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Bruce Montreal says:

I don’t think the fact that the Earth is warming at a rate never seen before (it should be slowly cooling down) is a partisan issue.

Anyway Vic I’m sure you are right and the entire global Scientific community is wrong. Phew! I mean, what do they know? Do they have a lively blog? No they don’t. They only have this boring site from 2004 claiming empirical evidence :-)

http://www.mng.org.uk/gh/threat/threat6.htm

Group hug.

@bpg131313

Great post there, bro, despite the fact I disagree with a lot of it. :-P

We are not “just animals” just because we’re made of the same stuff. Animals don’t ponder their self-existance or appreciate art and beauty.

Heck the fact that you sat there, gathered your thoughts and added them to this discussion shows that your more than just an animal.

Best,

Vic

Rob Keyes says:

Hey Bruce Montreal,

This is incredibly OT but,

That site you linked and any graphs/studies showing exponential increase in recent temperature fluctuations were proven wrong.

My professor for my masters thesis actually was one of the ones who discovered the flaws in the methodology and there were hearings made to try and force the original creator to reveal his data and method which he tried to keep hidden.

Look up the “hockey stick debate”

No more climate change talk from me :)

790 says:

So much for the Prime Directive.

790 says:

@Bruce Montreal
Every group needs funds. The global scientific community is no different.

This global warming is due to the Sun.
(That big nuclear reaction in the sky) Scientists have discussed it, it is becoming accepted,,, slowly…

However there’s still a lot of “groups” that are making “LOTS OF MONEY” by pushing the adgenda that its caused by mankind.

At the end of the day, its all about the money…

Bruce Montreal says:

@ Rob Keyes

Yes you have to go back to 2005 to find arguments against the hockey stick theory. In 2006 the scientist who originally proposed that the climate was heating up faster than at any time in the previous 1000 years came back with more evidence and the scientific community is in broad agreement now that this phenomenon is largely man made .. the government also concludes the same despite resisting it (for ecomonic reasons) for a long time. Once they realized this was real and that not doing anything would cost much more in the long run, that is.

The evidence that was presented and broadly accepted in 2006 (and ever since) is discussed here:
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1540773/scientists_back_up_climate_hockey_stick_graph/index.html

Having said that I know that you can never convince some people once their mind is made up .. so I’ll just agree to disagree. However, pressure on politicians is needed as is a non partisan effort to reduce pollution to an extent that the atmosphere has a chance of correcting itself over a few generations.

Recycling and informed individuals deciding to buy hybrid cars will not be enough, this will need an international and government led effort to agree on and hit targets to reduce harmful emissions.

Anyway I won’t go back and forth on this any more. It reminds me how people fought tooth and nail once upon a time to decry any evidence that smoking, or even passive smoking was bad for you. All they do is slow down measures to fix the problem, and that’s what is happening again.

Anyway, back to the original point. I think that substituting nuclear anihilation for environmental disaster is appropriate and timely for the movie.

Did you know that even the original Robert Wise movie deviated from the short story it was based on .. it that short story Gort was revealed to be the master of Klaatu .. something the movie makers decided wasn’t palatable for US audiences of the time.

Well I’m going off to watch X-files now .. I just bought seasons 5, 6 and 7 ;-)

790 says:

@Bruce Montreal,,,you said
“pressure on politicians is needed as is a non partisan effort to reduce pollution to an extent that the atmosphere has a chance of correcting itself over a few generations”

The government is the biggest polluter of all. Hell even the Military openly pollutes world wide.
Changing a few lightbulbs won’t do it.
More laws only effect the ppl not the companies that own the Governments.
You can’t change the image on the screen by yelling at it. You have to get to the projector.
All the ppl are doing is yelling at the screen. (No pun intended Vic). ;-)

Benji says:

You all know that ‘global warming’ and ‘ice age’ are the same thing right?

790 says:

Yeah there both words to scare people and take advantage.

wyatt says:

There are so many possibilities with “remakes’ and enhanced movies. This one may live up to the hype. War of the Worlds initially looked like the epitome of remakes and was a let-down for the ending ( sadly). This version takes a different slant on saving the earth. @0th Century Fox will undoubtedly get my $10.00 ticket!

Mike Sieber says:

I am not at all excited about the remake. In fact, it’s downright distressing to see what was a great message in the original, “Stop killing each other,” being reduced to, “Let’s recycle!”

I agree that they never should’ve called this movie The Day The Earth Stood Still because it has nothing to do with the original. But, that’s Hollywood for ya.

prtfvr says:

Mike S.: You’re right. You’re right. But I’m going to pretend it’s just one of the many movies that use the same title but are completely different. I have to or my head might explode. ;)

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