Sequels are definitely a mixed bag in terms of quality, but one of their advantages is an audience’s immediate connection and empathy towards a familiar and (hopefully) beloved character. No one really cares what’s inside the Temple of Doom or where the Holy Grail is hidden, they just want to go on another adventure with Indiana Jones.
Our interest and investment in these characters and their worlds often percolates in the years (or sometimes decades) between installments, and the opportunity to revisit them is often greeted with unmatched fervor - which makes it enormously disappointing as you watch a film unfold and realize that while the character on the big screen may look and sound the way you remember, something is... missing.
Characters originally depicted as being total badasses are often hit hardest in this regard. The problem is easily diagnosed: They’ve lost their edge, and the qualities that made them such badasses initially have been severely diluted. Metaphorically speaking, they’ve been neutered.
I agree with you about Anakin. I would add that we really don’t see him become evil as much as we see six hours of toy advertisement with fifteen minutes of him becoming disfigured and being stuffed into a suit. What I wanted to see was a gradual “seduction,” a choice on Anakin’s part to slowly become evil, perhaps for the power and prestige it offered. The suit really serving as a symbolic “death” and his being cut off from life. I even imagined Luke’s mother as a women swept up in this, but deciding to run away from it for the sake of her children.
But I’m someone who can sort of still watch the originals. To me his history is contained in the few enigmatic lines of dialogue, and then in my imagination formed in the years between the original trilogy and the prequels. I guess mostly I just don’t trust the storyteller (Lucas) the way I wholeheartedly did so for many years. That affects my viewing.
What we see if Ani whining for 2 whole movies about how hes so powerful and its not fair that everyone recognizes. Hayden Christen you are a terrible actor yes, but I still place blame on Lucas for oking your casting and then not only letting him act like a b**** the whole time, but I suspect Lucas was actually directing him to act like that.
Lucas is an amazing STORY and EFFECTS film maker. I just wish he realized he can’t direct, and he certainly should never be writing the scripts. Awful dialogue, painful, even in the Original, thank god for Irvin Kersner.
Who Lucas effectively screwed over for the rest of his life, and claimed he wasnt a good director.
Is it even possible for someone to have that much of a disconnect? What is widely regarded as the best Star Wars movie, Lucas himself says is his least favorite.
It’s sad to look at Alien: Resurrection and know what Joss Wheddon wrote wasn’t translated to screen properly. If you can find the screenplay online I highly suggest reading it.
Sorry for the randomness. I can feel the sun (nice and warm) I also see the sun (nice and bright) but what dose the sun sound like???? Dose it rumble and rock in a nice melodic and ryhmic hum or does it (and more than likely destroy your speakers in the process) crack,bang a have (quiet literally) the most earth shattering and unprodictalbe bass note ever?? Just syn….. “Let me hear the sun” ; p.s having a cold + to many cold antidotes= a very active mind, acthoooo!!
Good list. Very true on all counts, really. Though if you were going to add another, I’d say Johnny Depp’s Jack Sparrow.
Granted, he was always flamboyant, and perhaps even slightly gay, but in the first film he was at least mysterious and unpredictable – and he was always a man with a plan. He was always scheming, always coming up with ulterior motives, and you never quite knew what he was thinking at any given moment or if he was going to stab you in the back. That’s what made him so fun and eve cool. He was quirky and even bizarre at times, sure, but at core he could still turn around and be this tricky, self-serving, and even dangerous character. He was a PIRATE, and in the Curse of the Black Pearl, that word still meant someone you didn’t want to get too friendly with. In many ways he was the Han Solo of the PotC franchise.
But then enter Dead Man’s Chest, and subsequent sequels. Jack has the Pearl back, and it’s like that suddenly strips him of his balls. Now Jack is played almost entirely for comic effect, unless of course he’s doing something heroically out-of-character. Mind you, this last part really only starts in At World’s End, since in Dead Man’s Chest he was still kind of a slimeball throughout (and good on him for it), but by the time we get to On Stranger Tides, Jack is just this sort of goofy parody of his original self, and what’s more, he’s played as the hero of the films.
The fact is, Jack Sparrow was never the hero. He was never really the leading man. Just like Wolverine and Han Solo, both of whom made this list, he was interesting because he WAS kind of unpredictable and even “bad” at times, and because he WASN’T the protagonist. When they started to make that shift in him because they knew he was the most popular character in the franchise, his character ceased to be the pirate we all fell for in the first installment.
I disagree completely about Alien: Resurrection. Ellen Ripley went through hell 3 times and died. PERIOD. The hybrid creature in Resurrection IS NOT Ripley, it is something else entirely. Ellen Ripley is dead, she died 200 years ago. This is a film more about the scientists finally getting what they wanted from the first movie. Sure it wasn’t Weyland-Yutani, but it answers questions, like, what would the people who want the aliens actually do with them once they had them? Also this Xeno-Ripley #8 is a conflicted individual as if two entities are co-existing in the same flesh. I feel it was an incredible breath of fresh air to this series, and a fine conclusion indeed! People can hate it all they want, call it non-canon and what have you. I own it, I love it, and I’ll watch it with pleasure.
How is wolverine not a leading man? I’m confused how you come to that conclusion especially since much like he got his own movie he has his own comics. Heck he has more than one of his own comics he spawned in to several solo franchises that have all been fairly successful. They have been good even some times surpassing X-men Comics them selves.
hannibal lecter in hannibal rising, granted the actor chosen to replace hopkins is no hopkins but still. he wasnt the bad guy here just some good anti hero out for revenge and killing guys that are badder than him
Put Danny Glover (or ‘one character’ Joe Pesci) into anything and it immediately sucks. Danny was lucky to have Mel Gibson in the first Lethal Weapon movie to cover his ineptitude.
A watered-down Riggs wasn’t as much of a cover-up in the sequels, and don’t even get me started on the joke that was the second Predator movie. “Inept, over-weight, average intelligence, middle-age cop defeats (on his own ship) a God-like, high-tech, massive, warrior alien who just destroyed a whole Army ‘kill team’.”
Just a bit too over-the-top, even for a Sci-fi movie.
Anyway, other than putting that one a bit ahead of the rest, I’d say you were spot on. I was never so disgusted with George Lucas as I was when he basically destroyed the Star Wars series with his choice of pathetic actors. Without Hayden Christensen, Natalie Portman, and yes, little Jake Lloyd (who was like a little robot Hayden Cristensen), I think the prequels might have survived even Jar-Jar Binks (barely), however that pathetic, wooden acting, coupled with zero on-screen Chemistry and mega-flat dialog, was enough to finish off even the best of ideas and bury the Star Wars saga six parsecs under.
dang, what da hell is wrong wit u pplz??! anakin wasn’t that bad! he gave depth to darth vader. his character development was believable & relatable to teen audiences & others who fall under that similar stereotype/category or whatever u wanna call it. maybe u guys should watch some youtube videos that really capture his fall & how it all ties up at the end w/ his redemption after joining the dark side. just type up “anakin’s requiem” or anything of that sort. u’ll see. there’s more than just “a whiny little boy stuck in a man’s body/suit of armor.” and i applaud hayden christen for his acting performance & yes george lucas directed him to act that way. it’s all in the bonus feature on the dvd if u haven’t seen it.
i totally agree w/ wolverine & jack sparrow. esp batman (no need to explain that one). wolverine was just a softie as u said, not very animal-like as he was supposed to be. jack sparrow just became a joke as the series progressed.
but martin riggs’ lost touch was acceptable for me. one, because his character was aging. two, it’s all part of his character development going from being “crazy riggs” to a more mature & stable cop. his suicidal tendencies were all due to his loneliness, but that void was soon filled by his cop partner murtagh when he became part of the family. and in reply to the other column on “no lethal weapon 5″, i think we can all agree that it’s for the best. there’s nothing more to add to his character. martin riggs has settled down just like bruce wayne & rocky balboa.
Batman is truly an “idea that can’t be destroyed.” He seems to fully survive any attempt to trivialize him.
I agree with you about Anakin. I would add that we really don’t see him become evil as much as we see six hours of toy advertisement with fifteen minutes of him becoming disfigured and being stuffed into a suit. What I wanted to see was a gradual “seduction,” a choice on Anakin’s part to slowly become evil, perhaps for the power and prestige it offered. The suit really serving as a symbolic “death” and his being cut off from life. I even imagined Luke’s mother as a women swept up in this, but deciding to run away from it for the sake of her children.
But I’m someone who can sort of still watch the originals. To me his history is contained in the few enigmatic lines of dialogue, and then in my imagination formed in the years between the original trilogy and the prequels. I guess mostly I just don’t trust the storyteller (Lucas) the way I wholeheartedly did so for many years. That affects my viewing.
What we see if Ani whining for 2 whole movies about how hes so powerful and its not fair that everyone recognizes. Hayden Christen you are a terrible actor yes, but I still place blame on Lucas for oking your casting and then not only letting him act like a b**** the whole time, but I suspect Lucas was actually directing him to act like that.
Lucas is an amazing STORY and EFFECTS film maker. I just wish he realized he can’t direct, and he certainly should never be writing the scripts. Awful dialogue, painful, even in the Original, thank god for Irvin Kersner.
Who Lucas effectively screwed over for the rest of his life, and claimed he wasnt a good director.
Is it even possible for someone to have that much of a disconnect? What is widely regarded as the best Star Wars movie, Lucas himself says is his least favorite.
Idiot.
It’s not the six or seven hours of the prequels whining so much as that one scene where Ani is finally Darth.
“Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo”
I was wasn’t sure whether to cry or throw up a little in my mouth.
Couldn’t agree more especially on Terminator 3,Alien vs.Predator and Batman with one exception Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker.
Yep
ay yo this list is NOT complete without CHUDs… Bud the CHUD was a joke of a character compared to the original CHUDs… just sayin’
That headline pic with the dog just cracks me up.
It’s sad to look at Alien: Resurrection and know what Joss Wheddon wrote wasn’t translated to screen properly. If you can find the screenplay online I highly suggest reading it.
There is no reason for this to be in a slideshow format. Terrible for reading, reeks of pageview mining.
Sorry for the randomness. I can feel the sun (nice and warm) I also see the sun (nice and bright) but what dose the sun sound like???? Dose it rumble and rock in a nice melodic and ryhmic hum or does it (and more than likely destroy your speakers in the process) crack,bang a have (quiet literally) the most earth shattering and unprodictalbe bass note ever?? Just syn….. “Let me hear the sun” ; p.s having a cold + to many cold antidotes= a very active mind, acthoooo!!
Ace Ventura. He kicks ass in the first film and then gets smacked around in the second.
Good list. Very true on all counts, really. Though if you were going to add another, I’d say Johnny Depp’s Jack Sparrow.
Granted, he was always flamboyant, and perhaps even slightly gay, but in the first film he was at least mysterious and unpredictable – and he was always a man with a plan. He was always scheming, always coming up with ulterior motives, and you never quite knew what he was thinking at any given moment or if he was going to stab you in the back. That’s what made him so fun and eve cool. He was quirky and even bizarre at times, sure, but at core he could still turn around and be this tricky, self-serving, and even dangerous character. He was a PIRATE, and in the Curse of the Black Pearl, that word still meant someone you didn’t want to get too friendly with. In many ways he was the Han Solo of the PotC franchise.
But then enter Dead Man’s Chest, and subsequent sequels. Jack has the Pearl back, and it’s like that suddenly strips him of his balls. Now Jack is played almost entirely for comic effect, unless of course he’s doing something heroically out-of-character. Mind you, this last part really only starts in At World’s End, since in Dead Man’s Chest he was still kind of a slimeball throughout (and good on him for it), but by the time we get to On Stranger Tides, Jack is just this sort of goofy parody of his original self, and what’s more, he’s played as the hero of the films.
The fact is, Jack Sparrow was never the hero. He was never really the leading man. Just like Wolverine and Han Solo, both of whom made this list, he was interesting because he WAS kind of unpredictable and even “bad” at times, and because he WASN’T the protagonist. When they started to make that shift in him because they knew he was the most popular character in the franchise, his character ceased to be the pirate we all fell for in the first installment.
I disagree completely about Alien: Resurrection. Ellen Ripley went through hell 3 times and died. PERIOD. The hybrid creature in Resurrection IS NOT Ripley, it is something else entirely. Ellen Ripley is dead, she died 200 years ago. This is a film more about the scientists finally getting what they wanted from the first movie. Sure it wasn’t Weyland-Yutani, but it answers questions, like, what would the people who want the aliens actually do with them once they had them? Also this Xeno-Ripley #8 is a conflicted individual as if two entities are co-existing in the same flesh. I feel it was an incredible breath of fresh air to this series, and a fine conclusion indeed! People can hate it all they want, call it non-canon and what have you. I own it, I love it, and I’ll watch it with pleasure.
How is wolverine not a leading man? I’m confused how you come to that conclusion especially since much like he got his own movie he has his own comics. Heck he has more than one of his own comics he spawned in to several solo franchises that have all been fairly successful. They have been good even some times surpassing X-men Comics them selves.
ill also include rambo and rocky,
ill include rocky 2-5 and rambo 2 and 3.
hannibal lecter in hannibal rising, granted the actor chosen to replace hopkins is no hopkins but still. he wasnt the bad guy here just some good anti hero out for revenge and killing guys that are badder than him
Put Danny Glover (or ‘one character’ Joe Pesci) into anything and it immediately sucks. Danny was lucky to have Mel Gibson in the first Lethal Weapon movie to cover his ineptitude.
A watered-down Riggs wasn’t as much of a cover-up in the sequels, and don’t even get me started on the joke that was the second Predator movie. “Inept, over-weight, average intelligence, middle-age cop defeats (on his own ship) a God-like, high-tech, massive, warrior alien who just destroyed a whole Army ‘kill team’.”
Just a bit too over-the-top, even for a Sci-fi movie.
Anyway, other than putting that one a bit ahead of the rest, I’d say you were spot on. I was never so disgusted with George Lucas as I was when he basically destroyed the Star Wars series with his choice of pathetic actors. Without Hayden Christensen, Natalie Portman, and yes, little Jake Lloyd (who was like a little robot Hayden Cristensen), I think the prequels might have survived even Jar-Jar Binks (barely), however that pathetic, wooden acting, coupled with zero on-screen Chemistry and mega-flat dialog, was enough to finish off even the best of ideas and bury the Star Wars saga six parsecs under.
dang, what da hell is wrong wit u pplz??! anakin wasn’t that bad! he gave depth to darth vader. his character development was believable & relatable to teen audiences & others who fall under that similar stereotype/category or whatever u wanna call it. maybe u guys should watch some youtube videos that really capture his fall & how it all ties up at the end w/ his redemption after joining the dark side. just type up “anakin’s requiem” or anything of that sort. u’ll see. there’s more than just “a whiny little boy stuck in a man’s body/suit of armor.” and i applaud hayden christen for his acting performance & yes george lucas directed him to act that way. it’s all in the bonus feature on the dvd if u haven’t seen it.
i totally agree w/ wolverine & jack sparrow. esp batman (no need to explain that one). wolverine was just a softie as u said, not very animal-like as he was supposed to be. jack sparrow just became a joke as the series progressed.
but martin riggs’ lost touch was acceptable for me. one, because his character was aging. two, it’s all part of his character development going from being “crazy riggs” to a more mature & stable cop. his suicidal tendencies were all due to his loneliness, but that void was soon filled by his cop partner murtagh when he became part of the family. and in reply to the other column on “no lethal weapon 5″, i think we can all agree that it’s for the best. there’s nothing more to add to his character. martin riggs has settled down just like bruce wayne & rocky balboa.