10 Badass Characters Neutered by Their Sequels

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10 Badass Characters Neutered by Their Sequels

10 Badass Characters Neutered by Their Sequels

Sequels are definitely a mixed bag in terms of quality, but one of their advantages is an audience’s immediate connection and empathy towards a familiar and (hopefully) beloved character. No one really cares what’s inside the Temple of Doom or where the Holy Grail is hidden, they just want to go on another adventure with Indiana Jones.Our interest and investment in these characters and their worlds often percolates in the years (or sometimes decades) between installments, and the opportunity to revisit them is often greeted with unmatched fervor - which makes it enormously disappointing as you watch a film unfold and realize that while the character on the big screen may look and sound the way you remember, something is... missing.Characters originally depicted as being total badasses are often hit hardest in this regard. The problem is easily diagnosed: They’ve lost their edge, and the qualities that made them such badasses initially have been severely diluted. Metaphorically speaking, they’ve been neutered.

10. Mad Max - Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome

 Mad Max Beyond ThunderdomeYou have to give the filmmakers credit for taking this franchise into unexplored territory and not just rehashing The Road Warrior. There are a lot of things in Beyond Thunderdome that are really good, but it would have been more enjoyable if it hadn’t been part of the Mad Max series. The problem is that this isn’t the same Max from the other films. He’s not really even all that mad - he’s more like "Slightly Perturbed Max."Granted, a great deal of time has passed since we last saw Max, but no matter how much you rationalize or appreciate that change I still don’t think this version of the character is remotely as compelling. He’s just not as much fun to watch or root for.

9. The Terminator - Terminator 2 & 3

 Wimpy TerminatorMake no mistake, I’m not saying Terminator 2 wasn’t effective, but when you get right down to it, an unstoppable killing machine basically becomes the robot equivalent of Lassie. Instead of watching Timmy’s back, it’s John Connor he’s loyally protecting. Both sequels have the Terminator switching sides to help the good guys and promising he won’t kill anyone but while Terminator 3 was busy copying the entire structure of Terminator 2, it forgot one important factor: the age of John Connor. It makes a HUGE difference.There’s something endearing and sort of charming about a little boy teaching this machine morality and what it means to be human. While the Terminator was neutered as a character, it was done with good reason. In Terminator 3, Connor is a twenty-something and other than a few moments of nostalgia that are mostly played for laughs, there’s nothing to their relationship.I’d argue that the neutered, good-guy version of the Terminator is completely unnecessary in T3. Not only is the dynamic between him and John completely different and unrewarding, he actually prevents Connor from having to man up and start fighting to protect himself and the ones he cares about. I’ve always thought a better version of T3 would have involved the T-X reprogramming the T-850 much earlier in the film and having him remain an adversary all the way to the end.

8. Han Solo - Return of the Jedi

 Whipped Han SoloIt’s common knowledge that Harrison Ford wanted Han to die in Return of the Jedi. We're not here to argue whether or not that would have been a good decision creatively because that’s not what Ford cared about - he was just sick of Star Wars.Sadly, it shows in the finished film. Ford’s heart is just not in it and Han’s trademark swagger and charisma have all but vanished. The blame doesn’t fall squarely on him, though. Han doesn’t do a single noteworthy thing for all of Jedi’s running time - he’s just there because Lucas knows fans want him to be.They take our favorite scruffy nerf herder and turn him into a mopey sad sack who’s jealous of the attention Luke’s getting from Leia. Is this Star Wars or Dawson’s Creek? Where’s that sarcastic self-assurance? What happened to the witty one-liners? He’s not even a resourceful or valuable asset to the team - he spends the majority of the film getting rescued by other characters (and I’m not even counting Jabba’s palace).The real Han Solo never came out of that carbonite.

7. Freddy Krueger - A Nightmare on Elm Street 2-6

Freddy KruegerOriginally we were only going to include A Nightmare on Elm Street 4-6, but upon further examination it was clear that the elements that ultimately made Freddy more funny than scary were already present in the first sequel. The two things that did the most damage to Kruger’s character were the nightmare set-pieces that (while admittedly imaginative) became more silly than disturbing and his exponential use of terrible one-liners.In the sequels they stop treating Krueger like a serious threat and more like some undead rock star that the audience paid good money to see play his greatest hits while eviscerating teenagers. The first film is as much about what we don’t see as what we do but the sequels became strictly about the payoff - everything was bigger, bloodier and more elaborate - and nothing was left to the imagination.They’re guilty pleasure fun for sure, but Krueger stopped being the face of nightmares and became the face of video games, action figures, and comic books.  He went from character to caricature and by the time they got to the sixth film, the series had all the subtlety of a Saturday morning cartoon.

6. Ellen Ripley - Alien: Resurrection

Ellen RipleyYes, she’s a clone and technically not the same character from the first three films, but it's not incorrect to assume that she was brought back because everyone involved knew how much she meant to fans of the series. So there’s an important lesson to be learned here…You can call a character Ripley and you can even have the same actress reprise the role - it doesn’t make it so. Sure, she can still handle a flame thrower and dispose of xenomorphs with impressive precision but you know what made Ripley so badass in Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3? The overwhelming odds she was up against. If there was one word to describe Ripley in the first three Alien films it would be "driven." You know what word describes her in Alien: Resurrection? Bored.Ripley has nothing to fight for in this film. There’s nothing at stake for her. She grudgingly tags along with the other survivors and spends most of the film looking at everything going on around her with an arrogant indifference. When our main character isn’t scared or worried about what’s going on, why should the audience be?Ripley might still be tough on the surface, but they effectively neutered (spayed?) all the aspects of the character that made her so completely badass. We go from her laying the smack down on an alien to watching her snuggle up with one? Pass.

5. Martin Riggs - Lethal Weapon 4

Martin Riggs Lethal Weapon 4While Lethal Weapon 4 isn't the worst movie ever, we recognize that it only works by relying on the goodwill and nostalgia the audience has built up for its characters - not because it’s a particularly great film in its own right. Riggs is (or was) the title character of this franchise. In the first film he’s literally a lethal weapon - that’s how the movie got its name. Violent and unpredictable, Riggs was a bigger danger to himself than any of the bad guys he was taking on.In the original version of Lethal Weapon 2, screenwriter Shane Black had Riggs die from his wounds after getting revenge on the man responsible for the death of his wife. He felt that ending was so important that when the studio decided to change it, Black left the project. As far as he was concerned, Riggs’ journey was complete and he knew there was nowhere left to take the character without completely altering what made him who he is.Riggs &; Murtaugh are incredibly well-developed in those first two films and their oil & water personalities crackle against one another in a unique and entertaining way. In Lethal Weapon 4, Riggs has become so watered down that the two are basically interchangeable and everything that made this series so distinctive has all but evaporated.

4. The Predator - Alien Vs. Predator

Alien Vs PredatorThere’s nothing worse than an event movie that makes false promises. When you call a film Alien Vs. Predator you expect to see the iconic characters from each of their respective franchises - but that’s not entirely what fanboys got when this Paul W.S. Anderson travesty hit theaters.In this film the lean, mean, and quick-witted predators from Predator and Predator 2 have been replaced by lumbering and awkward creatures that look more like linebackers than hunters. Fine, so they’re young warriors in training who’ve gained their freshman fifteen and this is some sort of rite of passage - but that’s not really what fans signed up for is it?AVP depicts the predators as being completely ineffective against the aliens until they locate their plasma casters - because if the Predator movies taught us anything it’s that these guys are useless without their guns…Then there’s the climax of the film where the last surviving Predator teams up with our heroine (Sanaa Lathan) and they form an alliance so that they can - wait, what?! Since when do these guys show compassion? It’s not like Predator ended with the creature patting Dutch on the back and saying, “Mud? That’s ingenious dude! Good game. You win.”Whatever reason exists to justify this characterization of the Predator, there’s no denying that it’s a severely neutered version of the character. The poster boldy proclaimed: "Whoever Wins, We Lose." No kidding.

3. Wolverine - X-Men Origins: Wolverine

X-Men Origins: Wolverine is a completely wasted opportunity. Here was a story perfectly suited for the Wolverine that comic book fans would recognize: unhinged, unpredictable, and unleashed. Not that we were expecting a nonstop orgy of blood and guts flying at the screen, but the worst part of the movie is that this pre-X-Men version of Wolverine is actually softer than the way he’s portrayed in the first two X-Men films.Somewhere deeply buried in this film is the idea that Wolverine and Sabretooth are cut from the same cloth - but while Sabretooth has embraced his animal instincts, Wolverine has learned to control them. Only, the movie never once makes that look like a struggle. There’s not a single moment where it looks like Wolverine might lose control and compromise his values. Even worse, we have no idea what it would look like if he did or why we should be scared of that.While Wolverine is arguably the most popular character from the comics, he’s not a leading man - and the movies should never have gone to such great lengths to make him one. At least in the first two movies he had the mystique of an unknown past. In detailing that past so ineptly, what X-Men Origins: Wolverine really teaches us is that the X-Men’s biggest badass has a lot more bark than bite.

2. Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker - the Star Wars prequels

Anakin SkywalkerOur thoughts on including Anakin were that this wasn’t a fair comparison because these films depict him before he became the badass we loved to hate to in the original trilogy. However, let us try and explain why his inclusion is so unique and completely justifiable.Unlike most of the other names on this list, Anakin’s characterization in these films is so downright awful that it actually has the power to affect future viewings of the original Star Wars trilogy. Some people can still watch episodes IV-VI the same way they did before 1999. But this writer is not one of them. It’s impossible for to look at Darth Vader now and not think that by demystifying one of the most badass characters in Star Wars mythology, they made him so much less interesting.George Lucas turned the Empire’s most badass enforcer into a giant baby in a suit of armor. The prequels don’t add another layer to the original trilogy or enhance the viewing experience in any way. Vader doesn’t become a richer nemesis - I still just see that sulky Jedi crying “Wah! It’s not fair!”It’s like the band geek from your high school who wound up being a successful lawyer or something. Yeah, he’s a hot shot now but you still remember when he ate his boogers and took his cousin to prom. So great, you can choke a guy without laying a hand on him and your voice is a lot more intimidating but guess what, Ani? Thanks to the prequels you’ll always be that boy I knew on Tatooine.

1. Batman/Bruce Wayne - Batman & Robin

Batman vs Batman & RobinJust look at that picture. Can you believe we went from one to the other in just four films? Batman started out as the last guy you’d ever want to meet in a dark alley and ended up some nut job covering his unmentionables in what looks like tin foil.There’s no discernible difference between Clooney’s portrayal of Bruce Wayne and Batman (an absolutely fundamental aspect of the character). When Keaton says "I'm Batman" I still get chills. Clooney introduces himself like he’s your neighbor from across the hall: “Hey, what’s up? I’m Batman from 6C… can I borrow your sugar?”Batman doesn’t need buckets of pathos to be effective, but oh baby did Schumacher take him to the other extreme. In Batman & Robin, he’s no longer a guy trying to work through the pain of his parents murder… he’s just some dude who loves throwing neon lights on all of his gadgets and making costume changes before the big third act battle.Quite frankly I don’t think you’ll find a more dramatic example on this list than George Clooney's Batman. It was a long eight years before Christopher Nolan started taking the character seriously again, but most fans would agree that films like Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were worth the wait. And hey, I don't think we have to worry about any close-ups of cod pieces in Nolan's Batman 3. Some things you can never unsee.

What do you think?

10 Badass Characters Neutered by Their SequelsSo there you have it, 10 badass character neutered by their sequels. It's a very sad thing - but seems to be almost inevitable when a movie franchise is milked for too many sequels.This is just our list... who would you put on yours?
TAGS: a nightmare on elm street, alien, batman, lethal weapon 5, mad max 4, predators, star wars, terminator, the wolverine, x-men


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  1. i just cant seem to muster up a comment for this thread…i’ll say this, after lethal weapon 2, youre dead on target. thunderdome for me was doomed from the start with a pg-13 rating. what about conan the destroyer?? how dumbed down was that one compared to the first one lol, it softened him up, in my opinion. total crap, as far as anakin, i think people woulda cared more if lucas actually hired an actor with talent to portray him, hayden was just god awful. well so much for me not being able to comment lol

    • what about blade 3!!! u forgot 1 of the biggest, worst screw-ups in movie history…..they destroyed this character big time……..i cant believe he didnt make the list….he should have been #2…….i cant be the only one that hated this movie!!!

      • You’re not alone. Blade 3 was absolutely horrible.

    • Nice article. I agree that Lethal Weapon 2 should have ended with Riggs dying and that’s what I always imagined happens after the credits roll. I mean come on, the dude got stabbed and then shot like 5 times. I’m curious though why the article only mentions LW4 when the third film is what really took the wind out of this franchises sails. LW3 was a decent action-comedy but it wasn’t a Lethal Weapon film, not by a long shot. That film neutered Riggs, the fourth film just just continued what was was already set-up in three.

      • I think that Stuart Wilson as the villian Jack Travis makes up for the beginning of the end of Martin Riggs.

        • It’s funny. I always laugh my ass off when he just walks right into the LAPD office and shoots two witnesses before they can be interrogated and then walks right out. That takes some ginormous balls but it’s one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen.

  2. terminator is a bad*ss

    • he was,till cameron humanized him in T2, still i love that movie, just have trouble watching it sometimes lol

      • Can’t really fault anyone for that. T2′s story called for Arnold to act that way. It was completely logical in the context of the story. I don’t agree on that one at all.

        • thats why i said cameron humanized him

          • Not sure if you don’t agree with the article or just the comment bc I did make a point of saying that while the character was “neutered” compared to his previous portrayal, T2 did it very, very right and T3 did it very, very wrong.

            • i see your point and while it is valid christopher, i alaways have issues with toned down characters, just isnt right in my book, right, or wrong

            • That’s not fair, because T3 did everything wrong, but the special effects.

  3. o and jason lol

  4. Alec Guinness didn’t want to reprise his role in SW sequels either, and his character was killed off in the first one. But the joke was on him…
    “George, what do you mean, ghost?”

  5. The caption under the predator is epic… but “Exhibit A”? That made me vomit a little in my mouth, I remember that part of the movie, and I havent had a good night sleep since…

  6. OMG. I am so amazed of how amazingly stupid Batman and Robin was dude. Dang.

  7. Don’t agree with the Anakin one, just don’t agree with it all.

    • Totally respect that. I expect a lot of people to disagree with that choice. Did you enjoy the prequels or are you saying you can still enjoy the OT regardless of them?

    • dont agree with my rant about “annie” sam?

    • ME neither! He was pretty freakin’ badass in III

  8. Do your research on Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, then rewrite this. If you knew that the script was inspired by a discussion about quantum physics, it’s a brilliant movie. It makes absolutely perfect sense in every way if you understand the concept behind it. If not, then it won’t seem in line with the others, especially if you’re expecting the same old stuff. I’d have preferred this over a re-hashing of Road Warrior anyways. It seemed like a logical progression to me.

    • I’m aware of Thunderdome’s development and I’m not changing a word. I said I enjoyed a lot of the film and gave it credit for doing something new. This article has to do with Max’s characterization and not the film’s concept.

  9. I agree with all these, but I would add Godzilla.
    “He” went from a nuclear menace to saving mankind. I’m of course talking about the Showa era.

    • lol

  10. Personally, I enjoyed Batman Forever. Maybe that’s because I grew up with it. But Jim Carrey made that movie enjoyable. He was fantastic as The Riddler. And George Cloonet, in my opinion, could have been great as Batman.

    I also enjoyed the Star Wars prequels but that might be because I wasn’t alive when any of the originals came out.

    Also, I love all of the Lethal Weapons lol. I though the 4th was good.

    I guess I’m just not as harsh a critic as some people though haha

    • i guess growing up in different times, validates different views and opinions lol

      • That is one of the most intelligent observations that I have ever read.

        • i think Clooney was the best Bruce wayne to date, but obviously the WORST Batman EVER !

          best Bats IMO was Bale in BB(2003).
          best Wayne Clooney.
          Best Embodies batman/wayne Kevin Conroy.
          Best Bat-suit BB.
          worst Bat suit Bats & ambiguisly Gay b..errr i mean robin.
          Best Alfred harold gouth Burton’s bats(’89).
          Best Joker Mark Hamill.

          all IMO.

          • Best Batman= Michael Keaton

  11. To me the only interesting thing about the SW prequels was Anakin’s journey to the Dark side. He murdered a whole village while he was a young man, which should put him on a higher peg than crybaby-complainer.

    • i thought that was ineresting as well, just cant get past the bad acting of Hayden.

      • @IntelliQ- What I’m saying is that things like that or killing younglings in the temple would have had so much more impact and been so much more devastating to watch if there’d been some sort of connection to the character prior to that. I never felt anything for that character so they could have had him doing any number of terrible things and it still wouldn’t have had any gravity to it- at least not for me.

        • I felt a little bit for Anakin when he was burning alive, but I’m already bored by the time it gets to that scene.

          • I too felt a little for Anakin as he was fried, but only because Ewan McGregor really pulled out the big guns when he yelled, “You were the Chosen One!” etc. That is the best scene out of all three prequels… I think it’s less than a minute long. :)

        • What would have helped make the connection? If you say a better actor I’m down with it. I wasnt fond of whoever that kid was, but he did seem at times to exude a nasty attitude.
          Im no big fan of Star Wars and dont even remember the names of the series. I liked the very first one made called Star Wars, and the “last one” where Anakin turns. The others were boring filler.
          (I mispoke when I implied that the “series” was interesting, I just meant the last one)

          • A better actor would have worked beautifully. Personally, I always thought James Franco was much better suited to play Anakin.

            What Chris is saying is that if we had had an Anakin like Luke Skywalker who struggled, but was still at the core was a good guy, it would have created a better emotional response when it came time for the final lure to the Dark Side to be cast. Instead of his decision feeling like the conclusion to a journey that we already knew was coming, it’s the feeling of betrayal. I wanted to feel like Anakin betrayed me when he chose to follow the Dark Side, which never did happen. That’s the sort of connection that was lacking in The Prequel Trilogy.

            • i actually agree with u on franco, evan.

    • I think the prequels shouldn’t have been made, and that’s the main reason why. It was better when the whole thing was a mystery. Hollywood needs to learn a little concept called LESS IS MORE. The less we know about a character, the more impact it has. We don’t need to know how Anakin became Vader, we don’t need to know the origin of the Alien, we didn’t need to see the Weapon X program in Wolverine. Just think how bad it would be if Nolan gave The Joker a back story. Thankfully Nolan is smarter than that.

      • @Matt Keith

        Im going to have to disagree with the Joker back story comment,Matt.I think it was best to keep the back story out of the movie b/c of the many storylines he had to address that carried over from Batman Begins.I agree he should have kept it out of TDK,but it would have made an interesting film on its own.The Joker back story by Nolan and Heath Ledger starring again in it could have been epic.Give the movie an R rating and allow it to lead into the bank robbery sequence at the beginning of TDK,after us seeing his story would have been amazing.

        The best thing about it is that Joker really doesnt have an official origin.He just has multiple tells by authors who give him a back story.It pretty much was an open playground for Nolan and Ledger to have played in.

  12. “If you knew that the script was inspired by a discussion about quantum physics, it’s a brilliant movie”

    Wow, I don’t even know where to start with how wrong that statement is. I will just leave it at this; no one should ever have to do homework about the pre-production of a movie to enjoy it.

  13. “No one really cares what’s inside the Temple of Doom or where the Holy Grail is hidden, they just want to go on another adventure with Indiana Jones.” thats exacly why i enjoyed the last Indy film, as silly as some parts were..and its why i get so frustrated at toned down characters

  14. “The real Han Solo never came out of that carbonite.” — I like that.

    • that is a classic line isnt it lol

    • That line sums up all my feelings about Han Solo in “Return of the Jedi.” I cracked up as I read it…

  15. When I saw this list, I thought to myself “I hope that Vader’s number 1.” Of course, I think that Vader’s potential had always gone unused by Lucas, even in the original films.

    In the first movie, Vader was getting bossed around Grand Moff Tarkin, and Vader took it without force chocking the guy out.
    In the second movie, I never liked it that Luke not only held his own against Vader, but appeared to have the upper hand at several points in their battle. Darth Vader should have been the Jedi badass to end all Jedi badasses, and a rookie was beating him in a lightsaber duel.
    Finally, in the third film, Vader spends the entire movie up to his redemption as the little more than the Emperor’s sniveling goon. Also, Luke does not seem t have all that much trouble defeating him in the end.

    You’re very right about the prequels. Oddly enough, the worst movie in the entire series (The Phantom Menace) is the only one that actually comes close to making the character’s fate seem tragic. If they had kept the pattern, and made him more heroic in the other prequels, his fall may have been more poignant.

    • Luke wasn’t winning Vader was playing with him by fighting with one hand. If you notice in 4 and 6 when Vader is serious about killing someone in a duel he holds a lightsaber with both hands.

      • That’s part of it, though – Vader should be able to take on 3 Lukes with one hand.

        Maybe my expectations of Vader are just too high, though. Plus, the fact that it’s his son probably has a lot to do with it. If he were taking on 3 Jedi’s at Luke’s level with no connection to himself, he’d probably be able to easily defeat them all with one hand.

        • I always thought it was just that Vader was getting old and the stress of the Darkside was taking it’s toll on his damaged body, which was the reason the Emporer wanted Luke to replace him. I also always thought Luke was near equivalent to his father in raw power in the Force.

          As always I look forward to being corrected by people quoting from rare and overlooked sources :)

  16. Good article…
    What about sequels where the original character is so exaggerated that it loses all it’s bad*ss-ness. Example – Blade II – Whislter MUST give Blade his sunglasses so he can go fight the last bad guy. It should be awesome, but instead it’s just cheesy.

  17. I would like to have seen Riddick added to this list. He goes from being a “bad Mother f*cker” to some sort of super hero/sole survivor of a lost race. and the director’s cut make it all the worse

    • victim of a toned down pg-13 sequel my friend:)

  18. IMO, Terminator 2 and 3 shouldn’t be in there. Taking a minigun to a bunch of cop cars (2) and landing a giant helicopter on a robo-b**** (3) seem very badass to me :)

    And even though the AVP’s weren’t any good, the Predators in them were still pretty BA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrqSCn0sBPw

  19. I disagree with the Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker bit 100%. If we were to include the prequels, then you should say he was a wuss UNTIL he was “fully” Darth Vader. Even in Return when he threw the Emperor over the railing, he was a badass.

    I disagree with the Terminator- yes- even the third movie. Yes, the T-800/850 was reprogrammed to protect, but Terminator was still a badass.

    I disagree with Mad Max (he didn’t take crap from the kids and wanted to stay in a paradise with fresh water and the crops; even a bad ass would think, options= go out into a wasteland or stay in an oasis?), Han Solo (he still used his sharp wit and could shoot a Scarllac while blind)

    I disagrre with Freddy. To a point. He was still badass in Freddy 2 I thought and in 3 his bones took no crap)

    BUT not to worry
    You have fully redeemed yourself with Batman. I have always held the thought that the Clooney suit (above) was a smoking gun; if Triumphant had been made, I think the silver would be the new gray, and it would look more and more like a hi-tech version of the Adam West TV costume.

    I would also say Shoemaker neutered Batman. Hence, there something was put in to compensate for something lacking.

    As far as Wolverine goes? Until he gets his claws, he really isn’t much of a badass. You are right. But I think part of that film- which was good but not great- suffered from the fact that at least four characters would fight another day, thus, suspense is lowered. Still…Wolverine isn’t a total washout. After all…”How about if I take your — head off? See if that works”. Must count for something.

    Now, on for my shocking list to take the place of those I disagreed with:

    - Snake Plissken in Escape From LA.
    In the original film, Plissken was given a drug that would cause his neck veins to explode. The charges could be stopped when his task was done. In the sequel, they gave him a different drug which made him sick with the flu, thus causing him not to be as effective in his task.

    - Blade in Blade: Trinity
    I still like the film, but when the intention is have the Nightstalkers hog up the time and have Blade be a side character, it isn’t a good thing.

    - you say Predators; at least the recent film corrected that AvP mess. (Hey, the original Preds have a code of honor; its the bunch who are without honor and are too overconfident who have superior badass) But…. what about The Aliens? AvP (and some of Alien Res) messed them up too. Hopefully that will be fixed up in the near future.

    - JOSHUA the supercomputer from WarGames becomes (along with Professor Falken) a peon in the DTV “WarGames 2″.

    - Pinhead/Cenobites from Hellraisers 3 on down.

    - The T Rex in Jurassic Park III. That says it all.

    Now on a kinder note: the following characters have yet to lose badassness or have been redeemed without reboots and remakes:

    - Ash Williams.

    - Yoda.

    - The Firefly clan, specifically Otis

    - Luc Deveroux, Universal Soldier (redemption in the DTV Regeneration)

    • plisskin was still no nonsense in LA

  20. RAMBO!! They should’ve let him commit suicide in the end of the first movie like in the book — would’ve made a great movie an amazing movie then. But come on… the whole bow and arrow thing became a bit much. What made him such a badass in the first movie was his ability to overcome convincingly with inferior firepower but superior tactics, not grenade-arrows.

    • he was still badass without the grenade-tipped arrows…..

      • True — probably doesn’t fit the criteria of nuetered, but perhaps domesticated.

        • Rambo is the definition of badass!!! What are you talking about?!?!?!?! lol

        • The guy punched someone’s head off in the last Rambo movie… How is that “domesticated” ? Lol.

  21. Haha i love this list…..

    • any insights ricky18?

  22. Anthony
    well i agree about freddy and batman….not sure about the rest,but y is milo on that pic?!? Isnt that the dog from the mask?!? Anyways,if u were to make a list how would it go Anthony?!?

    • about the same with a whole lot more haha

  23. Youre a guy of little words,ive noticed that LOL!!!

    • well when i do make a post i try to make it memorable lol

  24. Like that one u just did lol! Cuz it is memorable…..

  25. My number 1 bad*ss that was wimpifiwd is Neo. From unstoppable at the end of The Matrix to getting cut by nobodies in part 2. Dissapointing. And I can’t agree more with darren j seeley about Yoda and the t-Rex. Yoda was totally emasculated in ep. 5 (Duku) and 6 (Sidious). Pitiful.

  26. Guys CHUCKY should be on this list!!!!

    • or tackleberry from the police academy movies….

  27. While there’s no denying that what Shoemaker did to the Batman image is about as disrespectful a ‘smack the audience upside the head and then spit in their face’ action as you can get, Freddy Krugers demise is easily the most drastic and here’s why.

    I remember people running out of the theater screaming when NIGHTMARE first came out. It was the talk of the school and you heard rumors about people pissing in their pants. Even thought the pants things were probably just rumors when is the last time since NIGHTMARE 1 have you heard people even hint a rumor of an audience being this scared during a film?

    • It hit me as I hit the SUBMIT button that in fact a movie has just recently come out that scared folks, paranormal activity. That being said it was a long time between NIGHTMARE 1 and when another film was as effectively scary.

      • its Schumacher lol. and yeah how does a guy go from the lost boys, which i loved, to totally butchering an iconic comic book character

  28. Hayden is just a small part of the absolute failure of the prequels, but that’s not the subject of this thread. :) He was brilliant in “Life as a House” and I was expecting a good performance based on that. Of course, it didn’t happen. With George Lucas directing, a poor script, partial sets, and 90% of the performance taking place in front of blue and green screens, NONE of the performances ended up as good as they should. I’ll never forgive George for that, but that’s okay. That’s what fan edits are for. As far as the neutering of the character, I couldn’t agree more. He went from mysterious evil agent turned tragic, to a whiny-ass little brat. Absolutely terrible. It’s best to stick with the Original Trilogy and pretend the prequels never happened. The nightmares do subside with time. :)

  29. I disagree with Aliens Vs. Predator…I thought it was pretty badass that the Predator and the woman teamed up at the end. It wasnt far fetched because it happened in the comics long before Predator 2 even came out. And aside from it being PG 13 it wasnt terrible…if anything it added to the Predator Mythos (I mean who dident think it was cool to find out that the reason the aztecs or mayans dissapeared was because of Predators).

    While Yeah they may have been clunky, i wouldent expect all Predators to be fast just as i wouldent expect all black men to be MJ in basketball or Asian Men to be good with Math.

    Aliens Vs. Predator requiem…now that was a total disaster.

    • LOL, I’m probably the only one who absolutely loved AVP:R.