^ The parts on the pentagon lawn don't match those of a 747,,, also that type of landing trajectory is all but impossible. ^ If FEMA would have declared the air unhealthy the responders and clean up crews would have received resources (high filter dust masks, ventilation equip etc) They were more concerned about getting Wall St back up. They knew the air was unhealthy. (Same folks that want to take over heathcare btw) ^ Regardless of not knowing weather its a terrorist attack. An incident that large the pres, would have been taken out of that school right then, like a book read is more important,,, ^ Also if you look into the subject you will find connections to bush and the ladens... ^ Chrisj,,,
^
When did they have time to plant charges in WTC 7?
Do all buildings have charges that can be pulled in case there’s some structural damage?
Hmm???
^
The parts on the pentagon lawn don’t match those of a 747,,, also that type of landing trajectory is all but impossible.
^
If FEMA would have declared the air unhealthy the responders and clean up crews would have received resources (high filter dust masks, ventilation equip etc)
They were more concerned about getting Wall St back up. They knew the air was unhealthy.
(Same folks that want to take over heathcare btw)
^
Regardless of not knowing weather its a terrorist attack. An incident that large the pres, would have been taken out of that school right then, like a book read is more important,,,
^
Also if you look into the subject you will find connections to bush and the ladens…
^

]]> By: chrisj http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-151963 chrisj Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:46:38 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-151963 @ 790 More than a couple of questions. I dont have all the answers because various sources say various things so ill answer what i can. 1. about WTC building 7 failling was due to it being badly damaged caused by falling debris from the two towers. The building was evacuated and authorities decided to bring the whole thing down cause it would on its own anyways later. From one of the books ive looked at, alot of buildings went down or suffered alot of damage all due to debris from the two towers collapse. As first responders getting sich i dont know cause i wasnt there and im not a paramedic. but one things for sure was america hasnt been thru a attack like this since Pearl Harbor, only this attack was focused on civilians being killed. And even after the 1993 WTC attack, no-one thought attack like 9/11 would be as what we saw during and afterwards. You might say the state of New York wasnt prepared for that sort of thing to happend. Till this day people still question if the city would be ready for another attack. and i doubt very much authortities setted up charges in the twin towers. because it do the much damage to set them up in the basement again and bring them down from the ground up. and its unlikely anyone could leave there without being caught by camera if charges were in the building on a certain floor cause it would be hard to get out fast unless you were killing yourself. People who mentioned that have expressed thir ideas of the al-quada being innocent and Bush is guilty. Which is wrong of-course. As for the 747, well ive seen damage in pictures on tv and in newspapers from the plane. And there was more than a hole, more like large gap that collapsed at the Pentagon. People mentioned they seen the plane coming in low clipping light-polls till it hit and i remember seeing a engine amongst the debris. Problem is the media focus 9/11 more in NYC than the Pentagon or Shanksville. People who say theres no sign of a plane are obviously in denial. As for CIA takin footage 747 pentagon crash, well all i can say is they might wanted it for evidence. I dont work at the CIA. As for Bush not leaving, is because of the first plane hitting the WTC. if you remember people's reports or even on camera talkin, no-one mentioned terrorists. Everyone was under the impression the plane lost control somehow etc. As for bush not leaving, teachers and kids could ask why? and Bush could ethier lie, or straight out say plane crashed which is somthing you wouldnt wanna say to a bunch of kids if you're president. Especially if its a terrorist attack which would cause panic. By the look on his face, he probly suspected it was a terrorist act. And finally, the Bin laden family requested if they could be flown out cause they feared for their lives. Remember all the hatred and hate crimes towards muslims during the aftermath???? There was hate talk on radio, Muslim women having thier head veils takin off and some been shot at. Bin laden family was questioned before they left. That was somthing Michael Moore left outta his film probly. @ 790
More than a couple of questions. I dont have all the answers because various sources say various things so ill answer what i can. 1. about WTC building 7 failling was due to it being badly damaged caused by falling debris from the two towers. The building was evacuated and authorities decided to bring the whole thing down cause it would on its own anyways later. From one of the books ive looked at, alot of buildings went down or suffered alot of damage all due to debris from the two towers collapse. As first responders getting sich i dont know cause i wasnt there and im not a paramedic. but one things for sure was america hasnt been thru a attack like this since Pearl Harbor, only this attack was focused on civilians being killed. And even after the 1993 WTC attack, no-one thought attack like 9/11 would be as what we saw during and afterwards. You might say the state of New York wasnt prepared for that sort of thing to happend. Till this day people still question if the city would be ready for another attack. and i doubt very much authortities setted up charges in the twin towers. because it do the much damage to set them up in the basement again and bring them down from the ground up. and its unlikely anyone could leave there without being caught by camera if charges were in the building on a certain floor cause it would be hard to get out fast unless you were killing yourself. People who mentioned that have expressed thir ideas of the al-quada being innocent and Bush is guilty. Which is wrong of-course. As for the 747, well ive seen damage in pictures on tv and in newspapers from the plane. And there was more than a hole, more like large gap that collapsed at the Pentagon. People mentioned they seen the plane coming in low clipping light-polls till it hit and i remember seeing a engine amongst the debris. Problem is the media focus 9/11 more in NYC than the Pentagon or Shanksville. People who say theres no sign of a plane are obviously in denial. As for CIA takin footage 747 pentagon crash, well all i can say is they might wanted it for evidence. I dont work at the CIA. As for Bush not leaving, is because of the first plane hitting the WTC. if you remember people’s reports or even on camera talkin, no-one mentioned terrorists. Everyone was under the impression the plane lost control somehow etc. As for bush not leaving, teachers and kids could ask why? and Bush could ethier lie, or straight out say plane crashed which is somthing you wouldnt wanna say to a bunch of kids if you’re president. Especially if its a terrorist attack which would cause panic. By the look on his face, he probly suspected it was a terrorist act. And finally, the Bin laden family requested if they could be flown out cause they feared for their lives. Remember all the hatred and hate crimes towards muslims during the aftermath???? There was hate talk on radio, Muslim women having thier head veils takin off and some been shot at. Bin laden family was questioned before they left. That was somthing Michael Moore left outta his film probly.

]]> By: Daniel http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-151923 Daniel Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:29:16 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-151923 @Ken J Just one more bit of discussion: If the Earth is currently heating up, why is 1998 the hottest year on record, and not 2009? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm Global warming as its currently peddled to the masses is a myth...the truth is its part of a chain of temperature fluctuations, some of the scientists quoted in this article seem to support my view. The others are spouting the same eco cliches we've all heard and that AlGore makes his living scaring the uninformed about. That one degree we were talking about earlier, its supposed to happen in the future, its not happening now. Right now we're in a global cooling phase, and when we go into a global warming phase, it'll just be the Earth going through its temp phases again. @Ken J

Just one more bit of discussion:
If the Earth is currently heating up, why is 1998 the hottest year on record, and not 2009?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm

Global warming as its currently peddled to the masses is a myth…the truth is its part of a chain of temperature fluctuations, some of the scientists quoted in this article seem to support my view. The others are spouting the same eco cliches we’ve all heard and that AlGore makes his living scaring the uninformed about.

That one degree we were talking about earlier, its supposed to happen in the future, its not happening now. Right now we’re in a global cooling phase, and when we go into a global warming phase, it’ll just be the Earth going through its temp phases again.

]]> By: Daniel http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-151921 Daniel Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:13:07 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-151921 @Ken Oh i know that, i was just offering further exposition on what i had said before. @Vic: Precisely. That is an inconvenient litle fact that would likely get you ejected from an AlGore climate propaganda conference should you "dare" to bring it up, just like it happened to a film maker who disputed the whole "polar bears are dying" fabrication. They cut off his mic! @Ken

Oh i know that, i was just offering further exposition on what i had said before.

@Vic:

Precisely. That is an inconvenient litle fact that would likely get you ejected from an AlGore climate propaganda conference should you “dare” to bring it up, just like it happened to a film maker who disputed the whole “polar bears are dying” fabrication. They cut off his mic!

]]> By: Vic Holtreman http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-151911 Vic Holtreman Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:23:29 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-151911 I've said it before: How in the world did Earth manage to come out of the last Ice Age before the advent of modern industry, SUVs and millions of cars? Vic I’ve said it before: How in the world did Earth manage to come out of the last Ice Age before the advent of modern industry, SUVs and millions of cars?

Vic

]]> By: Ken J http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-151908 Ken J Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:18:24 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-151908 @Daniel I've never said that it was our doing, I'm simply stating that 1 degree is a significant change. I've never suggested that it's proven that humans are the cause of any kind of climate change. In fact, all this time I've been saying that most of the real research and data I've seen seems to point to the fact that these cooling and warming periods happen on their own without our influence... @Daniel

I’ve never said that it was our doing, I’m simply stating that 1 degree is a significant change. I’ve never suggested that it’s proven that humans are the cause of any kind of climate change. In fact, all this time I’ve been saying that most of the real research and data I’ve seen seems to point to the fact that these cooling and warming periods happen on their own without our influence…

]]> By: Daniel http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-151906 Daniel Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:03:09 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-151906 @Ken J A single degree is a significant amount in and of itself, but when you take into account that there have been many heating and cooling periods during the Earth's history, you come to realize that that one degree is likely part of a chain of temperature fluctuations that go up and down depending on factors which are entirely beyond our control. Besides animals and people contributing to Co2 through their metabolic wastes, you've had volcanoes that spew forth tons and tons of Co2 into the Earth's atmosphere and if Co2 was really trapped there as the eco militants claimed this world would never have been able to sustain life as it had. That single degree is projected to occur because of events beyond our control. If something like an ice age can transpire and dissipate long before Man had the technology to affect the Earth in any minuscule way, it stands to reason that the Earth would be able to correct itself without our help. Extreme periods of heat would likewise have been corrected by the Earth as well. It may just be inevitable that the Earth will be going through a phase of increase heat later on which will make life difficult for is, maybe even impossible. My point is that the whole global warming mythos that the Co2 we produce is killing the Earth is complete...doody:) @Ken J

A single degree is a significant amount in and of itself, but when you take into account that there have been many heating and cooling periods during the Earth’s history, you come to realize that that one degree is likely part of a chain of temperature fluctuations that go up and down depending on factors which are entirely beyond our control.

Besides animals and people contributing to Co2 through their metabolic wastes, you’ve had volcanoes that spew forth tons and tons of Co2 into the Earth’s atmosphere and if Co2 was really trapped there as the eco militants claimed this world would never have been able to sustain life as it had.

That single degree is projected to occur because of events beyond our control. If something like an ice age can transpire and dissipate long before Man had the technology to affect the Earth in any minuscule way, it stands to reason that the Earth would be able to correct itself without our help. Extreme periods of heat would likewise have been corrected by the Earth as well.

It may just be inevitable that the Earth will be going through a phase of increase heat later on which will make life difficult for is, maybe even impossible.

My point is that the whole global warming mythos that the Co2 we produce is killing the Earth is complete…doody:)

]]> By: 790 http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-151889 790 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:05:51 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-151889 Ken says: ("I think this whole thing is just for a certain political party to exert more control, they will keep falling back on the excuse "it's for the environment!") Yep and watch them increase taxes globally as well. Al Gore (Blood & Gore INC.) has made Billions off his lies and even won an Askar,,, surprised he didn't win a Nobel Prize, o wait I think he did,,, The lies, the lies, the lies,,,, how long will we have to suck the ±±±± of lies! Ken says:
(“I think this whole thing is just for a certain political party to exert more control, they will keep falling back on the excuse “it’s for the environment!”)

Yep and watch them increase taxes globally as well.

Al Gore (Blood & Gore INC.) has made Billions off his lies and even won an Askar,,, surprised he didn’t win a Nobel Prize, o wait I think he did,,,

The lies, the lies, the lies,,,, how long will we have to suck the ±±±± of lies!

]]> By: Ken J http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-151884 Ken J Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:53:25 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-151884 @Vic That's definitely a good point, and hopefully they are not using those to measure our average temperature. I thought it was done through infrared satellite imagery or something, lol. Anyway, a lot of the studies I have looked at were from scientific journals and other non-mainstream publications that don't have a pro or anti global warming agenda, so I HOPE they know better than to use data from things that can be skewed like that. I'm fairly certain they are collecting their own data somehow, most of the time that's better than rehashing someone else's data... I am open to the possibility that global warming isn't happening at all, but I feel like I've seen enough evidence that it's happening, but not much evidence supporting that it's caused by humans. The eath has had a history of warming and cooling periods, and we're actually right on time for a warming period, so to me it doesn't make sense for them to blame humans for it when this cycle has been going on long before we were even here... @Vic

That’s definitely a good point, and hopefully they are not using those to measure our average temperature. I thought it was done through infrared satellite imagery or something, lol.

Anyway, a lot of the studies I have looked at were from scientific journals and other non-mainstream publications that don’t have a pro or anti global warming agenda, so I HOPE they know better than to use data from things that can be skewed like that. I’m fairly certain they are collecting their own data somehow, most of the time that’s better than rehashing someone else’s data…

I am open to the possibility that global warming isn’t happening at all, but I feel like I’ve seen enough evidence that it’s happening, but not much evidence supporting that it’s caused by humans. The eath has had a history of warming and cooling periods, and we’re actually right on time for a warming period, so to me it doesn’t make sense for them to blame humans for it when this cycle has been going on long before we were even here…

]]> By: Ken J http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-151882 Ken J Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:49:09 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-151882 @Paul "I’m not a scientist (but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night)" WOW, VERY NICE! LMAO!!!! :-D I guess that's why you write for a website and I don't, damn my useless right brain hemisphere, I need to be more creative... :-( "Just because the oceans have the chance to rise due to melting polar ice caps and we loose some beach front property?" Hey now, I live in Florida, we're completely flat and are almost at sea level, a rise in sea level wouldn't make us lose beach front property, we might lose all of Florida!! LOL! :-D I agree with what you're saying though, I think this whole thing is just for a certain political party to exert more control, they will keep falling back on the excuse "it's for the environment!" *rolls eyes* People really do need to do their own research... @Paul

“I’m not a scientist (but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night)”

WOW, VERY NICE! LMAO!!!! :-D I guess that’s why you write for a website and I don’t, damn my useless right brain hemisphere, I need to be more creative… :-(

“Just because the oceans have the chance to rise due to melting polar ice caps and we loose some beach front property?”

Hey now, I live in Florida, we’re completely flat and are almost at sea level, a rise in sea level wouldn’t make us lose beach front property, we might lose all of Florida!! LOL! :-D

I agree with what you’re saying though, I think this whole thing is just for a certain political party to exert more control, they will keep falling back on the excuse “it’s for the environment!” *rolls eyes*

People really do need to do their own research…

]]> By: Vic Holtreman http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-151809 Vic Holtreman Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:56:51 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-151809 @Ken J I recently saw a series of pics of those standalone weather mini weather stations (very small) from various locations around the world today and something like 20 years ago. They were in remote, wooded or grassy areas years ago but present day they're surrounded by buildings. It's an accepted fact that temperatures in cities are higher due to all the asphalt and other heat retaining substances. I'm sure this is just one aspect, but if you have a temperature station placed somewhere where now the average temperature is higher due to man made structures, well that doesn't reflect a higher natural temperature, it reflects a higher temperature due to what is surrounding the station. Vic @Ken J

I recently saw a series of pics of those standalone weather mini weather stations (very small) from various locations around the world today and something like 20 years ago. They were in remote, wooded or grassy areas years ago but present day they’re surrounded by buildings. It’s an accepted fact that temperatures in cities are higher due to all the asphalt and other heat retaining substances.

I’m sure this is just one aspect, but if you have a temperature station placed somewhere where now the average temperature is higher due to man made structures, well that doesn’t reflect a higher natural temperature, it reflects a higher temperature due to what is surrounding the station.

Vic

]]> By: Paul Young http://screenrant.com/abcs-v-obamania-vic-33308/comment-page-6/#comment-151784 Paul Young Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:27:14 +0000 http://screenrant.com/?p=33308#comment-151784 I hate getting into "Global Warming" debates because almost every time the people you are arguing with do not have a background in science at all. They are just spouting off info they heard elsewhere, which is OK if that infomartion comes from a science mag or website. Most often than not, the info they base their debate on comes from pro-GW or anti-GW sources (read: CNN, FOX, ect.) and not from multiple research sites across the world. I'm not a scientist (but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night) but my personal opinion is this: The world acts just like the human body - it regulates itself. When the body gets too hot, it adjusts by sweating to cool down. I think the earth does the same type of thing. When it gets too hot, it melts ice or produces more rain to cool it's overall temps. I think it's ignorant and arrogant for humans to think that we can destroy the planet in such a short amount of time. Even if Global Warming is occurring (which I don't think it is) how is that a bad thing? Just because the oceans have the chance to rise due to melting polar ice caps and we loose some beach front property? Humans argue that they want change but what everyone really wants is status quo and they are afraid of change. We can't control the weather, we may be able to influence it but we can never control it. What happens if "science" starts warning of building house and buildings in California because the extra weight MAY cause earthquakes? It's an absurd thought but I wouldn't be surprised if one day big government doesn't try to put a cap on things like that. I hate getting into “Global Warming” debates because almost every time the people you are arguing with do not have a background in science at all. They are just spouting off info they heard elsewhere, which is OK if that infomartion comes from a science mag or website. Most often than not, the info they base their debate on comes from pro-GW or anti-GW sources (read: CNN, FOX, ect.) and not from multiple research sites across the world.

I’m not a scientist (but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night) but my personal opinion is this: The world acts just like the human body – it regulates itself. When the body gets too hot, it adjusts by sweating to cool down. I think the earth does the same type of thing. When it gets too hot, it melts ice or produces more rain to cool it’s overall temps.

I think it’s ignorant and arrogant for humans to think that we can destroy the planet in such a short amount of time. Even if Global Warming is occurring (which I don’t think it is) how is that a bad thing? Just because the oceans have the chance to rise due to melting polar ice caps and we loose some beach front property? Humans argue that they want change but what everyone really wants is status quo and they are afraid of change.

We can’t control the weather, we may be able to influence it but we can never control it. What happens if “science” starts warning of building house and buildings in California because the extra weight MAY cause earthquakes? It’s an absurd thought but I wouldn’t be surprised if one day big government doesn’t try to put a cap on things like that.

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